Hi,
I am looking for 2 small diesel cars to be used for local deliveries. They will do 100 -170 miles a day
I am in Newcastle and prefer 5 doors and Air con
So far I have found the Kio Rio for £8995. Can Anyone suggest anything else?
Many thanks
Baz
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You might find a FIAT Panda 1.2 petrol nearly as economical, cheaper to buy, and more fun to tool around in.
I think diddy1234 has a diesel Rio - hard to get a decent sized car that suckles on the black teat for less.
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Bazza
Pal of mine uses Citreon C1's ( actually toyota so reliability built as standard ) his fleet of 6 Knocked up over 100K each in no time without any issues.
Very flexible engine ,3 dr model about 6995 do models with AC.
Ins group 1 and £20 year road tax. We have two for each of our daughters and they get around 72+ on a run and 57 running about local, 62ish overall.
With unleaded being around 1.33 and derv 1.39 petrol makes good sense.
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Hi,
Looking at Hyundai's and kind of having second thoughts as there seem to be a lot of unhappy owners. Brakes and gear selection seem to be common issues
1 x i20 1.2 Comfort 5 door will do about 15k a year.
1 x i20 1.4 comfort diesel 5 door Will do about 30k a year.
How do people think these will stack up over 3-4 years? I have wangled a deal on servicing as its quite a lot more than our current fiestas. Will I regret buying them.
For £3750 more I can get 2 x Fiesta 1.6 TDCI zetec 5 doors, with 5 years warranty or 100k warranty. these are on 60 plates and have about 8k on them
With reference to the C1's...I like them, but they dont suit our work
Comments welcome!
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Fiesta any day, the 1.6 Ford/PSA engine is great in the Fiesta, punchy and economical, the Fiesta will be better to drive and be worth more at the end.
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Fiesta 1.6 TDCi has a DPF, not what you want for "local deliveries... 100-170 miles a day".
The only reasonable size urban delivery fleet I know (a pizza co) uses a mixture of C1s and Pandas. The choice of Pandas was based on 10 years of running Puntos without major costs, believe it or not.
You don't necessarily want the outright best fuel economy, of greater importance is reliability especially if the work is carried out in the evenings and at weekends when it's all go, go, go and no mechanics are open.
Last edited by: Dave_TDCi on Sat 11 Jun 11 at 22:51
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I reckon a Ford will be the better workhorse - they usually are.
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Opps, a quick check on Google Earth shows them to be 107s, not C1s:
bit.ly/jwxXp5
Note the 4th one along has the roof sign turned sideways so it doesn't blow away above 80mph ;)
Last edited by: Dave_TDCi on Sat 11 Jun 11 at 22:56
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A DPF is fine over 100 + miles a day ...
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>> A DPF is fine over 100 + miles a day ...
As long as 30 of them are at a steady 2000rpm, I thought?
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The problem with DPF regeneration is the engine and exhaust getting up to temperature. For the OP I don't see a problem. The drive over 2000rpm is usually for forced regeneration if the car has not had the exhaust hot enough to auto regenerate.
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Bazza1603, thats not a bad price for a nearly new or new Rio diesel.
I am not sure if the current face lifted Rio has a DPF filter or dual mass flywheel.
However I know that on the Rio's on an 09 plate and before do NOT have DPF filters or dual mass flywheel.
The fuel economy is very good, I get between 55mpg and 60mpg these days but it does seem to be dependant upon temperature and the amount of miles clocked up.
I noticed fuel economy gradually got better around the 25,000 miles mark.
not sure how many other diesel drivers have noticed this.
Anyway, you couldn't go wrong with a Rio, Corsa or Fiesta diesel car.
There all good in different ways.
I would however reccomend a nearly new diesel with a few miles clocked up.
The initial fuel savings are not that great.
On average I was getting 46mpg to a full tank but this has got better with more miles.
Good luck with your purchase.
Last edited by: diddy1234 on Sun 12 Jun 11 at 10:16
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Just my few pennies worth I would buy two new basic Pandas 1.2.Whilst they are still produced in Poland.I beleive a new factory is opening up in Italy for the new Panda.Good luck with your purchase whichever you chose.Also petrol easy to service a good quality synthetic oil after firts service and they should last.Or two basic Puntos I had two diesel and petrol no problems,the 1.2 Punto petrol 8 valve was a excellent car and economical to run.
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Just been out and had a go in a 1.1 petrol...Actually very pleasently surprised and the 1.2 should be better.
1.2 Mylife with Aircon £7300 each and hes going to look at a discount for 2 tomorrow. This saves us £4650 as long as part exchanges are valued the same.
Servicing is 18k - anyone know costs
Is 50 mpg realistic? Time is money so they will be pushed upto the maximum speed limit quickly.
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hello, another Baz here....
We run 2 Pandas in the family, a 57 1.1 and an 08 1.2 Dynamic. We've put about 30K on them both in total in 2 years
Both average around 50 mpg, the 1.2 is currently averaging 53 ish. In winter they both drop to around 45 ish.
Servicing costs are minimal so far, I paid 90 quid for the last service on the 1.2 at a main dealer, to keep up the warranty. I service the 1.1 myself, it's simple and will probably diy the other from now on. Simplest car I've worked on in years.
No faults to date, not a thing. Changed pads in both at 20K, they were half worn and grotty after the harsh winter. Exhaust back boxes look like they'll go in the next year or so.
I paid 3 K for the 1.1 2 years ago and have lost virtually nothing. I paid 5.5 K for the 1.2 and have lost probably 1.5 K in 18 months, , so depreciation is also pretty good.
To drive, they're fun and basic, that's part of the charm. Handling is fine, although a bit of body roll and the limits are quite easy to find as tyres are narrow. In the wet the limits are really quite low, but fine at normal road speeds. Engines are terrific rev-tastic Italian gems, with ( I think) non interference belts. Both keep up with the traffic easily with a suprising turn of speed, the 1.2 has a little more to it and is nicely geared for the motorway, about 3200 rpm at indicated 70. Road noise is much more pronounced in the 1.1, which seems to have less sound proofing generally.
In summary, great little runabouts and ideal for our mixed local use. If you need more comfort, refinement, ability, space and performance, I would choose the Fiesta but for basic transport the Pandas are great.
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Played it safe and got Fiesta 1.6 TDCI. Very nice and much better than the I20's. Paid £400 more for a 5 year 100K warranty
However still believe the Panda would have done a canny job!
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Hi,
Little update .
Hyundai's we found didnt suit business use. Breakdown cover is not valid, and unlimited mileage reduces to 100k or 5 years if you using it for business use.
So Panda against the Fiesta. Heart said Panda, mind said Fiesta! (also better P/X value on current Fiestas).Fleet servicing made the Fiesta much cheaper to service and they will be gone by the 1st timing belt change. The main decider is we have ran Fiestas for over half a million miles without a major issue since 2004.
So we ended up with 60 Plate fiesta 1.6 tdci econetic 5 doors with 5k on them for just over £10k. Currently averaging 71mpg running them from newcastle to Teesside everyday if your careful.
I like the Bluetooth system, it seems much better than in our previous generation Fiestas. Also like the fact no fuel cap to remove and you cant misfuel - handy as it does happen to us! Also its has heated front screen...very handy for the cold mornings.
1.6 engine is a much better unit than the 1.4 TDCI. However the gearing for this model needs you to change up a little bit later. The light on the dash telling you to change is a little bit annoying.
Also got a spare wheel and jack in exchange for the air compressor's
Hopefully the next 200k will go smoothly!
Thanks
Barry
Last edited by: Bazza1603 on Fri 1 Jul 11 at 21:59
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>> Also got a spare wheel and jack in exchange for the air compressor's
Now THAT was a smart move - well done!
Sounds like you did all right in the end - 71 mpg for a high mileage user - result!
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...The main decider is we have ran Fiestas for over half a million miles without a major issue since 2004...
Surprised you bothered to think about anything else.
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Hi,
I did try Mr Ford 1st Reason but the reason why I looked elsewhere was down to price and budget. Cost for 2 new, more basic models 1.4 Fiesta's was £4.5k for the two cars from dealers that had get stock....
You have to watch the pennies at the minute..
Baz
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...You have to watch the pennies at the minute...
Fords have always been good workhorses if you get the right one, but they are no longer cheap.
The trade off is they now drive better than the competition, and are just as nice to be in.
There's every chance your new Fiestas will serve you as well as the old ones.
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