Motoring Discussion > Tyres / ice rink demo.	Miscellaneous
Thread Author: Old Navy	Replies: 36

Fri 20 Jan 12 08:27   Tyres / ice rink demo. - Old Navy

The BBC did a "Cold car" piece this morning. Part of it was summer v winter tyres on an ice rink. It demonstrated that winter tyres had marginally better grip, but nothing an experienced driver could not manage without ABS, TC, ESC etc. What is so important that Joe and Joanna public must drive on sheet ice anyway? Last edited by: Old Navy on Fri 20 Jan 12 at 08:29 Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 20 Jan 12 08:36   Tyres / ice rink demo. - Zero

Probably sponsored by the tyre companies, in an attempt to drum up interest in winter tyres, in this the warmest winter since records began. I knew I should have listed to the woolly mammoths on here and bought a set. Yeah - right. Reply to this message | Report message       2

Fri 20 Jan 12 08:41   Tyres / ice rink demo. - NortonES2

Winter is not over yet. Remember 1947..... Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 20 Jan 12 08:45   Tyres / ice rink demo. - Zero

alas no I dont. nor do you. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 20 Jan 12 08:51   Tyres / ice rink demo. - Old Navy

Winter tyres must be a marketing triumph in the UK. :-) Any Eskimos want a fridge? Last edited by: Old Navy on Fri 20 Jan 12 at 08:52 Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 20 Jan 12 08:52   Tyres / ice rink demo. - Clk Sec

>>I knew I should have listed to the woolly mammoths on here and bought a set. :-) Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 20 Jan 12 09:05   Tyres / ice rink demo. - NortonES2

To Zero. I was there, but unaware due to extreme youth. But the records show the snow fall. Don't be disagreeable and obtuse. Last edited by: NortonES2 on Fri 20 Jan 12 at 09:06 Reply to this message | Report message       3

Fri 20 Jan 12 09:14   Tyres / ice rink demo. - Zero

I was not being disagreeable or obtuse. I clearly see you asking us to remember the winter of 1947 when A: I was not born so I cant remember it. B: you were to young to know so you cant remember it C: it was an event not repeated in the last 65 years. I am sorry you thought it was a definitive statement that could not be challenged, discussed or remarked upon. Maybe next time you could make that clear? I apologise in advance if you find this obtuse or disagreeable, I tried hard not to make it so, but if you find it such, never mind I am sure it wont ruin your day. Reply to this message | Report message       7

Fri 20 Jan 12 09:35   Tyres / ice rink demo. - NortonES2

Item C is a different issue. But you were disagreeable and obtuse. Reply to this message | Report message       3

Fri 20 Jan 12 10:16   Tyres / ice rink demo. - Clk Sec

Zero vs Nil. An unlikely combination for disharmony. Reply to this message | Report message       1

Fri 20 Jan 12 16:05   Tyres / ice rink demo. - Zero

>> Zero vs Nil. An unlikely combination for disharmony. It will amount to nothing. Reply to this message | Report message       1

Fri 20 Jan 12 16:10   Tyres / ice rink demo. - Old Navy

>> >> Zero vs Nil. An unlikely combination for disharmony. >> >> It will amount to nothing. >> He is arguing with himself, its called attention seeking. :-) Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 20 Jan 12 16:47   Tyres / ice rink demo. - Pat

At least he doesn't argue with me anymore! Maybe he knows he's met his match;) *heads for the door* Pat Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 20 Jan 12 17:03   Tyres / ice rink demo. - Zero

Wow, such bravery Pat, ever thought of a career at sea? you would make a good captain of an Italian cruise ship. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 20 Jan 12 17:04   Tyres / ice rink demo. - Pat

Yes, but I know you don't mean it really Z, you're an old softie at heart! Pat Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 20 Jan 12 11:09   Tyres / ice rink demo. - Dog

= = = > >> How many times will someone disagree with Z in the course of a week? Small wager there Iffy? I say None, starting now? Till This time next week? you prepared to put your reputation on the line? < = = = :-) Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 20 Jan 12 11:14   Tyres / ice rink demo. - Iffy

...How many times will someone disagree with Z in the course of a week?... He'd have stood more chance if the question was: "How many times will someone bother to disagree with Z in the course of a week?" Reply to this message | Report message       1

Fri 20 Jan 12 12:23   Tyres / ice rink demo. - Zero

Is there a wager on or not? Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 20 Jan 12 10:30   Tyres / ice rink demo. - Bromptonaut

>> To Zero. I was there, but unaware due to extreme youth. But the records show >> the snow fall. Don't be disagreeable and obtuse. I suspect Z was being ironic I don't remember 1947 either. Along with the war and the general strike it was discussed enough that I was aware from a young age. It didn't start until January. 1963 and 1979 got going a bit sooner but both saw freezing and blizzards well into March. Reply to this message | Report message       1

Fri 20 Jan 12 08:56   Tyres / ice rink demo. - Dog

Anybody wanna buy 50 bags o' Taybrite, going cheep, cheep? Oh, and I'll throw in a set of winter tyres as well. :D Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 20 Jan 12 12:22   Tyres / ice rink demo. - Zero

>> Anybody wanna buy 50 bags o' Taybrite, going cheep, cheep? >> >> Oh, and I'll throw in a set of winter tyres as well. >> >> :D No thanks, got no use for them. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 20 Jan 12 08:57   Tyres / ice rink demo. - Duncan

>> The BBC did a "Cold car" piece this morning. Part of it was summer v >> winter tyres on an ice rink. It demonstrated that winter tyres had marginally better grip, >> Remarkably unscientific! Were the speeds the same? Was the cornering angle the same? were all tyres correctly inflated? What were they trying to prove? That winter tyres (why does the spellcheck show that tyres is spelt incorrectly? I haven't got it set to American - have I?) are better on sheet ice than summer tyres? Well; there's a surprise! Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 20 Jan 12 13:47   Tyres / ice rink demo. - Bill Payer

I've seen complaints on PistonHeads that people set off on a frosty morning on their usual route to work having fitted winter tyres and were unimpressed that they had to back off a few tenths from their normal ten tenths driving style! What on earth do these people expect?! Last edited by: Bill Payer on Fri 20 Jan 12 at 13:48 Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 20 Jan 12 13:53   Tyres / ice rink demo. - sooty123

Well that's PH for you, everyday seems to be a race to work for some of them. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 20 Jan 12 15:46   Tyres / ice rink demo. - Boxsterboy

Pointless piece of TV. No tyre will be any good on sheet ice unless it has spikes/studs, which are illegal on tarmac. They should have done the comparison on snow, when the benefits of winter tyres are clear and genuine - see the BMW video on Autocar's website. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 20 Jan 12 16:20   Tyres / ice rink demo. - Lygonos

As alluded to by Zero - Where's the snow??? Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 20 Jan 12 16:29   Tyres / ice rink demo. - Bromptonaut

>> As alluded to by Zero - Where's the snow??? Absent so far at least in England. But as 1947 and other severe winters (63,79 etc) prove we're not out of the wood until March at least. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 20 Jan 12 16:43   Tyres / ice rink demo. - Lygonos

I'm selling 'metorite retardant' hoods for cars if anyone's interested. Reply to this message | Report message       1

Fri 20 Jan 12 17:22   Tyres / ice rink demo. - henry k

>> >> As alluded to by Zero - Where's the snow??? >> >> Absent so far at least in England. But as 1947 and other severe winters (63,79 >> etc) prove we're not out of the wood until March at least. >> In 1978 in Zeroland area we had significant snow in late April. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 20 Jan 12 17:25   Tyres / ice rink demo. - Pat

It's been raining here non stop since I got up at 3.30am. Pat Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 20 Jan 12 17:42   Tyres / ice rink demo. - Old Navy

>> It's been raining here non stop since I got up at 3.30am. >> >> Pat >> Ah, the next marketing ploy. Wet weather tyres! Last edited by: Old Navy on Fri 20 Jan 12 at 17:43 Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 20 Jan 12 17:54   Tyres / ice rink demo. - Zero

>> >> It's been raining here non stop since I got up at 3.30am. >> >> >> >> Pat >> >> >> >> Ah, the next marketing ploy. Wet weather tyres! What use are they in the wettest country in the northern hemisphere. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 20 Jan 12 18:12   Tyres / ice rink demo. - Lygonos

>>What use are they in the wettest country in the northern hemisphere. Better ask an Indian. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 20 Jan 12 18:22   Tyres / ice rink demo. - Zero

>> >>What use are they in the wettest country in the northern hemisphere. >> >> Better ask an Indian. Better not, he hasnt got treads on his tyres. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 20 Jan 12 17:38   Tyres / ice rink demo. - Zero

>> In 1978 in Zeroland area we had significant snow in late April. In 1975 I drove through a blizzard in the Malverns in May. Didnt have winters tyres on then either. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 20 Jan 12 17:44   Tyres / ice rink demo. - PeterS

Probably didn't have 235/45 18 tyres either ;-) Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 20 Jan 12 15:53   Tyres / ice rink demo. - Focusless

Report in question (presumably): www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16644909 Reply to this message | Report message