I recently stumbled across a site which tells you how many of a particular model are left.
I was prompted to do a search by a thread on here on Wartburgs - it seems that 40 or so may still be registered in the UK.
I've no idea how accurate the data is.
howmanyleft.co.uk/?q=wartburg
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My first car was a Vauxhall Victor FD. Seems there are about 100 left on the road. No wonder it seems such a long time since I last saw one!
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Only 112 Cavaliers left!
EDIT: ah I assumed that included all the sub-categories, but it looks like it doesn't
Last edited by: Focus on Tue 14 Jun 11 at 07:51
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>> Only 112 Cavaliers left!
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How many Roundheads?
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Fascinating, thanks for that link.
A curious feature of the more "classic" models is the way registered numbers are rising rather than falling. Triumph Stags for example, there are more manual versions around than in 1994, but fewer automatics.
There could be all sorts of reasons - cars being rescued as values rise, or converted from less desirable to more desirable gearboxes.
It suggests that "registered" means taxed, rather than including SORNed.
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When you drill down on a particular model it shows the SORNs too.
It claims the data comes from the DfT so hopefully accurate.
I notice that the figure for the year is the figure in Q4. Some post 1973 classic and semi-classic cars get SORNed in the winter - when you drill down you can see a few extra being taxed in the summer months.
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At last I drive an "exclusive" car ! My X1 is one of a thousand odd (very odd)
What surprised me was that 11 are SORNed wonder if they are cars on the forecourts ?
Wonder if this is a browsered version of the spreadsheet that we saw a couple of days ago..?
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>> At last I drive an "exclusive" car ! My X1 is one of a thousand
>> odd (very odd)
I make it several thousand X1s if you take varying engines into account.
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A few of my early cars
Vauxhall Victor FD - covered above
Vauxhall Victor FE - about 20 left (far fewer than the rustier FDs!)
Austin Maxi - 100 or so
Minivan - 200 or so
Triumph 1500 - 68
Ford Orion - 800 or so
Granada Estate - lots
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My first car was a Fiat Uno 55 Super, registered in 1984. There's just one left from that year (pretty sure it's not A530UGA!!), and just 8 in total :-(
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Interesting link.
Hillman imps ! still hundreds.
Carlton GSi 24V manual 24 only wish I had kept mine.
Vauxhall Magnum 2300 auto 1 !!!!!! great car in its day.
Opel Ascona SR just a handfull !
Ope; Ascona 400 there are still 3. Very rapid tool in its day.
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>> Carlton GSi 24V manual 24 only wish I had kept mine.
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I wish I hadn't bent my estate version.:-/
There are 73 Lotus Carltons though, seems odd that they now outnumber the 'normal' version.
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Very interesting indeed.
Loads of Citroen 2CVs left ( around 3000 ) given that the youngest are 20 years old now but only a couple of hundred Fiat 126s, rivals in the day.
Only 23 Hyundai Stellars left ( theres one in Northampton in beige, see it when Im over that way ).
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nearly 1000 Commers (not model specific)
Renault 16 TL 9, to be fair my second one had rust starting to show before its 3rd birthday
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There is a lot more that, the Cav would be the base model, then all the extras are included. The way the data is collected is a bit iffy.
There is actually 762 left which is a lot more realistic. In 1994 there was 98131 of them! So they are vanishing quickly. By 2000 there was just 32258 left.
Actually my data is wrong, because there is five pages of results. What you would need to do is copy everything item into a spreadsheet to calculate it.
So I wrecken there is close to 100,000 cavvies left on our roads!
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>> Only 112 Cavaliers left!
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>> EDIT: ah I assumed that included all the sub-categories, but it looks like it doesn't
I think it's about 40,000 still on the road (that is taxed) according to DVLA out of about 1.8M made but Practical Classics magazine reveals this month that the Mk3 Cavalier SRi is the sixth highest SORN'd car in UK with about 2,500 on SORN.
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FIAT 127 numbers are bizarre.
5 Sports left, but 81 Deluxes. 81 seems a very high number, 5 seems very low.
My Volvo 360 GLEi SE seems to be one of 19 left. More GLTs (82) have survived.
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Too many variants to count them all but the Citroen ZX is a real survivor. Must still be several thousand - including at least three in my immediate neighbourhood.
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>> Too many variants to count them all but the Citroen ZX is a real survivor.
>> Must still be several thousand - including at least three in my immediate neighbourhood.
Not surprising really. They are mechanically tough, simple and cheap to fix, and most importantly, they simply don't rot. I see loads of these, with enough tired paint and battle scars to indicate they are high mileage workhorses rather than "cherished classics", but I don't think I've ever seen one with noticeable rust.
Unlike its sister, the 306, the ZX is also completely overlooked by boy racers and joyriders who between them, are probably responsible for destroying thousands of cars of this age every year.
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Mate of mine scrapped a diesel ZX recently as it would have cost so much to replace the knackered glowplugs. Thought he was being a bit short sighted myself.
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>> Mate of mine scrapped a diesel ZX recently as it would have cost so much
>> to replace the knackered glowplugs. Thought he was being a bit short sighted myself.
£20, and an half hour's work (5 minutes for 3 of them, and 25 for the one buried behind the fuel pump) ;-)
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Not loosing too many Ignis Sports, about 150 seem to have gone since first launched, prob all into a hedge/ditch somewhere.
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And still 4 Simca 1500s left, a reasonably consistent number since the nineties.
My father had one, a red GLS estate GBN 611D, as a company car from 1966. By the time it went in 1969 it was falling to bits. The idea that any of them survived another 40 yrs leaves me gobsmacked.
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ONE Lancia Trevi left!
I had the chance to buy one in about 1994, but it was a not MOT'd and I didn't have the time/money to muck about.
Sob.
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*Memory kicks in*
I bought a Citroen GSA instead of the Trevi becasue it had 6 months MOT. Then it failed on the spheres after the 6 months and it got scrapped.
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Lots have got caught up in the "missing" category, i.e. there are no Ferrari 308s listed though there are 3248 Ferraris in the "missing" category.
howmanyleft.co.uk/?q=Ferrari+308
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>> ONE Lancia Trevi left!
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>> I had the chance to buy one in about 1994, but it was a not
>> MOT'd and I didn't have the time/money to muck about.
A car deeply flawed in many areas. Friend of mine had one. He cursed it and praised it in equal measure.
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My predilection for crap 1970s/80s Italian cars knows (almost) no bounds.
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Only 1314 examples of the Cortina left.
When you consider the zillions that were produced over three decades it isn't a lot.
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Only 31 Talbot Horizons, what a shame ;-)
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And 1 Talbot Tagora, which is really a bit of a shame.
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>> Only 1314 examples of the Cortina left.
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No that's not a total, surely it means 1314 on record as just Cortina, 57 as Cortina 2000 GXL, 5 as Cortina 2000 GXL auto etc.
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Less than 20 Peugeot 104s left, only one of which is a two-door, 'Shortcut', a lowly ZL rather than the Mini-Cooper-of-its-day, the 104ZS. That's a shame.
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>> Less than 20 Peugeot 104s left, only one of which is a two-door, 'Shortcut', a
>> lowly ZL rather than the Mini-Cooper-of-its-day, the 104ZS. That's a shame.
Had one of those too. A 1978 T reg which I bought for £1200 in late 1982. Bright orange with a black 'go faster stripe'. Mates christened it 'the bean can'.
The 1124cc 'duovrin' engine pushed our 60+bhp. Canted back 72 degrees it was a pig to work on, anthing more than a rocker gasket meant getting the engine out. On song it drove beautifully but it was a pig to start in the cold (carppy auto choke) and inadequate cooling, mainly due to poor earthing of the radiator fan, meant it ate head gaskets.
Sold it in 1989 but still saw it occasionally in London into the nineties.
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>> No that's not a total, surely it means 1314 on record as just Cortina, 57
>> as Cortina 2000 GXL, 5 as Cortina 2000 GXL auto etc.
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I thought the top figure was the total No of the model and the rest were it's variations?
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Nope it dosn't add up. If you look at the caviller for example, add the 2010 figure up and it comes to many 10000's. It was common in the old days for base cars just to be called that. The Lada Riva for example was just that, a few were sold to trade clients but most the Riva L which gave you things like head rests and a carpet.
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26 NSU Ro80.
Quite a lot.
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Amazingly, seeing how you needed a brush and pan to sweep up the rust every week, there are quite a few Alfasuds left.
It was a fantastic sweet engined, good handling car, made from recycled washing machines, great shame.
Vauxhall advertise their Astra as if the Watts linkage is something new on a car, when in fact the
Alfasud had it way back when.
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160 Allegros. Is that a lot, or not? 157 Maxis, likewise. 130 Montegos (that does surprise me).
And well under 400 Renault 21 Savannas.
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>>26 NSU Ro80<<
Nice, none with the original injun I'll wager!
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I've hit my first zero.
Alfa Romeo Arna.
Last one disappeared in 2007.
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thank god for that, it was horrid, hopefully that gene pool had died out.
made a nice noise tho
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Sorry. There are quite a lot of Nissan Cherries left.
:-)
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>> thank god for that, it was horrid, hopefully that gene pool had died out.
>> made a nice noise tho
As so often Zero, you are allowing your sadistic, philistine, bullying side to get the better of you.
I can't help wondering if that last Arna was mine. Its clutch thrust bearing had gone definitively, and it wasn't worth the considerable hassle (engine and driveline out) of fixing it because the body was too rusty to be worth saving, although I had given it a wing, sills and a couple of patches on perforated front suspension towers (BUMBOclaat!). Its single-choke-Solex-carbed 1300 engine, far from gutsy but zippy and willing, was just fine, and the synchro had gone on third although that didn't matter because Italian cars facilitate heel-and-toe. Best of all, it was the only really tail-happy front-drive car I have ever had. I quite liked it.
I didn't expect a Nissan body, even a floppy one like that, to rust. Then I reflected that it might have been assembled in Italy.
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>> >> thank god for that, it was horrid, hopefully that gene pool had died out.
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>> As so often Zero, you are allowing your sadistic, philistine, bullying side to get the
>> better of you.
What an earth was sadistic, philistine or bullying about that remark?
Mind is not the first time you have espoused a complete basket case, with misty eye finding scant positives to try and mask considerable shortcomings.
BY any order of the day, the Arna was a basterd child conceived for the very worst of reasons. Its early demise is a blessing to us all.
And that from a man who has the Alonovich disease, believing that Italian cars can do little wrong.
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>> Mind is not the first time you have espoused a complete basket case, with misty eye finding scant positives to try and mask considerable shortcomings.
Misty eye be damned. I just like cars. Not efficient cars or modern cars or sensible cars or the sort of cars that practical efficient chaps consider worth buying. Cars.
My affliction has been to see some virtue even in the most hopeless jalopy. But as well as an affliction, it has been a joy. You know nothing of my worst ever purchase... Simca 1100 and another for spares. Nice comfortable motor, 'brave' in the misguided expression of a French hack friend, lot to be said for it, torsion bar front end, but what a pile of excrement.
Looked at with a truly cold and objective eye, the automobile has been a pile of poo from the very start. There isn't one that can't be subjected to savage contemptuous technical criticism.
If you do that selectively, at the same time exaggerating implicitly the virtues of the sensible middle-class buy, you are being (only implicitly perhaps I admit) sadistic and bullying as I see it. But feel free Zeddo. I don't think it's very bad of you.
I loved the way my Arna's tail used to poke out on wet bumpy roundabouts, and how easy it was to keep on the island when it did that. Small joys, but important.
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>> If you do that selectively, at the same time exaggerating implicitly the virtues of the
>> sensible middle-class buy, you are being (only implicitly perhaps I admit) sadistic and bullying as
>> I see it. But feel free Zeddo. I don't think it's very bad of you.
There are far to many good exciting cars about to need to extol the virtues of piles of excrement. There is nothing wrong calling them as it is. Car lover or no.
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>> There are far to many good exciting cars about to need to extol the virtues
>> of piles of excrement. >>
Agreed 100% though dangerous word spoken by a Mitsi Lancer 1.6 estate driver ;-)
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Have you ever caught me extolling the exciting virtues of the Lancer?
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>> Have you ever caught me extolling the exciting virtues of the Lancer?
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I reckon you have though I was only joking after all Z.
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Ah shaddap.
Just because I don't think it's very bad of you shouldn't make you imagine that I want to listen to a lot of clacking sensible rubbish. Naturally we get lumbered with the sort of cars we can afford, or are prepared to afford.
Who wants to listen to some twerp saying there are better cars around? That's obvious to any car owner who has ever lived.
And by the way: 'far too many' good exciting cars around? Do me a favour.
Last edited by: Armel Coussine on Tue 14 Jun 11 at 21:00
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>> I've hit my first zero.
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>> Alfa Romeo Arna.
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>> Last one disappeared in 2007.
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Could be some in the 630 Alfa unknown models.
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To reach extinction in 25 years is quite an achievement. If a car is any one of useful, interesting and durable you'd expect someone to keep one going. Most of us have a memory involving an Allegro or a Lada, which gives them an ironic-chic appeal to some, so a few survive precisely because they were crap. It takes extra-special crapness to sink without trace like the Arna.
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there is a registered arna in my village in pretty good nick and used daily.
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Thus proving that the webiste is, sadly, inaccurate.
But I'm pleased there's an Arna somewhere. I'd swap my Volvo 360 for one, just to make sure one survives. I'm sure the Volvo 300 series won't die out completely.
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I'm surprised there's still four Chrysler 180's around. Mine suffered terminal rot and cost me a packet to get through its third MOT. I ended up giving it away to a young lad for the engine and tyres when it was just eight years old.
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im tempted by a 340 5door just for nostalgia.
i had one in 1990 and did 30k in one year and was very comfortable
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I own my 360 out of nostalgia, having had one years ago. That was a 3dr hatch, my current one is a saloon.
My missus prefers to travel as a passenger in the 360 over just about any other car, due to its remarkably comfortable leather seats. She hates to drive it though.
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Don't worry: there's a Volvo 300 in my street, outside one of the numerous four-bedroom houses occupied by one or two affluent octogenarians. At least there aren't families unable to afford a car because of pensioners choking off the supply of ancient Volvos.
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>> Thus proving that the webiste is, sadly, inaccurate.
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No because the odd extant Arna wil be among the 630 Alfa unknown models mentioned.
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From Wikipedia:
"As long ago as 2000 (when Jeremy Clarkson famously blew one up on Clarkson's Car Years), it was reported that only 340 Alfa Romeo Arnas were still registered with the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency in United Kingdom. By July 2008, it was reported that just one was remaining Britain, a red model registered to an owner in Oxfordshire."
Is that red one the one you see in your village, nyx2k?
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its a dark blue. looks like new.used daily but not looked to see if taxed but belongs to a big house with an elderly couple
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nyx2k, if you ever see it's up for sale, please contact me!
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NOOOOOOOO
Quick, someone find him the address of the nearest support group! Quickly!
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The last Arna support group was wound up in 2007; that's why the (supposed) last owner decided it was heavy cube time. If only they'd known...
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Philistines, the lorra yers.
;-)
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Found stripped in Reading?
Was this for your Arna rebuild project?
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-13753081
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How do you do an embarrassed smiley on here?
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The database is very dodgy. My old machine (1966) is still registered, not to me, but nothing under Norton for that model. Humph.
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>> The database is very dodgy. My old machine (1966) is still registered, not to me,
>> but nothing under Norton for that model. Humph.
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Agree with that. I know of at least eight Harley-Davidson FLHS in our club alone, all of which are in use, yet the database lists three on the road and three SORN.
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There needs to be a way of querying more specific details. Does anybody know if accessing this database is free? If so I may at creating something which will enable people to query very specific models. E.g the amount of Escort MK6s still on the road.
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In 30 odd years of driving I've owned or had the long term use of at least as many cars. Preposterous I know but there it is.
I've had the odd one I really would like to see again and the very odd one I might even be tempted to try to own again.
I wish there was a way for Joe Public to find out where cars are by looking up some database. I'd quite like to stalk some of mine.
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hy dont we have have a
"Where is Betsy" thread.
Just put the make and reg of the car and if anyone spots it - pipe up.
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Not a bad idea Z but some stones are better left unturned. I couldn't bear to hear of her being, well, you know, abused...I prefer to think of her as a faithful family servant to a young father sort of thing...
Sniffs and wipes away not-quite-tear...
:-)
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>> There needs to be a way of querying more specific details. Does anybody know if
>> accessing this database is free? If so I may at creating something which will enable
>> people to query very specific models. E.g the amount of Escort MK6s still on the
>> road.
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I tried on the gov't open data site and it sent me to
www2.dft.gov.uk/pgr/statistics/datatablespublications/vehicles/licensing/
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>> There needs to be a way of querying more specific details. Does anybody know if
>> accessing this database is free? If so I may at creating something which will enable
>> people to query very specific models. E.g the amount of Escort MK6s still on the
>> road.
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The site links to the Department of Transport site, which in turn lets you download the excel data here:
www2.dft.gov.uk/pgr/statistics/datatablespublications/vehicles/licensing/all-stock/veh0120.xls
So, over to you!!
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i will spk to the owner if i see them in their garden or cleaning the car and ask how long theyve had it and if they would like a change.
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He could start a bidding war, AC and Alanovic
Last edited by: Zero on Tue 14 Jun 11 at 20:32
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ive had my 190e 2ltr auto for 20yrs now and maybe theyd like to swap but i bet my merc is better put together and nicer to drive but not as rare as an arna
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Interesting re more current models, i.e. it tells me that my 2010 123d M-Sport is one of 1106 reg'd up to 2010.
howmanyleft.co.uk/?q=BMW+123d
And our 120i Sport was one of 479 in 2005 when it was reg'd.
howmanyleft.co.uk/?q=BMW+120i
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Thanks for that, my idea is to allow a person to search for specific model years. Lets say we wanted to find out how many 1997 Fiesta 1.3 Ghias are left.
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Was the Arna aka the Nissan (Datsun?) Cherry Europe?
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>> Was the Arna aka the Nissan (Datsun?) Cherry Europe?
Stolen from wikipedia
The Alfa Romeo Arna is a subcompact automobile produced by the Italian manufacturer Alfa Romeo between 1983 and 1987.
Launched at the 1983 Frankfurt Motor Show, the Arna was a product of a short-lived partnership between Alfa Romeo and Japanese manufacturer Nissan; the car's name was an acronym meaning Alfa Romeo Nissan Autoveicoli. The Arna was essentially a twin of the N12 series Nissan Pulsar / Nissan Cherry (also known as the Nissan Cherry Europe in Europe and the Nissan Pulsar Milano in Japan), but featured Alfa Romeo engines carried over from the Alfasud, as well as an Alfa transmission and front suspension. It did however use an independent rear suspension from Nissan. The body panels of the car were constructed in Japan by Nissan, then shipped to the then-new Alfa factory in Pratola Serra, near Naples, for assembly. Italian-built cars badged as Nissan Cherry Europe can be readily identified by their rear lighting clusters, which match those of the Arna rather than the Japanese-built Cherry.
The Arna was however not an economic success, and production ceased after only four years, most likely because the Arna exhibited the worst qualities of each of its parents. While customers would expect an Italian-Japanese vehicle to feature Italian styling and lithe driving dynamics coupled to robust Japanese mechanical and electronic systems, the idiosyncratic Arna was the complete reverse. It carried on Alfa's reputation of tempestuous mechanicals and electrical issues[1] married to a Nissan body of questionable build and frumpy styling, with insipid handling common to Japanese cars of the time.[2] This mis-match of technical strengths served to kill the sales of the Arna very rapidly. The Arna is listed as number 26 in the Richard Porter book, "Crap Cars".
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Stolen from my "Crap Cars" book by Richard Porter (of sniffpetrol notoriety):
"No.26 Alfa Romeo Arna:
Some time around the dawn of the 1980s Alfa needed a new entry-level model. At the same time Nissan wanted a car they could build in somebody else's European factory, thereby dodging a 'gentlemen's agreement' that limited the number of vehicles that could be imported into the EEC from Japanese factories. The two companies decided to collaborate.
The way you would have done this was simple. God, it was simple. A child could have worked it out. In fact, a child would have found it insultingly straightforward and given it to their dog, who still would have cracked it in about five minutes flat. You'd get the Italians, with their rich heritage of sculptural beauty and their ability to imbue mere mechanical things with a heart and personality that makes you soul sing, to sort out the looks and the chassis. And you'd ask the Japanese, with their meticulous attention to detail and their ability to make even the cheapest, most mundane object with precision and everlasting quality, to sort out the functional aspects of actually getting the thing made.
So what did Alfa and Nissan do? The exact opposite. Bravo!"
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And look at this, one solitary Mondeo was reg's as a Ghia X TDCi 140 in 2007, 2007 could have been MkIII or MkIV, the MkIII was known as a 130 and the MkIV, which were known as 140, were not available as Ghia X, rather Ghia or Titanium X.
howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/ford_mondeo_ghia_x_tdci_140
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Mark IV Mondeo was initially available as a GhiaX. Seems one sold.
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>> Mark IV Mondeo was initially available as a GhiaX. Seems one sold.
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No, Ghia only along with Titanium and Titanium X.
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Are you just a tiny bit worried that you know that Cheddar? I would be !
:-)
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Same as any other database, garbage in, garbage out; presumably the model info comes from the V5, one of my Omegas had a non existent model designation on the V5.
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Seeing as a Google search for "Mondeo Ghia X TDCi 140" returns 9 results, (compared to 77,800 for "Mondeo Ghia TDCI 140", 113,000 for "Mondeo Titanium TDCi 140" and 75,700 for "Mondeo Titanium X TDCi 140"), I'm inclined to agree it's an error.
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Only eight Skoda Estelle's left alive.
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>> Only eight Skoda Estelle's left alive.
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I think we did a simultaneous 'post message' there! As you say a search for Estelle only gives 8, but search for 120L, 120 LSE etc. gets a few more, nearly 50 Rapids! I think VAG pretend the Estelle didn't exist and spares availability was difficult even 10 years ago.
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I've just looked at the Skoda Estelle and only found about 10 in the country, but then just did a search for 'skoda' and this brought loads mor eresults for 120LSE, 136 rapid etc. So it's hard work getting anything like a definitive number; still an interesting site though.
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Skoda Estelle and only found about 10 in the country
Sounds too few to me. Properly maintained they can be kept going for ever.
In fact saw one the other day, a bodykitted 136 Rapid that I've seen before. It must live somewhere nearby.
I bet there are no 1950s Austin A70s on the list, but I saw one today, converted into a pickup and fairly shiny and well maintained, with an old-fashioned signpainted business logo on it.
A long time since I saw one of those.
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... and 88000 for "Mondeo Ghia X TDCi 130" ...
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>> Same as any other database, garbage in, garbage out; presumably the model info comes from
>> the V5, one of my Omegas had a non existent model designation on the V5.
The Vauxhall Victor FC series appears extent but there are still a handful of Victor 101s. But wasn't the model designation Victor FC101?
I could look for Dad's FC101 CUB 123C but I'm pretty sure it was iron oxide by 1970!!
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>> The Vauxhall Victor FC series appears extent but there are still a handful of Victor
>> 101s. But wasn't the model designation Victor FC101?
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>> I could look for Dad's FC101 CUB 123C but I'm pretty sure it was iron
>> oxide by 1970!!
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Yes, an FC was a 101. There were supposed to be 101 improvements over the FB.
As a child there was a friend of my parents who had a very special 101. I don't know the full details, but seem to remember a rolls royce engine. Just done a google and can't find any mention of it.
Most of them were rust within 5 years.
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>> Are you just a tiny bit worried that you know that Cheddar? I would be
>> !
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>> :-)
I know everything Humph, though because you don't know everything then you didn't know that I do know everything ...
;-)
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I can't find any Vanden Plas 4 Litre R (basically a princess with a 4-litre rolls engine), but its hard to be sure when the only way of searching is free text. They may just be listed in the 227 Princesses left
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One car that just won't die - there seem to have been 50-80 around for years!
howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/austin_nash_metropolitan
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SWM had a brand new Citroen Visa 10E Leader in '86...only 2 left !!
Ted
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No Jowetts surviving....very sad !
Ted
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So is your Jowett licensed for the road?
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>>So is your Jowett licensed for the road?<<
He takes it out onto the road, so it must be.
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I know it is - hence the ironic question. Which then questions how accurate the other figures are.
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Just a sample of some of my favourite cars:
Vauxhall Viva GT - 27
Astra GTE 16V - 180
Escort RS1600 - 37 - Doesn't distinguish between Mk1 or 11
Capri RS 3100 - 5 - Brooklands, Injections and Lasers seem to have survived better
RS2000 - 303 Doesn't distinguish between Mk1 or 11
Senator 24V - 210 - A beast in their time :-)
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>>RS2000 - 303 Doesn't distinguish between Mk1 or 11>>
There was also a 90's RS2000, not sure of the mark, probaly a MkV.
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Indeed but not a classic in my eyes. They did a 4wd version as well - 174 of those left.
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Good cars, the mk4 and 5 RS2000s. One of the last SVE tuned Fords. A much, much better car than its lacklustre underpinnings would suggest.
My uncle bought one new in 1994. Kept it years. Went like stink and thoroughly entertaining in the twisties.
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>> They did a 4wd version as well - 174 of those left
I worked with a chap in around 1998 who had an unmodified Escort Mk5 (not Mk6) RS2000 4x4 in absolutely mint condition. He bought it new in about 1995 with an eye to keeping it until its value began to increase, it seemed like a bit of a leftfield choice at the time but I can see the sense in it now. I hope he still looks after it.
IIRC The RS2000 had two small humps in the bonnet to distinguish it from lesser Escorts. Like this one:
www.autosnout.com/Car-Performance-Statistics.php?EditionID=246
EDIT: DP, your uncle didn't work as a driver/team leader for Currys Dixons Mastercare in Stevenage did he? :)
Last edited by: Dave_TDCi on Tue 14 Jun 11 at 23:44
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>> EDIT: DP, your uncle didn't work as a driver/team leader for Currys Dixons Mastercare in
>> Stevenage did he? :)
No, ironically he worked for Rover as a line electrician! :-)
The RS replaced a Rover 220 GTi which he bought with the generous staff discount, but which he never really got on with. The Escort was far superior to drive.
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I love all of those Fullchat.
Also, Escort XR3 (carb) down to 100 now. I had one, it was a beauty.
Only 1,434 XR3i and XR3 injection cars left too, again no distinction between Mk3, 4 or 5.
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>> Capri RS 3100 - 5 - Brooklands, Injections and Lasers seem to have survived better
There was only 250 RS3100's made 38 years ago!! And given their propensity to hurl backwards into ditches in the hands of the unwary, that's not bad going.
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>> Senator 24V - 210 - A beast in their time :-)
My mate just sold his. Lovely old thing. Like driving a very swift mattress! :-)
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>> One car that just won't die - there seem to have been 50-80 around for
>> years!
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>> howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/austin_nash_metropolitan
I saw one parked in the Greenwich park car-park a couple of weeks ago. I hankered after one in my youth, but never got. I understand they handled like pigs?
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I seem to recall a factory RWD road going RS badged MK3 escort....anyone else ?
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A member of a local motoring club 'made' one of those, unfortunately, he couldn't get it recognised in the trials class he wanted. I only saw it once, but I believe it still exists.
Can you imagine the amount of work involved in putting a RWD into a FWD bodyshell?
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>> Can you imagine the amount of work involved in putting a RWD into a FWD bodyshell?
Rover 75 V8 ;)
I thought the RWD Mk3 Escorts were only handbuilt racing cars, not factory-made.
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I remember seeing one in a garage, it was as new as damnit and proper looking - very tidy and hideously expensive
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>> I thought the RWD Mk3 Escorts were only handbuilt racing cars, not factory-made.
That's what I was told, Drove one at the Phil Price Rally school. I won the top student, the prize being to drive the Cosworth Sierra rally car round a full stage.
Mind competition was't tough, one guy couldn't even get his road car up the slight incline farm track to the rally school, and had to be towed up by tractor.
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"I seem to recall a factory RWD road going RS badged MK3 escort....anyone else ? "
RS 1700T PU. Development car that never really took off. Ford then went onto the RS200 project.
As Mk1 and 11s become older, rarer and more expensive companies started to produce conversion kits for the plentiful Mk3 shells so that the earlier, well proven, RWD running gear and suspension could be fitted. One such example was the Genesis conversion.
A friend of mine bought a Peugeot 205 similarly converted to take the RWD Ford running gear. Cracking car!
Likewise I have seen the early Focus similarly converted.
Let this wet your appetite:
www.rallycarsforsale.net/clas/index.php?ct=fsrca&md=details&id=50343
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>>I can't find any Vanden Plas 4 Litre R (basically a princess with a 4-litre rolls engine)<<
Here's a nice one in the never lands ~ www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C216942
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I went to a talk by one of the team that used these as support cars for the factory entered cars in one of the long distance rallies held back in the '70s.
It seemed to fare extremely well. The only problem being a coolant leak around the radiator pressure cap that was simply re-soldered.
This was a standard car with auto transmission, across deserts!
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Interesting when you look at cars that tend to stay on the road, like Volvo 240s.
The 240 GL has more cars SORNed then still on the road! Obviously your typical 240 owner has 1 they actually use and 2 or 3 more for spares.
So much for Volvo longevity mind. 20,000 were running around in 1994, only 466 still taxed now. No doubt there would be less if it wasn't for the stubbornness of Volvo owners! ;)
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>> So much for Volvo longevity mind. 20,000 were running around in 1994, only 466 still
>> taxed now. No doubt there would be less if it wasn't for the stubbornness of
>> Volvo owners! ;)
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I'd suspect that the main reason for their demise was fuel consumption. Lovely old buses though.
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Just checked this site again, it can now show combined statistics for all variants of a model. For example, instead of showing 102,000 "Cavalier L"s, 95,000 "Cavalier L hatch"s, 10,640 "Cavalier L auto"s etc, it can be set to aggregate all "Cavalier L" search results into one set of figures.
Makes it a lot more useable / greatly increases its timewasting potential*
*Delete as applicable.
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A lot better for wasting time now :-)
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How many xxx are left - Tigger
