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 Skoda Superb - second, dynamic impressions - WillDeBeest
After a false start because the demo car was mysteriously unavailable, the family and I spent a couple of hours earlier this week with a Skoda Superb estate. Mrs Beest wasn’t on top form, so I did all the driving but this, as we’ll see, was no great hardship.

We had time and fuel for a decent trundle, but no particular place to go, so we chose an anticlockwise circular route encompassing motorway, A-roads of varying surface quality, market towns, villages and the peculiar horror (to me) that is central Reading. It’s all in this Google map link, minus the little detour to take it home and park it on the drive.

tinyurl.com/superb-test-route

To begin at the beginning, this Superb was an Elegance estate in the odd but distinctive dried-blood colour Skoda calls Rosso Brunello. Inside was black leather. The car was a 61 with a little over 2,000 miles on it, with the 2.0 170 CR diesel engine and – new to me – the DSG automatic transmission.

Inside
Getting comfortable was simple enough. The Elegance has electric seat adjusters, which are easy to use and offer virtually stepless control. It’s also possible to use them safely on the move, which can make all the difference on a long journey when a slight change for its own sake can stave off driver fatigue. In my static impressions report the other week ( www.car4play.com/forum/post/index.htm?t=8072 )I expressed some concern about the side bolsters on the seat bases, but I needn’t have worried – I wasn’t conscious of them at all in nearly two hours with the car. In fact my overall impression of the seat was very favourable – and if I hadn’t come in from 15 years with Swedish seats I’d probably have found nothing at all to criticize; as it is, it’s a little over-firm in places and doesn’t quite have the width to support my shoulders as well as the Volvo seat does, but it’s still better than almost anything else I’ve tried recently. The front passenger seat has the same adjusters – including one for the lumbar bulge, which Mrs Beest found before I did, and which goes up and down as well as in and out. That’s good for me, since my lumbar region is higher than most and the support in the Volvo is in the wrong place.

The driving environment, as with many well-equipped modern cars, is a little daunting at first, with a lot of multi-function switches controlling features that would require the handbook – not present in this car – to explain. I have to say I really, really hate Skoda’s choice of graphics for the speedo and tachometer. There’s too much white on the dials, and with the needles in white as well it is not as easy as it should be to tell how fast you’re going. VW instruments don’t have this nonsense, so why should Skoda’s? It’s a jarring gimmick in such a well thought-out car.

But the other main controls are where you’d expect them and have a nicely weighted action, with one curious exception. The accelerator pedal, as is VAG’s way these days, is a floor-hinged board, the first of this type I’ve tried. My foot naturally rested quite low down on it, which meant it required rather a lot of effort to move and reduced the degree of finesse I could apply. There’s actually room for my entire foot on the pedal, so no doubt I’d get used to resting it higher up, but it’s an odd sensation at first.

On the move
Now to the major control I didn’t get on with. I set off with the DSG in D mode, intending to let it do its own thing, but as we headed out towards the M4 and it changed up to fifth with the speedo showing 32 I began to think this wasn’t a good idea. Even trundling from the J12 roundabout onto the eastbound sliproad, it grabbed the opportunity to change up, so that asking it to get up to motorway speed resulted in an undignified drop of two ratios and a flustered – if distant - howl from under the bonnet. Even at cruising speed it felt the need to drop a gear for a mild overtaking burst, although the engine didn’t feel short of urge and was comfortably within its torque band. This, to me, is not what one wants from a big diesel.

On the twisty, bumpy A-roads I used the lever to choose my own gears, which made for smoother progress, and later, in town, I found and tried the S mode, which made better use of third but tended to hang on to second too long. In whichever mode, getting the selector into N and out again at traffic lights was a faff requiring a foot on the brake pedal; no wonder automatic drivers simply don’t bother. I’d be interested to know whether, as we’ve discussed here before, the DSG would ‘learn’ my driving style and choose more sensible gears, but I’d be more interested in a manual, especially since both versions come with a proper handbrake.

The silly gearbox is really the only aspect of the Superb I could fault. It made the car seem slow and unresponsive, but I’m pretty sure that’s not a fair impression. At speed, it is smooth, quiet and composed – quiet enough not to have to fiddle with the volume control during quiet passages of the Haydn symphony we took along to listen to. (The ‘Columbus’ audio unit is better than adequate too, if not quite up to Volvo standards.) On badly broken country roads it also makes very little fuss – this despite 45 profile tyres on 18-inch wheels. In town it’s very impressive: for such a big car, it’s very easy to place in traffic, helped by big mirrors and a large glass area with no gimmicky tinting at the back. I had no problem reverse-parking it, either, and I’d be confident enough about parallel parking if I could find a space to take the length.

Next steps
With its huge back seat and beautifully-shaped load area, the Superb really does seem to be a thoroughly well-sorted family travelling machine. As a piece of packaging, it makes my benchmark, the V70, look rather amateurish. Mrs Beest and I agreed that if we can’t fit ourselves and our stuff in one, we don’t need a different car, we need less stuff. The dealer will get me a manual demo as soon as they can; I’m also keen to try the 1.8 TSI petrol engine and even the 1.6 CR Greenline II engine in case that’s as drivable as the Volvo equivalents. Beest Major is already considering colours; it’s safe to say he liked it, and so did I.

 Skoda Superb - second, dynamic impressions - Runfer D'Hills
Sounds, well, superb WDB. I can't imagine you would ever be disappointed by it if you bought one.

Except perhaps for that niggling feeling that you should have bought a Volvo...Oh, and being mildly irritated by neighbours asking you if you could give them a price for airport runs...

Probably a very wise buy in truth. Tough to find anything to dislike for sure.

:-))
 Skoda Superb - second, dynamic impressions - CGNorwich
Apparently I have been mispronouncing the brand name. The latest Superb advert uses a pronunciation of the first syllable of Skoda that rhymes with god rather than road.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=frmiE42dMKI
 Skoda Superb - second, dynamic impressions - PeterS
Detailed review - thanks for that. I actually took a look at the Suberb estate after posting on anther forum. I'd originally had the Mondeo, Insignia, A6, 5 Series and MB 'E' on my shortlist, but was pursuaded to add the Superb by consistently good recomandations (albeit from people I've never met!!)

I have to say I was very impressed - not only did it have a significantly bigger/more useable boot all of the others bar the MB, but it was a very comfortable place to be. Have to say though, it's not that cheap in 2.0 TDI 170 format / elegance trim guise - they don't seem to qualify for the current VAT free offers.

MB are doing a 'special edition' E220 CDI, with the hideous name of "Executive SE". Basically an Avantgarde minus the adaptive bi-xenon headlamps. In estate form with manual 'box and metallic paint (and standard leather, NAV etc etc) it's under £29k on DTD. A Skoda Superb 2.0 TDI 170 Elegance, optioned to bring it up to the MB spec, is £26k, again from DTD...

Probably makes more sense to buy lower down the range, or to go petrol which does qualify for the VAT free offer!!

Peter
 Skoda Superb - second, dynamic impressions - Runfer D'Hills
Have you got your new car yet Peter?
 Skoda Superb - second, dynamic impressions - PeterS
Arrived at the dealer today :-) Registration number allocated, insurance organised (though MB offer free 7 day cover) and pick-up scheduled for November 2nd - next Wednesday. My delay not theirs; can't do Monday or Tuesday!!

 Skoda Superb - second, dynamic impressions - Bagpuss
>> very comfortable place to be. Have to say though, it's not that cheap in 2.0 TDI 170 format / elegance trim
>> guise - they don't seem to qualify for the current VAT free offers.

I briefly looked at a V6 4x4 Superb. Very nice interior but easy to spec it up to 6 cylinder BMW 5 Series price levels with the options list.
 Skoda Superb - second, dynamic impressions - PeterS
Indeed, and when flicking through the options I founds myself selecting things that I wouldn't necessarly spec on an Audi / BM / MB becasue, well, I'm saving money buying a Skoda so I can treat myself to a few extra bits!!

Doing that though it's easily possible to make the 170 elegance more expensive than the more 'premium' brands (which, I have to say, are all pretty well equiped today. All have leather and some form of 'phone/IPOD connectivity, all bar the BMW come with Sat Nav etc etc)

Peter
 Skoda Superb - second, dynamic impressions - TeeCee
In its native language (I lived over there for a few years) it's a long "o", so you're correct. It's a "Sh" sound at the start rather than a "s" sound though. Actually written with an inverted circumflex over the S, like this - Š.
 Skoda Superb - second, dynamic impressions - Fursty Ferret
Found exactly the same thing with the accelerator in the BMW - takes about a month to get used to and every so often you realise you've let your foot slide down. Plus side to this is that the car has much snappier acceleration for a short period until it happens again...

The automatic gearbox in the BMW also behaves in exactly the same way - dropping into 5th at 32mph and slightly too enthusiastic to change down during hard acceleration. The good news is that most gearboxes adapt to your driving style, and once you've had it a bit you can get it into pretty much any gear you want with careful use of the accelerator.
 Skoda Superb - second, dynamic impressions - rtj70
When I briefly drove a Passat CC 170PS with the DSG I found it changed up early too. It's obviously trying to keep revs as low as possible to keep emissions down.

I didn't have the car long enough (blast down the motorway and back) with a member of VW dealer staff with me to really try it. And the motorway was busier than you'd have normally seen.

What I did decide was I would prefer a manual. This was also because of the auto-hold facility which meant reverse parking kept auto holding ;-) I realised later you could turn it off but I prefer the control the manual gives me.

I do know the engine with the manual gearbox is happy to pull in high gears at relatively low rpm without any sign of struggling. The gear change indicator is often telling me to change up.

I haven't found the accelerator pedal design in the Passat a problem at all. I don't even feel it is any different to the normal pedal arrangement to be honest. What I couldn't be doing with is the busy design of the speedometer. The Passat has only mph marked (30, 50, 70 etc in smaller script but not much smaller). The kph is digital in the MFD. Friend with an Audi pointed out that 30, 50, 70 etc are not even marked on the speedo in his A4.
 Skoda Superb - second, dynamic impressions - WillDeBeest
I tell myself I could get used to the speedometer; after all, my watch dial has radiating numerals and I seldom even notice them because I just look at the hands and know from long experience what their position indicates. Speedometers vary in a way that clocks don't, of course, but in a familiar car I don't often need to look a the numerals.

Funnily enough, 20, 40, 60 is just as easy to read (that's how the Volvo speedo is marked) as 30, 50, 70, or even 20, 30, 40, 50... It's more important that it's clear where the needle is pointing, which means a well-defined gap is better than a lot of crowded numerals.

The Skoda rev counter is actually a worse offender than the speedo for this reason. Instead of the simple 1, 2, 3 x1000 markings most makers use, it's marked in hundreds, and absurdly goes 5, 10, 15, 20, 25... It's practically impossible to read at a glance, especially since the needle is also white, so the eye wastes time picking it out of the background clutter.

One distinctive feature: when you turn the key, both needles do a complete sweep of their dials. Last time I saw this was in a Lexus LS400 in 1991.
 Skoda Superb - second, dynamic impressions - ....
>> One distinctive feature: when you turn the key, both needles do a complete sweep of
>> their dials. Last time I saw this was in a Lexus LS400 in 1991.
>>
Alfa Giulietta does that so I'm guessing it's an Alfa family trait too.

Interesting reading this thread. Of all the Skoda's, the Superb estate is the only one I'd consider buying and you've found the one thing that has put me off them. The dashboard graphics.
Looks a great car but for that amount of money you'd think they could do something about the dials.
 Skoda Superb - second, dynamic impressions - corax
>> Found exactly the same thing with the accelerator in the BMW - takes about a
>> month to get used to and every so often you realise you've let your foot
>> slide down. Plus side to this is that the car has much snappier acceleration for
>> a short period until it happens again...

I find this to be one of the best things about BMW's. The floor hinged pedal allows you to keep the back of your knees rested on the front of the seat, especially good if you have sports versions with extendable squabs. This means that there is less fatique when driving long distances. In addition the pedal almost acts like a foot rest, being stiff enough to resist the foots weight. Good if you have longish legs. I do miss that in my Avensis with it's over light accelerator meaning I keep over-revving it when pulling away.
 Skoda Superb - second, dynamic impressions - WillDeBeest
That thought occurred to me, Corax. In fact, once I got used to it (I was pleasantly surprised that the pedal could accommodate all of my hefty hoof) I rather liked it. Less likely to wear a hole in my shoe, too.
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