Brand new replacement for a 2001 (new shape) 1.4 manual Civic owned from new. Suggestions, please.
New one needed "because it's getting quite old" - having done 62k and being 10 years old.
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Need a bit more info MM,
similar size and another hatch.
stay with petrol fuel,
similar performance and economy,
Manual or auto, if auto what type.
long warranty,
perceived reliability,
makers badge important.
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I'm confused that the current/new shape Civic which came out in 2006 can be ten years old. I assume you have the previous shape? There's a new one out soon. Looks a bit dull to me.
Last edited by: rtj70 on Thu 25 Aug 11 at 12:52
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The only possible answers given the paucity of spec here are: "KIA Ceed" and "Hyundai i30".
In 1.4 petrol, manual form. Best value purchase in this class of car, bar none.
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rtj>>I'm confused that the current/new shape Civic which came out in 2006 can be ten years old.
Who said it was the current shape? Merely that it was the 2001 new shape.
>>paucity of spec
Completely blank canvas, apart from being petrol and manual and similar to the car being replaced.
Last edited by: Mapmaker on Thu 25 Aug 11 at 13:34
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Unlimited budget?
£19,375 for a BMW 316i, £10,995 for a 1.4 Ceed.
Surely we need to have a budget before we can pontificate.
But I'll stick with the Ceed and i30 so far.
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>>Unlimited budget?
Not being silly - it won't be a BMW (£20k for a shopping trolley! with a 1.6 engine!!).
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>>£10,995 for a 1.4 Ceed.
"From 12,116" www.kia.co.uk/new-cars/range/mid-sized-cars/ceed.aspx?utm_campaign=ceed&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=ceed&gclid=CPXb9PbC6qoCFcEe4QodrH9LPg
I cannot believe how expensive these little motors are. Do people pay list?
(A nice 20k 10-reg 1.4 i30 for £7,800 suggests the possibly don't.) Unlike the prices for second hand Jazzes. Incidentally, Honda dealer offered a mere £500 as trade-in against a new Jazz which seemed pretty stingy to me.
Last edited by: Mapmaker on Thu 25 Aug 11 at 14:18
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>> >>£10,995 for a 1.4 Ceed.
I was taking the "Deal Price" from Parker's. I expect that's what most people pay.
I'd buy one at 3 years old with 4 years warranty remaining for about 5k. That's where the utter bargain is to be had.
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Not a Civic FN3 (2006>), harsh ride, poor rear visibility, suspect build quality
Golf VI (1.2TSi or 1.4TSi), we loved our 1.4TSi
Golf's Skoda and Seat siblings although Skodas lack safety kit as standard fitment I think.
Focus 1.6 (maybe good deals on last model)
Hyundai/Kia I30/C'eed (ostensibly the same car aren't they) ?
Auris
Vauxhall Astra (although I wouldn't touch anything from Vauxhall)
Plenty of choice of good cars in this category I'd suggest.
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>> Not a Civic FN3 (2006>), harsh ride,
So does the Kia Cee'd. I was genuinely impressed by the one I drove in every single area except for the ride. Jiggly and unsettled, and with too much bump thump from underneath. Fine in a hot hatch, but this was a 1.6 diesel with no sporting pretensions whatsoever.
Really good all round car, but this would be a bit of a fly in the ointment for me, and I reckon it was bad enough that it would cause things to start rattling and creaking after a few years.
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>> >> Not a Civic FN3 (2006>), harsh ride,
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>> So does the Kia Cee'd. I was genuinely impressed by the one I drove in
>> every single area except for the ride.
The 2010 facelift model Cee'd has revised suspension, mine is similar to the Focus it replaced for ride, firm but comfortable.
Last edited by: Old Navy on Fri 26 Aug 11 at 20:26
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Alanovic' wrote, as about the third response, "The only possible answers given the paucity of spec here are: "KIA Ceed" and "Hyundai i30"."
Interestingly there has been no advance on this by anybody!
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It's not my market, but these are the cars i would consider in no particular order, i don't include Focus or Astra as they are the standard obvious choice for almost everyone it seems.
I don't include Pug either as apart from 207 they currently offer probably the blandest looking cars on the road, apart from 508, and they've gone and shoved that gaping gob in the middle of the front bumper and spoiled that otherwise good looker.
I haven't listed Mazda 3's, clutch issue on the outlaws car, they've never had a clutch fail before in umteen years of driving, 12ishK, and Mazda charged 'em full whack with no contribution....but if you assume i'm biased because of that, feel free..;)
In no particular order then and some of these are expensive for the market.
Alfa Giulietta, undeniably pretty even if the rear lights are a bit camp.
Audi A3, i couldn't cos it's too expensive and it's an Audi but it's nice looking.
BMW 116, new model from next month, so relative bargains to be had?
Chevy Cruze Hatch, i like these a lot but only saloon form with 2.0 litre auto Diesel for me.
Citroen C4.
Fiat Bravo, 5 year warranty i believe too.
Hyundai 130, already mentioned, i like them but the looks don't thrill, 5 year warranty.
Kia Ceed, already mentioned, i like these, well built underneath, 7 year warranty.
Mitsi Lancer, i like these a lot, alternative choice, old school car but in a good way IMO.
Seat Leon, must be a new model due soon, so might be a bargain.
Toyota Auris, better than most think if you can stand the looks, 5 year warranty.
You could go left field here and consider a Toyota Auris Hybrid, i prefer Prius.
I would have included Honda in this list, but as Peugeot their designs are getting uglier with each change, they've even managed to ruin the always handsome Accord by trying to outdo Mazda's 6 with macho bulges, looks silly now.
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We have a 2002 Civic 1.6 auto. Mrs Dugong isn't in a hurry to replace it but has been heard to say she'd want a Jazz. Hates the new Civic (her friend has one, and Mrs Dugong thinks it's claustrophobia-inducing).
Much as I enjoy disagreeing with Alanovic, the i30 or the other one look like the natural successor, though unlike the Civic it is not assembled in the UK which I would prefer, other things being more or less equal.
One of the things she values about the Civic is the space and adaptability. A Roomster or even a Berlingo-style job would score on that dimension, if that resonates at all.
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AAARRGGGGHHH!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOO!!!!!!
;-)
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I saw an ASX in the flesh this afternoon, and thought it looked quite smart actually.
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I had a 2003 Civic 1.6 petrol from new; loved the interior space and also the amount of light let in by big windows. Not particularly economical, but always fun to drive.
My son has bought it from me and is in the process of trashing it.
I considered a Jazz, but felt it wasn't quite right. Next thought was a Nissan Note but in the end I wanted something a little higher to get into and bought a new C-max. It's about 4 inches wider, similar length but taller. Am very pleased with it so far. Not as much fun to drive as the Civic, but then you can't have everything.
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Drove the new Hyundai Elantra today. BY GOD IT IS GOOD!
Dunno if/when you'll get it in UK, but it knocks spots off of most stuff in its price range here in SA. Loaded with kit, very responsive 1.8 engine, 6 speed box, and looks the borrox as well.
Very impressed.
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>> Drove the new Hyundai Elantra today. BY GOD IT IS GOOD!
>> Dunno if/when you'll get it in UK,>>
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It's called the i30 in Europe.
tinyurl.com/3vn3oon
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Thanks for the link on that one, Old Navy, but this one isn't the i30 - it is a 3-boxer.
tinyurl.com/3vzgbvl
tinyurl.com/3sffunh
The i30 is on sale here, but sells very few.
This one is going up against the corolla and Chev Cruze...
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Good looking car that, Ian, and some excellent shots of it in your second link. I'll be having a closer look next year if its available in the UK by then.
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That's coming to the uk as the i40. Quite similar to the Vx Insignia which i reckon's nice looking for a family hack.
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>>That's coming to the uk as the i40<<
I was looking at the i40 only yesterday funnily enough ~
www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/hyundai/i40-saloon-2011/
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The i40 will also be available as a nice looking estate. Lots of room.
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I'd like to see a bit more of one. When they're available at our local Hyundai dealer i'm off for a look-see one morning, see if i can't bag a test drive too.
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>>I was looking at the i40 only yesterday
Hope it doesn't have a cam belt...
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...Hope it doesn't have a cam belt...
I hope it does, and I hope Hyundai publish conflicting information about its service life.
That should lead to lots of interesting threads on here and elsewhere.
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i40's sister Optima should be worth a look, i'll be looking too, probably too big for MM's consideration though.
Cambelts don't make or break a deal for me, it's a fixed cost at a pre determined point, give or take a few thousand miles or a year or two....maybe later handbooks when early failures have sprung up.
Timing chains on the whole are reliable, but an engine that doesn't get frequent or correct servicing can have premature timing chain or tensioner wear, a seriously expensive business.
Fairly easy to unclip the cambelt cover on most cars and have a poke nose at condition too.
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>>Hope it doesn't have a cam belt...
Forgot to leave a smiley with that one!
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>>>>Hope it doesn't have a cam belt...
Forgot to leave a smiley with that one!<<
Made me smile ... I'd rather have a Lancer with a timing belt. than an Almera with a timing chain :)
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I can't say cambelt or chain even enters my head when making a buying decision.
Most belts now are good for 60-80k plus, some for over 100k, and the premature failures that blighted certain cambelt equipped cars seem to be a thing of the past.
The cost of changing a belt after, say 60-80k miles of use is pretty insignificant compared to the cost of fuel, insurance, servicing, tyres and depreciation over the same period.
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what you are getting as an i40 is called the Sonata here. And i45 in other markets.
Confused yet?
the Elantra I drove is smaller - same lines (they call it fluidic) as a Sonata, and comes with 1.8 and 1.6 petrol engines.
And we checked - it has a timing chain, not a cambelt.
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