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Last edited by: VxFan on Mon 9 May 11 at 00:59
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Advanced warning that if you have Sky and rely on the series link to automatically record the qualifying on Saturday - it won't have put it into your Sky+ planner.
The qualifying session is being shown on BBC2 instead between 11am and 13:30 because airbag kicking has taken priority on BBC1.
Not sure if this affects other PVRs as well.
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@ VxFan
Thank you, would have missed it. Why do the ******* do that? Surely the most thick football fan can find BBC2...What's the issue having the one off match on BBC2?
Er indoors had the Royal Wedding all planned in advance for viewing and told me that ITV were planning to show it without adverts...no chance...until I breath my last breath I will have nothing to do with ITV, because they put adverts in the middle of F1. Why bid for the sodding thing if they're going to ruin it like that?
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Calm down dear it's only a commercial...
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>> Calm down dear it's only a commercial...
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Very good....and most topical.
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>> @ VxFan
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>> Thank you, would have missed it. Why do the ******* do that? Surely the most
>> thick football fan can find BBC2...What's the issue having the one off match on BBC2?
The answer is - BBC2 is still 2 years away from broadcasting in HD. tinyurl.com/3patos3 . The airbag kicking was obviously far more important to be shown in HD than F1 qualifying was.
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My prediction:
Kobayashi and Massa to make the most overtaking moves. Both in top seven.
Button and Hamilton to rue their decision to waste a set of option tyres. Both below fourth.
Webber and Vettel in top three.
Rosberg and/or Schumacher in top five.
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>> My prediction:
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>> Kobayashi and Massa to make the most overtaking moves. Both in top seven.
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>> Button and Hamilton to rue their decision to waste a set of option tyres. Both
>> below fourth.
Hamilton tries too hard, and has an off.... fails to finish.
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FWIW My prediction...
1 Webber
2 Vettel
3 Massa
4 Hamilton
5 Rosberg
6 Button
7 Kobyashi
8 Schumey
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Ah well, top three manufacturers correct and 4, 5, 6 correct.
Quite an enjoyable race but the DRS does give a very distinct advantage in the right conditions. Makes for some overtaking though, which was lacking before.
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Its all about tyres thats for sure, another entertaining race, supreme Vettel did his thing, dominant doesnt begin to describe it.
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Eddie thinks the overtaking is now too easy. He might be right. Any easier and they might as well blue flag anybody you can get up behind.
Some would say that's OK, the result will reflect the pace of the car and driver - but perhaps less of the racing ability and character, which would be a shame.
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Some overtakes seemed quite hard, Massa seemed to be struggling, so I dont think its as easy as all that. Obviously if people are on differing strategies then yes the difference is big, but that would be the same without the gadgets - I saw a fair few overtakes outside of DRS.
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In the 100 best sporting moments compiled some years ago by the BBC, the lead in a saloon car race changed several times a lap...
Ford Escort that went round corners, vs American car that walked all over it on straights, but could not go round corners for tuppence.
It's a race at Crystal Palace and is of course only black and white, but if you ever get the chance to see it, you'll be on the edge of the sofa for the whole time.
F1 will never get like that, but I do think its got better.
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>>Some overtakes seemed quite hard, Massa seemed to be struggling>>
Mass made some good moves and got past Rosberg and Hamilton early on, later on he was in some three or more car battles which highlighted one of the DRS issues.
I.e. Cars A & B come up behind car C, car A uses DRS to pass car C though because Car C is now close behind car A car C can use DRS and therefore car B does not have the same advantage in passing car C that car A had until car A has pulled out a gap on car C.
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Well well... MS made a complete pigs ear and ass of himself today. Honestly, he shouldn't be there, the kids own him.
And How do we feel about the commentary team of Coulthard and Brundle? Doing a good entertaining and informative job in my book! In fact its the best pairing since Hunt and Walker, possibly better.
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>> In the 100 best sporting moments compiled some years ago by the BBC, the lead
>> in a saloon car race changed several times a lap...
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>> It's a race at Crystal Palace and is of course only black and white, but if you ever get the chance to see it, you'll be on the edge of the sofa for the whole time.
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>> F1 will never get like that, but I do think its got better.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY5zdnGvT0c&feature=related
www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDAK4jBKmow&feature=related
A few less cameras in those days
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Yes that race with the Cortinas and the Galaxies was a classic for sure, however nothing comes close to the great days in the 80/90s of BTCC. It was the nearest thing we have had to a Circus Maximus in the UK since Constantine III left in ad 407.
Last edited by: Zero on Sun 8 May 11 at 20:10
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Marshall, Rouse, Soper. I don't recall falling asleep during any race they were competing!
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>> Marshall, Rouse, Soper. I don't recall falling asleep during any race they were competing!
yeah - and
Clelland, Tarquini, Biela, Rydell, Gravett, Harvey, Sytner, Hoy.
BMWs, Fords, Volvos, Renaults, Hondas, Alfas, Peugeots, Audis,
Motor sport really didnt get any better than that.
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>> >> Marshall, Rouse, Soper. I don't recall falling asleep during any race they were competing!
>> yeah - and Clelland, Tarquini, Biela, Rydell, Gravett, Harvey, Sytner, Hoy.
>> BMWs, Fords, Volvos, Renaults, Hondas, Alfas, Peugeots, Audis,
>> Motor sport really didnt get any better than that.
And don't forget the late 70's early 80's when Toyota showed the big boys a thing or 2... and it wasn't even a factory team...... (was backed by Toyota, but not built by them...)
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Asked by an interviewer yesterday how many cars would be in front of him on the grid, Kamui Kobayashi said with a modest smile:
'26. No, 24. Lot of cars. Try.'
Admirable economy of words, and he didn't start by saying: 'Yeah, well, .... ' like almost everyone else. In the race, he got up to P5 on his first set of hard tyres, after that dropping back as far as 17th before working back up to 10th and a point or two. Not McLaren's day or Button's or Schumacher's or Barichello's or Massa's, but Ferrari coming back up there and Alonso actually driver of the day I thought (not counting Kobaayashi that is).
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Great clip, those firebreathing snorting RS500 - fabulous.
Onto
The famous Cleland / Soper clash
view from about 3.30 onwards
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCij9mYIokA
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>> www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCij9mYIokA
Great clip. Cleland was always one of my favourites. So aggressive on track, and so outspoken off it. A proper, 'win, or crash trying' racer.
If I had to pick a favourite motorsport discipline and era, this early-mid 90's BTCC would probably win. It was real, ultra-close, incident packed, panel bending racing, driven by some real characters who weren't immune to the odd liberal dose of red mist.
The stuff all good motorsport is made from. :-)
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don't worry about the scheduled programmes, if you have Sky, go onto BBC, press the red button, then select 3001. All the practice sessions as well as qualifying are covered on this interactive channel, starting on thursdays.
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And on Freeview selct 301 for the same thing, PLUS they show classic GPs on GP days.
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Started 15th, about where he usually does. Rear tyre destroyed on first lap by contact. After pitting, made those tyres last until lap 28 or 29 when they started to fall off. By that time he had devoured all the tail-enders up to 13th. With new tyres, back in 18th or so, started eating them all up again, but had to pit for a third time. Nevertheless squeezed into the points. And without the extra pit stop and its 20sec+ time penalty, he might have been vying with Schumacher for 6th.
When will someone give this man a steed (and team backing) worthy of his talents? The front end of the race was so exciting and eventful that we only saw one Kobayashi overtake. It was smooth, delicate and perfect. He was faster than anyone else on the track behind Alonso.
The champs all did OK on a slightly wearing day. Alonso's sensational start cheered his local fans up. Nevertheless they applauded Button, a rather late third, more heartily than they did Alonso's old nemesis Hamilton, who was as fast as Vettel and might have won with a slight change of luck. Wasn't poor Webber's day though.
Great race, the real thing.
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>>He was faster than anyone else on the track behind Alonso. >>
No surely, Heidfeld came up from last to 8th, drive of the day in many respects, and not just because his car was faster than others, he also passsed his team mate who started 6th.
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Perhaps being a bit over-enthusiastic there Cheddar. My contention that he might have been vying for 6th was a guess too because I don't know the time difference to 10th. Overall he was very impressive though as usual.
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Kobi didnt have the pace for 6th though Heidleld was quickly on the back of the Mercs, Rosberg and Schu who finished 7th and 6th and would surely have passed them for 6th had he had a couple more laps.
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IMO the current tyre rules have not caught up with the aim of tyres that do not last so long.
Allowing tyre changes when the race was red flagged seems a farce.
F1 is becoming more like dodgem cars.
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Its been actioned packed and exciting all season, not dodgem cars but eventful. I thought that if a race was red flagged at that late stage then the race was over.
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Shame about the tyre change during the red flag stop, otherwise that ending could have been stormer.
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The most fun ive seen at Monaco for years. Not good for Lewis, he seemed to find every accident going and I couldnt help wondering had he been where Jenson was, he would have had a go at Alonso/Vettel.
All good fun though, few nasty bumps, more overtaking than I ever thought possible and the smiling german extends his lead further. In the bag me thinks now, he will have to be pretty consistantly poor to loose the lead now and I cant see it.
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>> The most fun ive seen at Monaco for years. Not good for Lewis, he seemed
>> to find every accident going and I couldnt help wondering had he been where Jenson
>> was, he would have had a go at Alonso/Vettel
Hamilton was the common factor in those accidents. Trying just the wrong side of hard enough.
Never mind Hamilton, if JB had been where JB was, without the redflag and the tyre change, Vettel's goose would probably have been cooked. Alsonso & Button were robbed, and I'm sure Vettel would rather have triumphed without being handed the race by the last accident - something that has probably occurred to Hamilton.
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>> Not good for Lewis, he seemed to find every accident going and I couldnt help wondering had he been where Jenson was, he would have had a go at Alonso/Vettel.
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Yeah and punted them off, he deserved the penalties he got and then some. It's no coincidence that he has been in front of the stewards as much as he has. Williams must be livid.
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>> It's no coincidence that he has been in front of the stewards as much as he has.
Asked why that was the case, he replied apparently in jest: "Maybe it's because I'm black. That's what Ali G says."
news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/13588664.stm
He's apologised now :)
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>> He's apologised now :)
Sorry - just seen that rtj had already posted that.
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>> Yeah and punted them off, he deserved the penalties he got and then some. It's
>> no coincidence that he has been in front of the stewards as much as he
>> has. Williams must be livid.
And made more clean passes than anyone else in the last 5 years, certainly more than Massa who days at Marinello must be limited.
Trouble with Hamilton is that he can not channel his frustration (He would have been on pole or second had they managed FP3 a little better and not had the red flag) into fast, aggressive but just legal driving, he oversteps the boundaries under pressure.
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>> Trouble with Hamilton is that he can not channel his frustration (He would have been
>> on pole or second had they managed FP3 a little better and not had the
>> red flag) into fast, aggressive but just legal driving, he oversteps the boundaries under pressure.
He's got a bit of the hooligan in him which I admire, but that's alright in a drifting competition, not so good when you're trying to win an F1 race. I'd still like him to get past the Red Bulls, someone else needs to take the lead to spice things up and stop it becoming boring. I was all for Vettel at first, but it's starting to get monotonous. I've said it before - we need some rain.
Love the exhaust noise off throttle on the Renaults of Petrov and Heidfeld, noisier than the other cars.
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In the chicane
Hamilton vs Massa - Hamilton penalised
in same spot, Hamilton allowed Schumacher a wide berth. Same with Petrov - see here 3 seconds from start of clip:
news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/13588810.stm
Webber shunted Hamilton off on a bend in Singapore last year - it was judged a "racing incident" - 13 seconds from start oft his clip
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ynp28-jt8J0
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Hamilton was joking earlier and might either got himself or the FIA in a bit of bother ;-) He was asked why he had been in front of the stewards 5 out of the 6 races. His reply was 'it's probably because I am black. That's what Ali G says'. Clearly he was joking but the FIA will have to be careful how they respond I guess.
I don't think his penalties or that of the other driver on the same corner deserved a penalty.... it's racing.
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Just the typical whinging whining Hamilton really, he is always the same when things don't go his way !
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>> Shame about the tyre change during the red flag stop, otherwise that ending could have been stormer.
Button would have had an exciting finish - changing tyres at that point was wrong.
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why were the pit crew working on the cars on the track under red flag rules without any fire protection above the shoulders? surely that is dangerous
and why is monoco 1 hour 10 minutes ahead of us here in blighty (according to martins time keeping)
Last edited by: zookeeper on Sun 29 May 11 at 20:30
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Another eventful, interesting race. Various shocks to various systems Monaco being what it is, but class will tell...
Of the class, Vettel had some good luck, Button some bad luck, Alonso gritty and professional, Webber unlucky again, Hamilton off-song or off-colour and uncharacteristically playing dodgems having had spectacularly bad luck in qualifying and a bit more in the race.
My tip for future champion or anyway lots of fireworks, Kamui Kobayashi, again too classy for his shirt. Driver of the day unless you give it to Alonso. Didn't put a wheel wrong and deserved his points. Now closing in on Schumacher in the middle-ranking points race.
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How could Red Bull have got it all so wrong, yet still come out on top?
Brilliant!
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I can only assume Red Bull expected some safety cars to make the tyres last on Vettel's car. Most of the race on the same tyres was a bit of a gamble. Worked though. Bet they were pleased with the red flag stoppage. Otherwise their gamble might have not paid off - Button would have probably won.
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Certainly the season is prob still wide open as both McLaren and Ferrari are just about there although they both need to stick it to Red Bull in Canada where they have the advantage track-wise.
Red Bull may not stay ahead long enough to cover off everyone as their pace seems to be qualifying biased whereas the other two seem stronger in the races. Still looking good for the fans.
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Did anyone else see Vettel spray one of the Palace Guards in the mush with champagne?
He showed amazing restraint. Didn't even flinch.
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No, of course it isn't and he knows it. It was because he was playing dodgems in the midfield. And it was a joke, albeit a slightly bitter one. Nor was it in my opinion in particularly bad taste... but many would say that my own standards in this area are of the lowest.
However any huffing and puffing by the F1 authorities will sound pompous and hollow. After all F1 racing itself is a vulgar, garish and noisy spectacle. It doesn't specialize in good taste.
On Hamilton feeling miffed, anyone might. One has seen quite a few drivers get away with the sort of manoeuvres that twice caused contact in the Monaco race, Hamilton among them. And one has seen many other drivers, as well as Hamilton, managing not to turn in and cause contact when someone has made the same move on them. He was very unlucky, twice, and he had been very unlucky in qualifying. Enough to make anyone feel grouchy and want to spread the blame a bit.
When LH first went to drive for Mclaren, Ron Dennis would boot any journalist who even mentioned race straight out of the door. It goes without saying that there cannot be any 'institutional racism' in F1. But that doesn't exclude the possibility of racism on the part of individuals, any more than this site's officially non-racist stance excludes the possibility of some members having racist views or attitudes.
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>> On Hamilton feeling miffed, anyone might. One has seen quite a few drivers get away
>> with the sort of manoeuvres that twice caused contact in the Monaco race, Hamilton among
>> them. And one has seen many other drivers, as well as Hamilton, managing not to
>> turn in and cause contact when someone has made the same move on them. He
>> was very unlucky, twice, and he had been very unlucky in qualifying. Enough to make
>> anyone feel grouchy and want to spread the blame a bit.
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Agreed. If anything, the losers Maldonado and Massa who got nil points will learn that it does not pay to block in that manner.
Maldonado veered from the racing line, as this side by side stills comparison of Lewis overtake of Schumi and Maldonado at the same point shows.
img10.imageshack.us/img10/3530/6a42e56c4c.jpg
Maldonado made two blocking moves - see onboard footage
www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYiNKYaviZI&feature=related
www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2011/05/31/williams-points-2011-bittersweet/
"Williams technical director Sam Michael described the collision with Lewis Hamilton that caused Maldonado’s retirement from sixth place as “a racing incident”.
Incident with Massa - onboard footage from Lewis shows Massa closes door on Lewis while trying to pass Webber on the inside.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT-dJMBiZhQ
Other footage shows Massa looking at Lewis in his mirror before closing door on him.
If Lewis did not race as he does, you would be deprived of shows such as this of him vs Vettel (six minutes of thrilling racing by them both):
www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkLZBxHWRXA&feature=related
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>> Agreed. If anything, the losers Maldonado and Massa who got nil points will learn that it does not pay to block in that manner. >>
Tosh!
Hamilton was shown the way by Schumacher early in the face though couldn't pull it off himself.
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>> Hamilton was shown the way by Schumacher early in the face though couldn't pull it
>> off himself.
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Tosh.
Schumacher overtook because he took a gamble and the driver he was overtaking either didn't realise quickly enough or immediately saw what was happening.... and then let it happen rather than have an accident.
When Hamilton did the same on Massa, Massa initially didn't realise, then tried to prevent it...and they tangled, despite Hamilton diving in early and being well committed.
The Maldonado one was more marginal, because Hamilton was further back..however, again Maldonado tried to prevent it happening.
I have no problem with drivers trying overtakes or indeed others trying to prevent them, that's what the sport is about....but to try to say that Hamilton's Massa overtake was poor driving, when Schumacher's Hamilton one was not is clearly wrong...the only difference was the overtaking driver in the first instance, wisely let it happen rather than have an accident..in the second the driver closed the door, despite an accident being then virtually guaranteed.
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Not quite the same. Schumacher was parallel with Hamilton before Hamilton turned for the bend, whereas Hamilton lunged from behind Massa. Poor driving from Hamilton but thats sport so move on.
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>> Not quite the same. Schumacher was parallel with Hamilton before Hamilton turned for the bend,
>> whereas Hamilton lunged from behind Massa.
Hamilton didn't try to block at all.........Massa did.
It's the overtaking driver's responsibility to get it done cleanly, so it is down to Hamilton...but equally so the driver being overtaken needs to be sensible as well...and Massa wasn't.
If Hamilton had turned in to Scumacher half way through Schumacher's manoeuvre, then there would have been a shunt....there wasn't because Hamilton didn't do that.
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Hamilton couldnt really though, as he hadnt quite arrived at the corner, Schumacher had the inside line by the time they turned in.
I agree that Massa had a choice, but in that situation I wouldnt expect any driver in F1 to move aside. The Schumacher - Hamilton manouvre was different.
Even Brundle and Coulthard agreed the penalty for him was right.
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I agree with PR, this weeks Autosport also gives Hamilton a slating.
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>> Hamilton couldnt really though, as he hadnt quite arrived at the corner, >>
Which is exactly what Massa did.
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>> >> Hamilton couldnt really though, as he hadnt quite arrived at the corner, >>
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>> Which is exactly what Massa did.
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No, Schumacher's move on Hamilton was much cleaner than Hamilton's on Massa.
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>> Schumacher's move on Hamilton was much cleaner than Hamilton's on Massa.
Cleaner schmeaner. Every one is different. Neither of Hamilton's attempts looked absurdly over-ambitious to me, to the extent one can judge by watching the race on TV. Ambitious yes, impossible no.
Look Cheddar, when a move like that is made on a driver he can choose to collide or stay out of the way. I've seen Hamilton stay out of the way on the rare occasions when he is the victim; and I've seen others stay out of the way on the more numerous occasions when Hamilton's the perpetrator.
Massa in particular being an experienced driver not in the front running made a massive booboo at least, perhaps a malicious move. The good thing of course was that both the drivers who chose, or looked as if they chose, to collide with Hamilton came off worse. Perhaps though they both hoped they would put him out.
He was very unlucky, twice, against inferior drivers. Whether he 'deserved' penalties for these racing incidents I don't know, but it's a fact that others in the past have got away with much worse unpenalized, including Schumacher and the sainted Senna, not a favourite of mine.
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Read this week's Autosport AC, the general view is that Hamilton is in the wrong.
Inferior drivers, well Massa was within an inch of the title in 2008 in an inferior car and probably deserved the title more than Hamilton having been let down by his car in Hungary for instance when driving away from the field.
And Maldano, he has done great things getting into F1 though it is early days in F1 so you can't call him inferior.
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>> Inferior drivers, well Massa was within an inch of the title in 2008 in an
>> inferior car and probably deserved the title more than Hamilton having been let down by
>> his car in Hungary for instance when driving away from the field.
You are allowing your bias to shine through again ched, Yes Massa is an average driver at best with below average (for a F1 driver ) aggression. Deserved to win the title in 2008? He was only in with a shout because the stewards docked Hamilton points. He has been shown up badly by Allonso, and he cant even get up there to make a job of minding Allonso's back door, so he has little worth to the team, Massa will be on his toes down to the Sa Paulo job centre pretty soon.
As for Hamilton? In Monaco he allowed his petulant annoyed upset boy to take over. That attempt by him to pass at the Hairpin? He had been raped with his pants down by Schummie there earlier and his attempt at the same move was, quite frankly poorly timed crap. His brain wasn't in gear from the moment final timed practise went pear shaped. And it showed.
>> And Maldano, he has done great things getting into F1 though it is early days
>> in F1 so you can't call him inferior.
He has a future that boy.
Last edited by: Zero on Fri 3 Jun 11 at 07:58
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>>And it was a joke, albeit a slightly bitter one. Nor was it in my opinion in particularly >>bad taste.
I'm with you on that one AC. He quoted Ali G.... that was a joke. If he truly thought it was his colour that was causing him problems...he's hardly going to quote someone who parodies stereotypes and takes the 'p' out of the stuffy..is he?
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Vettel has the championship sewn up, a race row is all we have to keep the summer alive in F1. Crashgate, spygate, must be racegate this year surely or Vettel to be caught with a screwdriver under Lewis' car overnight - tampergate.
Whether people like it or not Lewis is frankly the ONLY driver out there who has the raw ambition and belief to atleast try and beat Vettel. If he fails, the latter half of the season will be something of an anti-climax.
Last edited by: FoR on Thu 2 Jun 11 at 21:05
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Or money as its otherwise known.
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Bahrain is still scheduled as of today.
It's a safe bet that the teams aren't keen, especially as it means extending the season, but for all sorts of other obvious reasons as well. Even MacLaren, more or less half owned by the Bahraini royals, won't be too keen.
But everyone in the sport is keeping his head down, except the excellent Mark Webber who embodies several of Australia's characteristic national virtues. I think Massa may have spoken up too.
The way things look at the moment, it seems to me the race should be cancelled until next year. I don't imagine the rank-and-file political opposition in Bahrain (representing in the main the indigenous Shi'a population which alleges religious and class discrimination by the Sunni royalist regime) has anything against F1, quite the contrary probably. But the race will provide a world TV platform for any points they want to make. That means disruption at best, an embarrassing and nasty mini-bloodbath at worst. And a fairly high probability of a boycott by perhaps several teams if it does go ahead.
I would bet a fiver the race will be cancelled. Any takers?
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No. I said months back it wont happen. Its still not likely to happen.
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You are often right Zero. I hope it isn't the result of some sort of bargain with Beelzebub.
For a few years in the thirties and forties there used to be a Tripoli Grand Prix. Something to do with Mussolini no doubt.
Perhaps Libya can be stabilized in time to revive that as a stopgap. It's high time the Libyans had a bit of fun because Gaddafism is terribly boring for all but a favoured few.
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There are the sheer logistics of the thing. They group GPs together logistically, its no mean feat to ship this circus round the world. You cant just cut a gp from here and plonk it in there.
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Bernie blows with the wind .... and Jean Todt gets left holding the baby. What a pig's ear that lot was.
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Anyone watch this yesterday?
Recorded it and being fast forwarding through the non racing bits and got to the second BTCC race.
Shedden and Neal, team mates, going into the last corner of the race and for the second lap in a row, Neal misses his braking and puts the two of them off the track! Neal retired and Shedden managed to keep going on the gravel and came in 6th.
I suppose it helps that Neal's dad owns the race outfit!
On another note, I was wondering why Skoda do not join this race - thought it would be ideal marketing for the Octavia vrs?
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>> Shedden and Neal, team mates, going into the last corner of the race and for
>> the second lap in a row, Neal misses his braking and puts the two of
>> them off the track! Neal retired and Shedden managed to keep going on the gravel
>> and came in 6th.
>> I suppose it helps that Neal's dad owns the race outfit!
You had to laff really didnt you. It had a kind of inevitability about it.
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Yip, especially since he had done the same thing on the previous lap!
Wet racing is so much more enjoyable as a spectator sport than dry!
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Watched some of the Isle of Man TT racing on ITV4 last night.
Good stuff, one of the few motorsport events which give a real impression of speed when watched on the television.
I think there's a programme on most nights this week at 9pm.
Worth a look.
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I don't normally watch bike racing, but as I mentioned on here (or HJ) a year or 2 ago that on-board footage of Guy Martin doing a lap accompanied by his deadpan commentary is riveting. (Apologies if posted more recently.)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVXc29ZgutI
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Just finished watching the first night qualifying from Le Mans. I last went to the race in 2005 and am vastly overdue another trip!
(Watched it online on a friend's Sky account, naughty I know but it's with her permission!)
Q2 showing at 6pm-8pm BST and 9pm-11pm tomorrow (Thursday).
Last edited by: Dave_TDCi on Wed 8 Jun 11 at 23:24
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I can't watch motorcycle racing when there is a camera on the bike.
It genuinely makes me feel sick, like being on a rollercoaster.
This can happen with any film with fast moving pictures, another example that springs to mind is Harry Potter when they are playing Quidditch.
Wonder if Harry on a broomstick could beat Louis round a track.
Now there's thread drift!
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>> Wonder if Harry on a broomstick could beat Louis round a track.
You'll be suggesting next a race by a sports car and a helicopter next...
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Really enjoying the FP1 coverage, lots of interesting technical info. Vettel just stuffed his car into the barrier, track looks trickey atm.
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Mcnish has just totaled the Audi at the start
Live feed here.
www.justin.tv/6brian6#/w/1321411088
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Another major crash with an Audi coliding with a GT car
Mike Rockenfeller the driver.
Walked away from 180mph shunt backwards into the armco that destroyed the car.
Last edited by: henry k on Sat 11 Jun 11 at 22:01
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Just seen the latest one, at night too. He was flashing his lights to pass for about 10 seconds and the slower car still turned in on him.,
2 Audis down only one left.
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>> He was flashing his lights to pass for about 10 seconds and the slower car still turned in on him
Some discussion there as to whether the Audi LED lights are *too* bright...
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AT last the green flag, thats over two hours of yellow.
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>> AT last the green flag, thats over two hours of yellow.
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Eurosport reported that 127 ARMCO posts had to be replaced after that shunt so two hours seems amazingly quick.
With ex Stig racing the suggestion is that Phil King is the new Stig
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Just seen the clip on another news website. The safety barriers only just stopped that car. It could have been very nasty indeed.
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Watching Nascar qualifying, not watched it for a while, and I am really surprised where these cars have gone aerodynamically. Very low splitters and sides so low they are in effect skirts, means they are using heavy ground effect. Rear wings, and one I saw has asymmetric strakes, a kind of vertical splitter on the boot and c post only on the side furthest away from the wall. Clearly to obtain aerodynamic advantage from the wall.
I though Nascar really frowned on this kind of stuff, insisting on standard profiles and little aero,
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Highlights of the TT tonight on ITV4
Last edited by: VxFan on Sun 12 Jun 11 at 18:08
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Turkey GP - VxFan