Motoring Discussion > Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29	Miscellaneous
Thread Author: R.P.	Replies: 269

New Sun 16 Jan 11 20:10   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - R.P.

A thread to compare the costs of running two Bangers. Sure the management will whistle up a prize at the end. (If Stuart and Zero can enter the details of their cars below.) Any discussion in the actual competition thread will moved here. 100332 Last edited by: Pugugly on Mon 17 Jan 11 at 18:22 Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 16 Jan 11 20:12   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Before we start, anyone else wanna join in? Sure someone else here has a banger. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 16 Jan 11 20:14   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - RattleandSmoke

Could enter the Fiesta but I can't remember exactly how much has been spent on it, I do know it has done 35k in my dads ownership, the car cost £850 and we have spent probably around £500 a year on repairs. Three and a half years later with a full ticket it would be worth around £350-£400 as it is rusting. Dave DP has an Escort he could enter :) I think that has done very well. Ted's Vitara must be about 14 years old now, it isn't really a banger though, I think this thread needs to be about cheap cars. Last edited by: RattleandSmoke on Sun 16 Jan 11 at 20:15 Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 16 Jan 11 20:34   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Iffy

...Sure the management will whistle up a prize at the end... Make the winner a mod for a week? I so hope Zero wins.... Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 16 Jan 11 20:40   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - RattleandSmoke

A welding gun might be a more appropiate prize :). Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 16 Jan 11 20:40   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Old Navy

>> ...Sure the management will whistle up a prize at the end... >> >> Make the winner a mod for a week? >> >> I so hope Zero wins.... >> Zero with a fairy dust sprinkler, horrifying thought. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 16 Jan 11 20:49   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Kevin

>...Sure the management will whistle up a prize at the end... It'll be half a ploughmans. These mods have got previous. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 16 Jan 11 21:09   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Bellboy

how about arranging a check up from the neck up for the loser as zero will win unless his timing chain does a dangly? Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 16 Jan 11 21:15   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Well if this car doesnt work out, ill be spending a bit more next time. Ill be wrong for doing that too mind. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 16 Jan 11 21:21   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Iffy

...I'll be wrong for doing that too mind... Come on Stu, chin up. We're looking for a good contest here. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 16 Jan 11 21:32   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - bathtub tom

I'll withdraw, unless the forum wants a multi-way challenge? It'll have to include a maximum rev limit. ;>) Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 16 Jan 11 21:43   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Yeah, the Pride sounds like a good 3rd entry. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 16 Jan 11 21:45   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - R.P.

Carry on Tom ! Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 16 Jan 11 21:48   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Iffy

...Carry on Tom !... Need to amend the thread title which will soon become too long. Might I suggest: Bangernomics shoot out? Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 16 Jan 11 21:45   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Zero

sounds like a ringer to me. Last edited by: VxFan on Mon 17 Jan 11 at 01:08 Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 16 Jan 11 22:03   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Shamefully, ive posted in the technical forum in the BR :-) I know theres some less bias faces in there who may have forgotten me and have a fresh pair of eyes, see if I can get some direction, maybe save some pennies, who knows. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 16 Jan 11 22:14   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Runfer D'Hills

If Stu's still got that Suzuki a year today I will dance naked round Trafalgar Square with a rose in my teeth in the style of and indeed to the tune of Morecambe and Wise's "Bring me Sunshine"... :-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 16 Jan 11 22:16   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Old Navy

>> If Stu's still got that Suzuki a year today I will dance naked round Trafalgar >> Square with a rose in my teeth in the style of and indeed to the >> tune of Morecambe and Wise's "Bring me Sunshine"... >> >> :-) >> Forum meet???? Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 16 Jan 11 22:18   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - -

>> Forum meet???? >> That's a meet booked then, don't worry Hump i know how male strippers combat the effects of the cold etc...;) Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 16 Jan 11 22:19   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - swiss tony

>> If Stu's still got that Suzuki a year today I will dance naked round Trafalgar >> Square with a rose in my teeth in the style of and indeed to the >> tune of Morecambe and Wise's "Bring me Sunshine"... >> Stu.... you GOTTA keep that car! Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 16 Jan 11 22:23   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Iffy

...If Stu's still got that Suzuki a year today I will dance naked round Trafalgar Square... But at least Rattle will still be posting about ways to improve his lifestyle. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 16 Jan 11 22:45   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Kevin

>If Stu's still got that Suzuki a year today I will dance naked round Trafalgar Square with >a rose in my teeth in the style of and indeed to the tune of Morecambe and Wise's "Bring me >Sunshine"... A video of this could make a few bob. Humph dancing naked round Trafalgar Square being chased by pigeons and plod? I'm willing to invest a few quid to keep an old Suzuki on the road. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 17 Jan 11 10:14   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - teabelly

Can you do it in Congleton instead? Trafalgar square is too far to travel to see :-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 17 Jan 11 14:17   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

My wife said last night that if I keep this car two years, she will buy me a new car on finance herself. Id dust off your loin cloth Humph :-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 16 Jan 11 22:19   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - swiss tony

>> Shamefully, ive posted in the technical forum in the BR :-) >> I hope you wiped your feet when you came back in here...... ;-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 16 Jan 11 20:24   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - R.P.

Game On ! Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 16 Jan 11 20:26   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Aye, although ill have to keep it to win, that will challenge me. Will have to resign if the vibration thing is terminal but Im about 90% sure it is either fuel or electrics. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 16 Jan 11 20:29   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Old Navy

>> Will have to resign if the vibration thing is terminal but Im about 90% sure >> it is either fuel or electrics. >> Excuses already? Does my 2010 Ceed qualify? Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 16 Jan 11 20:29   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Nah, Id hand it to Zero if that happens, I know when Im beat. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 17 Jan 11 00:32   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - bathtub tom

>>..If Stu's still got that Suzuki a year today I will dance naked round Trafalgar Square... I'll drive the KIA there - I love driving it around London, even the taxis give way to my battered ole beast. ;>) Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 17 Jan 11 08:35   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Pat

Having seen Dave's car I think this is a serious contender and a possible winner. Pat Last edited by: pda on Mon 17 Jan 11 at 08:36 Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 17 Jan 11 09:32   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Iffy

...Having seen Dave's car I think this is a serious contender and a possible winner... It has an in-built advantage - it's a Ford. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 17 Jan 11 10:06   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

I think Cliff has already blown the chances of myself and Zero tbh. All hail! Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 17 Jan 11 14:14   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Right, mines booked in at Suzuki so if anyone wants to buy any organs, let me know :-) BR technical came up with failing coil pack, which was exactly the same thing the workshop manager at Suzuki said when I described symptoms. Always good when people start saying the same thing, lets hope if it is that, its not mega bucks. Bet it is, being a non-service item on an old jap car. Lalala... Last edited by: stunorthants29 on Mon 17 Jan 11 at 14:17 Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 17 Jan 11 16:53   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Mapmaker

Stu, why not just put a second hand unit in. £50. Rather than £1,000. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 17 Jan 11 16:55   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

£1000? Is that how much they are then? Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 16:54   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

I loose. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 16:58   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Zero

spill the beans? Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 17:01   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Its dropped a valve. Every cloud has a silver lining mind. Ive got £3500 to go buy something else. My nans idea that she cant take her money with her and her unwavering favoritism towards me over other grandchildren ( who can go 3 years without even a phone call ) meant a cheque was written before id even mentioned it ( id rang my dad ). Now the trick is to buy something that aint gonna break. Answers on my upcoming thread :-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 17:01   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - RattleandSmoke

I wes expecting you to get rid of it in March. Od hear :(. Not sure which was worse your Suzuki or my old Corsa. I think £1 per mile my Corsa was probably worse. Last edited by: RattleandSmoke on Mon 24 Jan 11 at 17:02 Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 17:02   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - R.P.

Damn - I was going to organise a bus. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 17:04   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Netsur

Diesel Berlingo Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 17:05   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - R.P.

No we definitely would have needed a bus to see Humph do his run ! Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 17:08   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Zero

WTF! What do you do to them? you punched a new mixing chamber for oil and water in the daewoe, and now you have broken this one big time? Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 17:10   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Zero

We had bigtee lining up an intercity 125! Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 17:15   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Ah well, Im buying main dealer this time so hopefully wont go through all this again for a while. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 17:18   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Zero

>> Ah well, Im buying main dealer this time so hopefully wont go through all this >> again for a while. I was going to ask if you wanted me to pop over and help you look for a car.... Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 17:23   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - RattleandSmoke

This is why I just didn't have the heart to buy a used car again. If you can get something with a decent warranty fair enough. My mate spent £6500 on his 206 GTI 2.0, fair enough it is a nicer car than my Panda but 5 years later the head gasket has gone, this is after spending £1k on a service. With any second hand car there is just too much luck involved. Stu used to take the mick out me a bit thinking how can I have such bad luck well now I hope he sees how. Now do you think the sellers were genuine or you do think they knew the engine was a time bomb? That is what hurt me the most about the Corsa, not the £1500+ I lost but I wonder if the seller knew the HG was going. Last edited by: RattleandSmoke on Mon 24 Jan 11 at 17:23 Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 17:20   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - madf

If you buy a Renault, you will! Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 17:24   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Chances of me buying a Renault are about the same as Zero giving me a grand for the Wagon R... Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 17:27   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Mapmaker

That's really bad luck, Stu. £3,500 won't go very far at a main dealer. cgi.ebay.co.uk/1998-MITSUBISHI-GALANT-V6-24-AUTO-BLUE-/280617680531?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item41561dfe93 Last edited by: Mapmaker on Mon 24 Jan 11 at 17:28 Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 17:28   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - nyx2k

do you think that you've been stiched up woth th elast 2 cars you bought. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 17:29   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - RattleandSmoke

That is what I want to know too :). Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 17:37   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Who knows, I dont really care. Im going for another small, cheap to run car. The salesman at the Suzuki dealer is the guy who sold me the Carry van back in 2005, very, very good guy, shoots from the hip as it were. I saw him briefly and he said, whatever make/model Im after, give him a list and he will source a car for me - Im going to see what he can come up with. They have a 5 year old Wagon R manual with 36k on the clock for £3.5k, looks tidy, but Im not gonna go for it as yet. There is also a 2008 Proton Savvy 1.2 with 10k up for £3.5k not too far away which looks good value and owners seem to rate them so ill have a look at that. What I really fancy is an Ignis as it seems loved by owners and the estate version looks my cup of tea - Im sure Mr Keen will find one if I ask. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 17:30   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - RattleandSmoke

Great car for the money, but the £3500 would probably just end up being spent on a years fuel supply for it. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 17:37   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Zero

www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201103377807800 Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 17:38   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

I hate Wether's. Almost as bad and dropped valves and cracked blocks ;-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 17:40   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Zero

I can flog you a nice nissan primera? £750 to you. As a mate, like. Last edited by: Zero on Mon 24 Jan 11 at 17:40 Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 17:41   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - RattleandSmoke

The Proton seems very good value, but they are rare and probably more expensive to insure. I think I see about one savy every couple of months. How easy would it be to get parts? Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 17:43   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

The Daihatsu dealer I use for the wifes car also does Proton which is 13 miles away. No issue there. It is expensive to insure, but then at my age and driving record, it makes little difference between a grp 4 car and a grp 10 ( about £8 pcm ). www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201102377108935/sort/priceasc/usedcars/price-to/4000/price-from/2000/maximum-mileage/up_to_60000_miles/maximum-age/up_to_7_years_old/model/savvy/make/proton/postcode/nn142xa/page/1/radius/30?logcode=p Last edited by: stunorthants29 on Mon 24 Jan 11 at 17:45 Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 17:56   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - R.P.

Stuart I would really suggest going as mainstream as possible, Ford, Vaxhall or VAG. Really sorry about the little car- any scrap value in the car ? Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 18:00   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Mainstream cars dont suit my needs which as ive discovered, is basically a Wagon R which has just the right space/running costs balance. Its quite likely that ill end up with either Suzuki or Daihatsu. Im toying with the idea of a 1.0 Sirion as the misses car has been faultless as has my customers Sirion. Last edited by: stunorthants29 on Mon 24 Jan 11 at 18:02 Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 17:59   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - bathtub tom

Tough luck. Did it go with a bang, or could it just be a head off and valve replaced job? Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 18:01   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Its not gone bang, but apparently the engine has to come out on these cars to get at it, which means huge labour bill. Guy at service desk said its a shame because car is otherwise sound and a home mechanic could sort ot for small change. Ive emotionally detatched from it now. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 18:11   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - nyx2k

is it not worth getting a friend to help and doing most of the labour of removing the gine yourselves and maybe the bill would keep to a reasonable amout. are they not meriva size those wagon r's. with your luck id be tempted to go against my principles and get a mondeo estate suitable for your work Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 18:18   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Skoda

What are you doing with it Stu? I doubt it'd get much scrap wise, it doesn't weigh much :-( Driveway project and sell it for a holiday fund bonus once fixed? I'd definitely be thinking something really mainstream for the next one. £3k is a lot to loose on some far eastern box when it rots through or pops a con rod through the block. With a petrol focus estate or something of that ilk, there's not much that can't be bought out the scrappies (inc. a new engine) easily and cheaply. EDIT: nyx2k beat me to it :-) Last edited by: Skoda on Mon 24 Jan 11 at 18:19 Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 18:36   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Iffy

Another vote for a mainstream make. But we know he'll not listen. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 18:45   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Ill flog it as a dodgy runner, I expect someone will bite, look at the Espero, that didnt even start. Im looking to get something 3-5 years old and Im sorry but looked at Ford Fusion ( which is what id want from Ford ) and they arent cheap. Vauxhall havent anything in my price range and tbh, there are few mainstream cars for my budget that wont be a bit leggy, which defeats the object of spending real cash as I want something hassle free for a while. That means something that hasnt got a stack of miles on it and something that isnt very old. Suggest something mainstream if it fits in the up to 5 years old, small mpv/estate with highish seating and no more than 40k on the clock with budget of £3.5k - with the proviso that it has no common faults. The Fusion is the closest I could find for that but they are thin on the ground really and I didnt like the Fiesta its based on so may not like the Fusion to drive anyhow. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 18:59   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - PeteW

Toyota Yaris Verso? Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 19:01   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Yeah, I know them, my mum and dad had a new Verso in 2001, which they liked, odd looking thing though. Still seem to be questions about the VVti engines and oil consumption at the age id be buying. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 19:03   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - PeteW

>>odd looking thing though Surely this is a plus going on recent history? ;-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 19:10   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - slowdown avenue

ill second that, Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 19:01   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Iffy

...Suggest something mainstream if it fits in the up to 5 years old, small mpv/estate with highish seating... There are six Focus estates on autotrader which are all under 60,000m and fit the criteria, provided you can get a few hundred knocked off for cash. tinyurl.com/5ushsv5 Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 19:03   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

The high seats criteria is important, which rules out the Focus ( ive driven these many many times and the seats aint comfy let alone high set ). Its also way too big. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 19:06   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Iffy

... high seats criteria is important, which rules out the Focus... Surprised you found that Stu, seats on the Focus are higher than the likes of the Golf or Civic. Some people criticise the Focus for being too 'sit up and beg'. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 19:10   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

No, the sort of cars the ive found best for my back are cars that are about Subaru Forester height, which is why something like the Ignis is perfect - I also recall someone on here saying they had like theirs too. The Focus may not be a sportscar, but I know from cleaning them that id do alot of bending to get stuff out the boot - the Wagon R is great in that respect because the height of the roof meant no bending either getting in the car or getting stuff out which is a normal part of my work. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 19:13   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Bellboy

height of the roof meant no bending either getting in the car or getting stuff out which is a normal part of my work. < >>>>>>> they might be easy to get in and out of even if you wear a top hat but they are low in the boot once you struggle to open the massive tailgate and stooping over to get stuff out of one of these even i dont like doing and my backs been fine for years so i dont want to go back there to vauxhall county Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 19:08   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Bellboy

what a heap of junk that suzuki is when its nearly 8 hours labour to swap a head over as bad as a rover 1400 to be quite frank stu i think you glory in buying tat that causes problems ok this time its not your money but if it was you would heed the advice on here and buy mainstream even if it has to be a 1.2 vauxhall agy no no healer pr a basic ford fusion as youve said buying something like an old ignis is pure long term madness Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 19:11   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Bellboy

anyway at the price you are pitching at is normal high rate finance stuff so you find a good mechanic save a grand and go down the auction that salesman is depending on you shooting from the hip and giving grandmas hard earned away of course,bet hes got the holiday brochures out already for him and his gall........ Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 19:16   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Well, ive looked at prices for the cars on my shortlist so I know what others are asking and if he can find a car that meets my brief for model and spec, no reason not to use his contacts and let him do the running, I wouldnt argue with a business making a profit. My list atm is: Suzuki Ignis 1.3 or Wagon R 1.3 Daihatsu Sirion 1.0 or or YRV 1.3 Mazda Demio 1.3 If I can find a Fusion ill consider it, but Im not travelling the country for one, I dont like them enough to. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 19:11   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Rattle did really well with a Corsa, as have others :-) An Ignis would be several years newer than anything mainstream... Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 19:28   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Lygonos

Get a new Panda. Make sure to pay at least £1 less than Rattle for bragging rights. Be bored as it requires no maintenance for the first 60k miles other than paying £££ for oil changes masquerading as services. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 19:31   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

They sell new Pandas for £3.5k? Why are they doing that? Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 19:33   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Lygonos

Because it's time for you to get a job flipping burgers and getting out of your rut. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 19:33   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - RattleandSmoke

They are £5995 from certain dealers, but for that the spec is fairly basic. Great in the city but for country roads and motorways a bit more power is really needed. I paid £6500 but I was fussy about the colour and the blue was £400 more expensive. I plan to keep it ten years so it should work out good value in the end. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 19:34   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Zero

You know, this tale reminds me of the Monty Python & the Holly Grail sketch. Stu is the black knight, getting his arms and legs chopped off, claiming "its only a flesh wound" Reply to this message | Report message       2

New Mon 24 Jan 11 19:36   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Ok ok ill shut up about me car stuff, hint taken. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 19:38   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Zero

No No dont do that - Its this kind of stuff that makes the site what it is! Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 19:39   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Yeah but there comes a point when your just a joke, I think the point has been reached :-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 19:41   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Zero

Anyway, in the spirit of the thread as intended. Mods! where is my prize! Roll it out - snappy now! Reply to this message | Report message       1

New Mon 24 Jan 11 20:00   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - R.P.

What about the others Zero ? - it's not just you in the game ! Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 19:51   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - spamcan61

Loads of Zafiras in your price range; plenty of room, high driving position, personally I wouldn't gamble on the 2.0DTi but petrol 1.8s do 33 around town 40 on a run. Mainstream car so most parts are cheap. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 19:40   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - VxFan

Look on the bright side Stu, at least we won't nag you about changing the brake fluid anymore ;o) Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 19:42   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

You wont know what ive bought, so you wont know what to nag about :-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 19:45   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Skip

Have you considered a used Panda Stu, it would seem to tick most of the boxes for what you want and they appear to be very reliable ? Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 19:46   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - RattleandSmoke

A car forum always needs a joker :). Stu there is just a touch of irony in all this I am sure you will see. Hopefully with your new £3500 a car you won't look back and you will see the funny side of all this. I try and see the funny side of my Corsa but I feel sick when I actually think of the sums involved. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 19:48   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - PeterS

How about a nice Skoda: www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201030364284153 I know it's not beige, but you can't have everything ;-) Reply to this message | Report message       1

New Mon 24 Jan 11 19:45   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Fenlander

Hold on a moment... dropped valve Stu... really? This is the sort of thing you see when a valve drops... www.elliottracingteam.com/Pictures/race9-2.jpg How can you have an engine with such a drastic failure and then be able to list it on Ebay as *drives pretty ok aside from a misfire *?? Last edited by: Fenlander on Mon 24 Jan 11 at 19:45 Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 19:51   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Because it drives pretty ok aside from a misfire. Im not sure of the technical stuff, but they said the valve needed replacing but that the car could go on some while yet before it expires. Since the engine hasnt been apart, its very true that the exact cause isnt known, just a best guess. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 19:53   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Skip

That sounds more like a burnt valve than a dropped one Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 19:55   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Maybe, I dont care, someone can have it for £25 so its not like its priced to do someone over. Ive got new money in my pocket, they can turn the Wagon into a coat rack if they wish. Last edited by: stunorthants29 on Mon 24 Jan 11 at 19:55 Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 22:34   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Dave_

>> someone can have it for £25 I'll have it for £25 Stu. I've got the time and the inclination to turn it into a couple of hundred quid if nothing else. Last edited by: Dave_TD {P} on Mon 24 Jan 11 at 22:35 Reply to this message | Report message       2

New Mon 24 Jan 11 22:37   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - swiss tony

>> >> someone can have it for £25 >> >> I'll have it for £25 Stu. >> Ill raise it to £26.... Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 22:38   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Zero

>> >> >> someone can have it for £25 >> >> >> >> I'll have it for £25 Stu. >> >> >> Ill raise it to £26.... I'll fold, too rich for me. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 19:56   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Fenlander

So it isn't a dropped valve at all. The main dealer seems to have completely failed in its diagnosis. In any case I bet if you took £500 of Nan's hard earned to a half decent indy they'd have it sorted even if it meant a replacement used engine. You said the car was otherwise perfect so better the devil you know?? In truth £3500 isn't much in the used car world... not nearly enough to pull away from the threat of problems... I'd be very wary of taking that as a *never have to spend anything on it* price point. Reply to this message | Report message       3

New Mon 24 Jan 11 19:57   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Maybe not, but my Charade was pretty good in that respect, only rattling brake pads and some sticking calipers in 2 years and 30k isnt bad. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 20:06   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - bathtub tom

When was its last MOT and what were its emissions (figures would help)? It's starting to sound not very serious. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 20:13   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Ive got the emissions sheet, which reading would you like to know? last MOT May last year at 30300, now got 35400ish. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 22:52   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - bathtub tom

>>Ive got the emissions sheet, which reading would you like to know? All of them please. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 20:07   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Lygonos

Phew lucky you got rid before it started costing phat! Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 20:28   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - RattleandSmoke

My dads Escort had a burnt valve, apart from the poor MPG it wasn't really an issue until the MOT time. Personaly if it passes the emissions I would live with the mis fire. A burnt valve out of 16 isn't going to make a piston go through the block is it. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 20:38   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Skip

It may of course not be simply a burnt valve, thats just my guess, but if they say that it just needs a valve replacing it really doesn't sound like a dropped valve as that would usually cause some pretty major damage as in that picture posted earlier. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 20:39   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Zero

It could be slightly bent and sticking. But I doubt if the garage knows that, I bet all they did is a compression test, Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 20:52   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - rtj70

This just proves Bangernomics might not be right for Stu now. He's just been given £3500. If he'd got that a few weeks ago and put it together with the purchase price, the £120 for welding and the £1000 set aside for the major work he'd have over £4500 to spend. Now you're talking a decent car like a Reliant or something ;-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 20:53   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Oh yeah, hadnt thought of a Reliant... ;-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 20:52   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Lygonos

Or noted a misfire and decided it was time to ca$h in... Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 20:54   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - R.P.

Nissan Almera Tino ? Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 21:00   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Too big. Im taking this opportunity to maximise my opportunity to get something economical, so Im looking for something that will do an easy 45 mpg, hopefully a bit more. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 21:01   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Lygonos

Ah the old "spend more to save more".... That's your feminine side coming out ;-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 20:58   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Skoda

I hope you manage to get something that serves you well Stu. Hopefully whatever you get wont be of the type that's effectively written off as soon as something goes wrong with it. Hopefully nothing will go wrong with whatever you buy anyway but with your recent run of luck... :-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 21:01   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Cliff Pope

Meanwhile, back in the game, how are we doing? I have to own up to more expenditure on the Volvo - I replaced a wiper blade. Just one - there's no point in throwing money at an old car. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 22:00   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Runfer D'Hills

Sorry to hear of your car woes Stu. But...phew ! Mondeo estate. You know it makes sense. :-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 22:09   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Bromptonaut

Stu, Tony Brooks in northampton has a 54 plate 2.0 HDi 90 Berlingo in Desire trim on his forecourt. In your price range though it's stuck there for a few weeks which makes me wonder if it's got a largish mileage. OTOH these things are commercials and even 100k is nothing. Take it before temptation gets the better of me!! Last edited by: Bromptonaut on Mon 24 Jan 11 at 22:11 Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 22:30   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Runfer D'Hills

On a woodland car park yesterday while eating our post bike ride picnic I was moved between chomping doorsteps filled with mature Cheddar and Branston to analyse the headgear of the other patrons. I did notice strong correllations between baseball caps and pick-up trucks perhaps predictably enough but more obscurely woolly hats and Berlingos. Do Citroen provide them as glove box extras? Some of them were quite elaborate with jaunty pom-poms and often featuring some kind of badge. Last edited by: Humph D'Bout on Mon 24 Jan 11 at 22:30 Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 22:32   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Zero

Yeah, the women in them wear those south american style ones with the long sides and pom poms hanging down, usually in Aztec Indian patterns. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 22:36   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Runfer D'Hills

Yes ! Bullseye Zero ! They do. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 22:36   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - RattleandSmoke

No sign of any less car usage here. Even at 8pm the traffic was very bad. I also filled up at my local station (128.9p) but only put £6.50 in, 6 miles down the road I have to pass a place which is 125.9p petty but every little does help. Posted on the wrong thread. Me = sleep I think. Last edited by: RattleandSmoke on Mon 24 Jan 11 at 22:39 Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 22:50   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - bathtub tom

>>Yeah, the women in them wear those south american style ones Not just the women and not only in South America (he admitted, sheepishly). Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 22:38   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - -

I did notice strong correllations between baseball caps and pick-up trucks perhaps >> predictably enough sniff. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 22:44   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Runfer D'Hills

If the cap fits... :-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 22:58   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - -

>> If the cap fits... No cap, would look a bit silly with tweeds and grained walking boots wouldn't it;) Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 07:48   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - WillDeBeest

...I did notice strong correlations between ... woolly hats and Berlingos. You noticed all that, Humph, but you didn't check their socks against their crisp packets? I'm disappointed. Incidentally, I think it's the other way round: if you buy the right kind of woolly hat you get a Berlingo with it. Just as you could once save up tokens from those round tins of sweets for a Rover 45 to keep them in. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 16:07   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Alanovich

Here's a wee raver for all you Berlingo fans to get dewy eyed about: www.riversidecarshants.co.uk/300333/riverside-used-cars.htm Can't be many about with that few miles on them. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 22:48   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Ive read some horror stories about Berlingos, much as I like them in principle, I cant take even half a chance with this purchase and a cheap Berlingo is a chance on any day of the week. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 24 Jan 11 22:55   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Fenlander

The hard facts are that you have been buying the horror stories while we are all running the cars you don't like with no problems. A Berlingo HDi would probably be perfect. Reply to this message | Report message       2

New Mon 24 Jan 11 23:08   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Ah well you know best. What £3.5k Berlingo did you own and how was it? Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 07:54   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Auntie Lockbrakes

Rattle and Lygonos have summed it up perfectly really. Why gamble on used tat with questionable history or reliability, when a new Panda gets you from a to b with minimum worry? Each to his own of course, but I hate driving a car when I know that there is a list of niggly faults or weak points that will need looking in to sooner or later. And the number 1 rule for any car has to be reliability - the moment that a car lets you down or you lose trust in it then it's just a pointless pile of metal and plastic! BTW Stu, would you seriously consider a used Daihatsu, on the back of last week's news that the sales and support network is going down the tubes? Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 08:26   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Because the only way I can get a Panda for £3.5k is a used one and early ones are starting to be problematic from what ive read. I gave it due consideration when it was suggested, but its pointless spending so much money on a car if its gonna need expensive out of warranty repairs and I havent got the £6k to buy a new one. Last weeks news was that they werent importing any new Daihatsu which has been the case for some time so nothing has changed other than they sold off all their old stock. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 09:42   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Alanovich

Stu likes Wagon Rs, others think he should get a mainstream brand motor. So how about a Vauxhall Agila?? Same thing, innit? What about a Meriva? Or, how about an old shape Mazda 2? Ford Fusion? Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 10:45   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Car on order now. All sorted. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 10:51   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - R.P.

Well - another Wagon R ? Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 10:52   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Runfer D'Hills

Cancel the bus PU ! Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 10:55   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

It goes well, starts, no funny noises and came with a service, new MOT, 8 months tax and cost me £3300. Im happy with the choice. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 11:06   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Skoda

*scottish accent doing a cockney impression* You was robbed blind you was. What is it? :-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 11:24   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Fenlander

My one and only guess for a £3300 vehicle to meet all the requirements... www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C190430/ Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 11:29   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - R.P.

The original MPV ! Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 11:34   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Iffy

...My one and only guess for a £3300 vehicle to meet all the requirements... A lot of people on here will fall about laughing, but when I think of the hammering our Minor pick-up took at the garage, a decent Traveller would probably do the job for Stu. He doesn't do a lot of miles and is no speed freak. Steady, reliable motoring, provided some simple maintenance is done regularly. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 11:43   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Fenlander

>>>a decent Traveller would probably do the job for Stu. I could have linked to a whole load of daft cars at that price but I thought the same Iffy hence the link. I'm looking round that site at the moment thinking more seriously as time goes on about having a go at something interesting. It's funny what takes your eye... this is one I've marked today... www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C201460/ Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 11:50   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Iffy

...this is one I've marked today... Another simple, reliable car. Although perhaps not quite as simple and reliable as a Minor. I do recall rot being a problem on these, mostly sills and the floorpan. But in those days, we used to tack a sill on, or plate the floor, almost as part of a service. I don't think they went through subframes in the way the original mini did. Replacing one of those could be a difficult and dirty job. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 11:55   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Fenlander

When I was a teen I helped in a local garage and the guy used old road signs to weld in patches on the 1100/1300 range... as you say quite common to have the latest patch put on with a service just as a routine thing. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 12:09   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Iffy

...and the guy used old road signs to weld in patches... We also used whatever was to hand. Might have been a door skin from a crashed car, snipped and beaten to fit. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 12:19   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Bellboy

we used to weld in bits from old filling cabinets as the steel was thick and already painted battleship grey Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 12:32   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - RichardW

Nah, I reckon this: tinyurl.com/6b3l2qb Not much to go wrong, and even if there was a major engine disaster your Nan could lift it out on her own before lunch! :-)) Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 11:41   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Mapmaker

I was giong to suggest one of these, cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320646285870&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.co.uk%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp5197.m570.l1313%26_nkw%3D320646285870%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1 And then I discovered it was going to be £500 for a non-runner. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 11:46   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - RattleandSmoke

What is it Stu 1.8 K series Freelander? Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 13:44   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Tooslow

Ooh! ref! That was below the belt. :-) John Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 15:44   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Er no. Im not going to say what it is so that I can enjoy it. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 15:48   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Runfer D'Hills

Oh go on Stu tell us ! We'll be gentle with you won't we chaps? I promise anyway... :-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 15:53   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Ok, if someone can guess the exact make, model, year, color and spec, ill confirm it. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 15:53   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - madf

We''l know soon enough. Stu will ask us a question in the Technical Section about rust or a misfire or...:-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 15:55   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

No rust, not even a light scratch and it runs smooth baby :-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 15:57   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Runfer D'Hills

GB or Bromptonaut, one of you could swing by Stu's house maybe......? :-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 16:00   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

It will be garaged. Good luck with that :-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 16:02   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - RattleandSmoke

Any locsmiths willing to drive past Stu's house? Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 16:14   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - madf

Follow the trail of oil which has kept the rust at bay..:-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 16:16   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - RattleandSmoke

It can't be a Mitsitbishi and it is something Stu feels we may make fun of. I have a feeling it is an Ignis or a Terrios or something like that. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 16:17   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Fenlander

Easier just to wait and see it come up on Ebay in 6wks time. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 16:19   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - RattleandSmoke

Stu I hope you don't take any offence at anything said here, it is all just a bit of fun and don't take offence at anything. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 16:21   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - madf

Stu is made of stern stuff.. I hope..... :-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 16:26   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Bellboy

he needs to be wonder what hes done with the spare 200 sovs? probably bought himself a top hat to wear in the old peoples waiting for god car :-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 16:29   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Runfer D'Hills

I think he's bought a PT Cruiser. Even AC took weeks to confess to that. The jeering didn't last all that long in the grand scheme of things... C'mon Stu, get it over with, you know you want to. No one's going to be silly about it are they? You might get an odd bit of mature, constructive advice and so on... :-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 16:26   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Armel Coussine

>> it is all just a bit of fun and don't take offence at anything. No it isn't, it's serious sadism intended to wound and offend. An immaculate East German hardboard two-stroke jobbie is it Stu? In mauve metallic with satin cushions on the rear parcel shelf? Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 16:32   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Alanovich

Stu, you're going to get more hassle for longer if you don't tell, than if you do. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 16:48   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Oh I dunno, ill get hassle for the entire time I own any of the sort of cars I like, so it makes no difference to me. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 16:48   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - madf

I reckon it's a Skoda Octavia... Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 16:50   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - RattleandSmoke

A Skoda Octavia would be respected on here though. I think we can guarentee that only a few hundered exist in the UK and Stu has probably owned them all at one point. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 16:59   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Nah, id never driven one of these until today, never cleaned one or come across one in the trade. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 17:12   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Zero

Ok so its smaller than a Tino, does 45 mpg, high seating, so cheap you cant give them away, and pig ugly. there gentlemen, is your starter for 10 Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 17:16   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Runfer D'Hills

Mitsubishi something? Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 17:18   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Zero

Ho Ho, most jovial Mr Bout. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 17:20   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Runfer D'Hills

Thought you'd bite... :-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 17:20   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Im not ancient enough to buy a car with a special Wether's cubby and space to get me mobility scooter in the boot. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 17:21   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Old Navy

>> Ho Ho, most jovial Mr Bout. >> Ah, recognise the description eh? Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 17:31   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - BobbyG

>>Ok, if someone can guess the exact make, model, year, color and spec, ill confirm it. Can we do this one by one? So I will start. Its blue? Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 17:31   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Runfer D'Hills

silver Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 17:37   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - nyx2k

gotta be brown Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 17:33   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Nah, that would be easy. It could be worked out by someone who is smart. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 17:35   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Runfer D'Hills

>> It could be worked out by someone who is smart. Aye, but indulge the rest of us would you ? Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 17:36   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - RattleandSmoke

Hyundai Atoz or its replacements? Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 17:40   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Runfer D'Hills

It's PU's mate's Skoda Fabia estate? Had to move it on. Couldn't live with the colour? Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 17:41   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - R.P.

No that's still going - well impressed with it he is ! Found it has an ice warning light/signal - perhaps he wishes he'd had that in the Polo.... Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 17:41   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Zero

Its this one www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201050375432686/ Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 17:45   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - BobbyG

Stu let us know if Zero's right - no point in us slagging it off if it's not yours??? :) Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 17:47   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - R.P.

Basic maths suggest that that's not the one. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 17:49   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Like I said PU, someone smart might work it out :-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 17:49   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - R.P.

My guess an 05 Suzuki R GL in red. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 17:50   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Zero

opps no its not Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 17:51   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - BobbyG

Checked HJ Technical - no thread there yet. Ah, pop-up blocker noise, how I have missed you....... :) Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 17:53   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Zero

www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201050375432686/ here we go Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 17:55   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - BobbyG

Thats same as before? Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 17:56   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Zero

Opps no this one www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201048374260852 Last edited by: Zero on Tue 25 Jan 11 at 17:57 Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 17:57   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - R.P.

Saying it three times doesn't count ! Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 17:58   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Zero

someone else with maths problems? Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 18:00   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Iffy

...no this one... He'd never buy a Ford, not enough breakdown potential. My money's on a Daihatsu, and a model no one's ever heard of. Hold on, he's not bought his dad's car, has he? Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 18:02   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

I havent although Im using it over the wkend. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 17:56   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - R.P.

Zero hoped we'd forgotten. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 17:53   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Skoda

belfast.gumtree.com/belfast/51/70674151.html :-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 17:58   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - RattleandSmoke

I actually want that Lada. If I had the money and some where to store it I would buy that like a flash. My grandad had one identical to that but his was a Y plate 1.2. It was one of the very last of the FIAT 124 shape before they were replaced with the Riva. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 18:02   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Armel Coussine

For heaven's sake Sheikha. You must be round the bend. We had one once. Crude, gutless rustbucket, steering heavier than a tractor, 28mpg at best, no vacuum advance, went out of tune in 100 miles. Good heater though. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 18:04   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Jacks

Suzuki Ignis 2006(56 plate) 1.3L 9800 miles Metallic grey MOT 90/11 (= 8 months) FSH £3395 In Northants tinyurl.com/62ra6gd Jacks Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 18:16   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Skip

Smart For Four ? Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 18:52   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Good guess, was tempted by it, but no. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 19:06   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - madf

Toyota Carina estate? Honda Accord Estate? Dirt cheap. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 19:18   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Runfer D'Hills

If it's something sensible like a Ford I'll dance naked round....no, on second thoughts....maybe not... Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 19:23   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - corax

Spare us Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 19:29   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Zero

Humph Why do you have this constant urge to kit your kit off and prance around naked for us? Last edited by: Zero on Tue 25 Jan 11 at 19:29 Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 19:31   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - R.P.

It's Burns Night (according to the Archers anyway) maybe that's why. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 19:32   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - bathtub tom

>>someone smart might work it out :-) You've said that twice now. Should it have a capital S? Any chance of posting the emissions of the old one? Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 20:03   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Yeah I asked earlier in the thread which readings you wanted? Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 20:44   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - bathtub tom

>> Yeah I asked earlier in the thread which readings you wanted? I did reply last night, all of them. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 20:52   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Okies. CO 1.35 HC 969 CO2 11.8 O2 3.7 Lambda 1.103 Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 21:02   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - bathtub tom

I'm not as knowledgeable as others here, but from that HC reading I'd suspect it's just an exhaust valve (although the lambda seems to be about the only reading within limits). What's the opinion here, a good, old fashioned, head off and valve grind job? Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 19:40   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - corax

>> Why do you have this constant urge to kit your kit off and prance around >> naked for us? He must be related to Billy Connolly. Last edited by: corax on Tue 25 Jan 11 at 19:41 Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 19:46   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Runfer D'Hills

The big yin? Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 19:55   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - R.P.

His smaller brother. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 25 Jan 11 19:57   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Runfer D'Hills

Oi ! Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 26 Jan 11 09:13   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Dog

I've been reliably informed that this 'bares' a striking resemblance to a forum member who is BIG in shoes. www.flickr.com/photos/43576259@N04/5388396378/ - sound on, click full screen icon. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 26 Jan 11 11:48   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Mapmaker

£3,500 came up with a couple of respectable looking Ignises within 30 miles of Northants. One with 10k on the clock over a period of 5ish years. Much rather a leggy Mondeo myself... Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 26 Jan 11 12:22   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Alanovich

My guess at stu's new car? A Daihatsu YRV. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 26 Jan 11 14:13   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - madf

A YRV? Like this? tinyurl.com/4ddpstw Last edited by: VxFan on Wed 26 Jan 11 at 18:59 Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 26 Jan 11 14:16   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Alanovich

Yeah, like that but newer and dearer. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 26 Jan 11 15:23   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

PU read between the lines. I bought what I was always gonna buy, top marks chap. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 26 Jan 11 15:28   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Alanovich

Come on then stu, for us dimwits, how was "smart" a clue to a Wagon R? Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 26 Jan 11 15:29   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - R.P.

The red one as well ? Hope it serves you well, never mind the naysayers. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 26 Jan 11 15:37   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Because using Autotrader, you could have narrowed it down to literally a handful of cars, there wasnt much choice of micro mpvs which was what I wanted. You could discount an Ignis because its economy doesnt average over 45mpg and I even gave an initial shortlist earlier on, which made working it out pretty simple. It wouldnt have been a Nissan because Ive made plenty of noise on occasion of how Renault has dragged their reliability down, it would only have been japanese or korean which discounts alot of cars. That would leave a handful of cars, PU picked the obvious one because id already mentioned it. That very car PU, its a nice little motor, different to my current one in many ways, but same basic concept which suits my sensibilities. I never have minded the naysayers. Ill say it now, it DOES look like Postman Pats weekend car. Haha, beat anyone to it. Last edited by: stunorthants29 on Wed 26 Jan 11 at 15:38 Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 26 Jan 11 15:40   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Alanovich

Oh. I was taking your "smart" references to mean that the word "smart" would crop up somewhere in the vehicle's name or spec, as I imagine did the poster who suggested the Smart ForFour. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 26 Jan 11 16:23   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

It wasnt a veiled hint, although I did think about the Smart, I like them and a semi-auto diesel was nearby, but in the end, I decided that the closest to barndoor simplicity was the only way I would maximise the chances of buying something trouble-free. Thats not to say what Im buying isnt having a few bits done, I was very picky. The NSR door c/l was very slow, didnt always pop up so they are replacing the solenoid and the battery was a bit weak although not flat after someone left the boot open, so its having a new battery, along with the service and new MOT. It drove well though, felt tight, no rattles, knocks, engine was sweet, gearbox notchy but precise ( Suzuki boxes often are notchy from new ), didnt set any alarm bells off, felt very confident buying it. Salesman, who was same guy that sold me the Carry van 5 years ago, knocked £200 off the screen price, which made it at the good end of reasonable. Its a one owner car and has full main dealer history, with each service itemised in the service book. I look forward to a more hassle-free period in my motoring. I may even get a black and white cat for the parcel shelf :-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 26 Jan 11 16:29   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Pat

I wouldn't bother, no black & white cat would be seen dead in one of those:) Pat Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 26 Jan 11 17:23   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - RattleandSmoke

So you bought a Wagon R? Not read all the above threads properly :). Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 26 Jan 11 17:37   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - nyx2k

are you keeping your old for spares Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 26 Jan 11 17:40   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

No point, its a completely different design. No common parts that I can see, infact, much of the switchgear is GM. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 26 Jan 11 17:39   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

I did indeed. I may not have had much luck with the old one, but owning it convinced me the basic concept is perfect for what I want in a car. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 26 Jan 11 17:49   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Netsur

My parents had a 2002 Wagon R+. Lots of GM switchgear, lots of space and very reliable. A bit noisy and bouncy, but willing. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 26 Jan 11 17:59   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Mine apparently has the later VVT engine, how much difference that makes I dont know. I like the sound of 'very reliable'. Last edited by: stunorthants29 on Wed 26 Jan 11 at 17:59 Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 26 Jan 11 18:30   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - R.P.

www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/suzuki/wagon-rplus-2000/? Yours is the new shape I assume - HJ's views here. Look out for pop-up hell though. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 26 Jan 11 18:46   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Funny that HJ doesnt mention the change to the VVT engine, but mine is VVT, you can tell because they are 30cc bigger. Better than that, the VVT is 91 bhp as opposed to 74 bhp for most examples. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 26 Jan 11 19:14   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - RattleandSmoke

A Vauxhall Agilia then which are fairly common. What engine size did you get? Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 26 Jan 11 19:19   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Theres only one engine size on the Wagon R, well at the age mine is anyway - mines a 1.3. The later ones from mid-2005 have the GM 1.2 engine from the Agila. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 26 Jan 11 19:21   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - slowdown avenue

good luck with your new motor. i run a 2006 agila to date has done 66,ooo and ive only changed a light bulb. aircon packed up , but ive just left it. Its only let me down when iv'e left the interiorlights on by mistake. iv'e only used top quality oil, and you cant hear the engine . such a practical car. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 26 Jan 11 19:22   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Runfer D'Hills

Isn't Lego good now? Working lights and everything... Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 26 Jan 11 19:44   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Londoner

Well the only important thing is that YOU are happy with your choice, Stu. No-one else's opinion matters tiddly squat. I hope that you have a long time of trouble-free motoring ahead of you. The forum will expect, an update after you have had it for a month or two, of course. :-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 26 Jan 11 20:15   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Zero

>> The forum will expect, an update after you have had it for a month or >> two, of course. :-) You what? keep it for a month or two? leave orf. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 26 Jan 11 20:22   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - RattleandSmoke

I have a feeling Stu will keep this for a long time :) No promise just don't start looking for problems. Make sure it is safe and road worthty but don't get paranoid about any tiny rattles. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 26 Jan 11 20:24   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Well, my wife has promised me that if I keep it until 2013, she will buy me a new car on finance. Id call that motivation :-) Last edited by: stunorthants29 on Wed 26 Jan 11 at 20:24 Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 26 Jan 11 20:29   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Runfer D'Hills

If you keep any car for two years I'll... be proud of you... Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 26 Jan 11 20:32   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Bellboy

good little cars engines a bit racous rear wheel bearings get greased at every full service as they dont last and arent cheap disc and pads quite dear from electric windows weak (use carefully in frost) very economical and huge boots with seats down if you bought a specced one then they are a good little car need more protection on floor pans and hidden corners when up on ramps dinitrol on a brush is ideal Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 26 Jan 11 20:36   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Gosh, theres a bit too much positivity going on here atm, wheres Zero when you need him? Need to hear a few jibes about motorised commodes to get some balance :-) Thanks for tips BB. The engine may be noisey, but its quieter than the old one, so my standards may be low... and it doesnt misfire. Looks like my summer hobby is decided. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 26 Jan 11 20:39   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Bellboy

not noisy stu they are just slightly racous when pushed a little,you will see what i mean oh and dont rush the gearboxes take a note out of swiss's book and treat them slowly as if you are--------well you get the picture :-) bon apetite.......... Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 26 Jan 11 20:47   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Zero

Lets hope it comes with a centre board, don't want it capsizing as you tack down the road. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 26 Jan 11 22:11   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Old Navy

Its a wardrobe with a lawnmower engine. :-) Last edited by: Old Navy on Wed 26 Jan 11 at 22:11 Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 26 Jan 11 21:00   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - swiss tony

>> not noisy stu they are just slightly racous when pushed a little,you will see what >> i mean >> oh and dont rush the gearboxes >> take a note out of swiss's book and treat them slowly as if you are-------- --------------Making love to a beautiful woman...... That my line.... ;-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 26 Jan 11 21:03   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Oh I did push it, redlined it in 2nd and 3rd :-) The gearbox on the Wagon I have now felt very similar to my new one and the one in my Carry van - light feel but slightly clunky and vague - requires a light but accurate action, if you force it, it tends to baulk. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 26 Jan 11 22:42   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

Im astounded people are wanting to pay money for the old Wagon. I was hoping for £100 tops. Had quite a conversation with one guy, telling me he through he knew what was wrong. Fair enough I guess, I just wanted it gone, didnt want big bucks for it. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 26 Jan 11 23:20   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Fenlander

>>>Im astounded people are wanting to pay money for the old Wagon. Pehaps that's because you've distorted the circumstances of its purchase and sale then made the listing sound such that a hopeful person on a tight budget is going to cross their fingers that it's just a minor tuning issue like leads & plugs. Let's just hope they have a handout from their nan when they find it needs a repair that was enough to cause you to regard it as dropping from a £1k car to near worthless over a few days. Saying that you haven't had the fault diagnosed and have no idea what's wrong is well out of order. I'd have listed it as a posible dropped valve diagnosed by a Suzuki garage with the repair perhaps needing an engine out repair... but then all my listings are dead honest. Reply to this message | Report message       3

New Wed 26 Jan 11 23:23   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - RattleandSmoke

Mine are too, I said on my Corsa add confirmed head gasket failure I mentioned there was petrol fumes in the head tank, coolent in the oil and its down on compression I still had over 10 calls and realised I sold it too cheap at £250 (it had no MOT or tax and was ten years old). Mind you if people are selling cars cheap because of an aparant simple fault I always assume they know more than they are letting on. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 26 Jan 11 23:28   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - bathtub tom

I very much doubt it's a dropped valve, look at the emissions. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 26 Jan 11 23:34   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Fenlander

No it might not be a dropped valve but Stu thought it was.... and his nan thought it was something terminal... so for me the buck stops there and you declare what you know. BTW I think those readings were from months/thousands of miles ago anyway. Last edited by: Fenlander on Wed 26 Jan 11 at 23:36 Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 27 Jan 11 00:08   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

The problem with Ebay is that if I suggest its maybe this or that, they may buy it and find its something else, so then rightly a claim can be made that I mislead. Ive described the symptoms, which opens up all the possibilities, but after doubt was cast on Suzukis diagnosis, I didnt feel comfortable putting that on because they havent diagnosed it, they have made an educated guess because the engine hasnt been taken apart. A good guess is still a guess but on Ebay, if you suggest something, its often taken as fact. Someone here said it couldnt be a dropped valve, so since thats what they said and the evidence suggests it couldnt be or the car wouldnt run, theres no sense in proclaiming thats it is. You have to be very careful what you say because if your not 100% sure, dodgy ground. All I know for sure are the symptoms which are declared. It does drive, it feels ok most of the time, only in certain circumstances does it misfire, so theres nothing untrue said. Ive omitted listing possible causes because its being sold as a car with a running problem, which is factually an unknown and anyone who deliberately buys a car like that must have an idea what it could be. Several of the bidders have been in contact and they seem to be clued up about the range of possibilities, a burnt valve was mentioned by the current top bidder as one thing, so its obviously not a big secret to the mechanically minded. Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 27 Jan 11 00:29   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Fenlander

Thats all fine and dandy until you claimed this was only ever a temp vehicle while you waited to get the new one. To have honestly said you'd planned to keep it but been told it had a fault so bad you were virtually prepared to scrap it may well have given folks a fair chance to assess its true value. Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 27 Jan 11 00:42   Bangernomics - Zero v. stunorthants29 - Stuu

It was bought in a hurry because my previous car failed. I had more or less decided id keep it for the time being IF the misfire was looking reasonable to fix BUT it started to look the other way. I always say on here ill keep cars I buy, I have form for that then doing something else. When the opportunity comes to buy something much newer, you can bet your life my current car went back to its temporary status - all my cars are temporary lets face it. I was very tempted to let Suzuki go for it and dismantle the car, I was very much 50/50, but my nan insisted that I take the rest of the money she tried to give me the first time around and with my resolve lower, I accepted, which meant a change of plans. Reply to this message | Report message