Im flogging the old Espero as a spares/repairs. Not sure how much to expect for it, but its beyond my finances as the issues could be serious and Im not going to spend money finding that out, so really anything will be ok. Maybe £50 although £100 would be nice.
It doesnt run anymore so Im not expecting alot.
Whats the price of scrap like? Are parts cars of any value right now? I expect the alloys are £50 on their own, but I havent the time to strip the car down.
Its a shame really, but my indy said he wouldnt even bother taking it apart from a labour cost point of view.
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I got £80 from a scrappie for my Mondeo in August.
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What are the issues?
Did you not fork over c£450 ish for this motor not so long ago on Ebay?
If so why not get rid of it by the same route?
Lots of loss if my sums are right but as you know (as an avid ebay searcher) who knows?
Apologies if I have missed a post saying it went from OK to scrap in 5 mins
As always
Mark
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It is a none runner due to a possible cambelt slip I gather from his other posts.
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OK not been keeping to speed with other threads up obviously!
However is this not a Chavalier engined jobbie?
Late 80s design at best?
I had a number of friends who had the belt go on various petrol engined GMs in the 80s/early 90s and a new belt was all that was needed.
Now if the belt breaking has removed other belts I do not know going back 20 years give or take to remember full details of engine damage is a challenge.
Whatever take in for scrap or Ebay that is the way of the world
As always
Mark
Last edited by: Mark on Thu 16 Dec 10 at 22:10
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I'm in a similar situation Stu. The 96 Fiesta, although with a ticket 'til February, has a 9 point fail sheet. Some are silly like a couple of bulbs in the wrong way but there's some welding and a drive shaft boot, amongst others.
My time is too valuable to me than to start up the welding lark again....anyway, my eyes aren't up to it now.
Most scrappies round here offer £50 min and collect so after I've had the CD out, that's probably what I'll do.
Can't be bothered with idiots coming round wanting a 12 month perfect runner for £20/£50 more.
Down the road with it....free up the space !
Ted
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It was a suspected cambelt slip.
Turns out what had happened is the cooling system has emptied into the sump, hence it wont run. Im sure if you know anything about cars, thats not a good thing and it could be any number of nasty things, all expensive.
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Sorry to hear
The choice of disposal remains yours
As always
Mark
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You'll probably get the most by selling on Ebay Stu... it's a market you know well. It is quite likely some chancer will pay more than scrap and they'll have the hassle of taking it away.
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Its on. Ive been vague about whats wrong mainly because I dont know for sure although I can make an educated guess, which is why its on there.
My feeling is that the engine is shot, but if you dropped a used engine in, Im presuming theres still a few 8v 2.0 Vauxhall engines knocking about, it would actually be a nice car for someone, I just dont think its worth it economically for me personally - a mechanic though could prob do something productive with it.
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No-ones going to want to drop an engine in this thing. Its value running is not worth the hastle.
I would be tempted to get a belt on it, and retimed and see what happens tho.
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If the sump is full of coolant I'd suspect a head gasket failure, or perhaps a frozen/cracked block (especially if the antifreeze level was low).
Knackered valvetrains dont generally afffect the cooling system in my limited experience.
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Cambelt slip has been discounted as timing is spot on, but thats rather academic with the sump full of coolant.
In truth, ive walked away from it, I no longer care for it, to the highest bidder goes it.
I wont bother with a thread about what to replace it with, I have a few ideas, just working on them, see what turns up, but I have a car till the new year pretty much, so its not the end of the world.
Last edited by: stunorthants29 on Thu 16 Dec 10 at 23:31
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>> I wont bother with a thread about what to replace it with, I have a
>> few ideas, just working on them, see what turns up, but I have a car
>> till the new year pretty much, so its not the end of the world.
Your listing states: "ive decided not to have the car taken apart and have already bought a new car"
Did I miss the recent addition to your fleet?
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Poetic license ;-)
Technically I have a replacement car and ive place a bid on a car on Ebay, so its half true.
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edit, failed to read the "coolant in the sump" part. Thats not good.
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Is everything else alright with it Stu? Just needs a new engine?
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I assume you'd emptied the petrol tank which you put around £50 of petrol into it recently?
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I scrapped a "spares" Escort for £80 in the summer. Looking at similar cars on eBay, they go one of two ways - either they attract several bids up to £100-£140ish, or they don't even get a sniff.
You've done exactly what I would do: Start it low and see what happens. Good idea mentioning the good condition cat and tyres.
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An Escort will always have a decent amount of chav and spares value. The most valuable thing out of the Espero would have been the engine which dosn't work.
I just hope you get your listing fees back. I sold an Escort on ebay a few years back it was a total MOT failure (three pages) but the engine was sweet (apart from a sticking valve) and got £150 for it. Ebay took £30 out of that for listing fees and I am pretty sure my dad never gave me that money back! He took the cash though!.
If there is anybody in the Hampshire area who just happens to want an Espero for parts you might just be in luck but realistically this is just scrap value.
If it goes for £100 at least you will have covered the costs and you will be shot of it. Possibly less hassle than getting scrappy to tow it away as they can knock you down on the spot.
Last edited by: RattleandSmoke on Fri 17 Dec 10 at 01:48
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Just seen the add, it looks like a new car. The cat alone would be worth something. I would be surprised if you didn't get at least £100 for it, and those alloys will fit a cavvy so might have quite a lot of chav value.
Might be worth posting it some of the vauxhall forums as they are always doing engine conversions.
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>> An Escort will always have a decent amount of chav ... value
None taken :)
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My dad had an Escort for 5 years and ran it for exactly the same reasons you do. Paid £1600 for it at 6 years old. My dad then fainted on a ladder broke many bones and couldn't drive for months. The Escort got stored in a damp garage and when we finally got it MOTed everything had rotted away.
It did have a problem with sticky valves causing 15mpg before though but the engine sounded silent at tick over. The guy that bought it was a chav that wanted for its spoiler and other bits.
So hope no offence was caused :).
Very underrated cars, the electrics were a it of a problem though, the central locking and electric windows had both packed in at around 95k.
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I'm only teasing Rattle :)
114k and still shuddering on, I've just changed the oil this evening. Electrics holding up (heated 'screen is a wonderful thing), although I swear I can hear the floor rusting away in this weather.
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>> The Escort got stored in a damp garage and when we finally got it MOTed everything had rotted away
I think that's the root of my problems - My drive faces north, the houses are staggered so next door blocks the east view and there is a 4ft wall on the west side, so it never dries out in the sun there. Plenty of moss on the block paving, and the wheelie bins, and on the Escort too if I leave it alone for a few days :(
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Drain sump.
Drain coolant.
Refill engine with 4 litres el cheapo oil.
Refill cooling system with tap water and 2 bottles radweld.
Run - see if it lives or dies.
If it lives change the oil again and drain 4 litres of coolant and fill up with el cheapo antifreeze.
Cost - £20.
If it's a cracked block/HGF may make it a 'runner'.
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Yes, id say, being conservative, if you stuck another engine in it, the rest of the car has many years left in it. I expect its a couple of days work for someone who knows their way round it.
I dont know what condition the engine is in, but it clatters when you turn it over, so best I think just to change it for a known quantity. As my indy said, its a darn shame because the rest of the car is so good, he said it would sail through an MOT.
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I just had a look at my car, £102?? Seems crazy to me for a non-runner, I feel guilty already, I have underlined the 'Doesnt start' thing on the listing havent I?
Ive got a horrible feeling some twit will turn up to collect it and expect to drive it away... either that or the price of parts is so good its really worth that. I thought it would maybe, with a breeze behind it, get up to £100 at best.
Last edited by: stunorthants29 on Fri 17 Dec 10 at 12:56
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Looking at that, it says to me it's coming from a dealer, given the name and history, so I'd be expecting a warranty, and I can't see anything about it not running. Must be blind, or it's not obvious, or I'm looking at the wrong red Espero, £102, based in Kettering?
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Yeah your looking at the wrong one. Theres two Esperos on and both in Kettering area. its what you call a hotspot.
Ive been watching that red car over the last month and they couldnt get £400 for it as a classified so it appeared as an auction a few days ago. Which makes it all the more puzzling why anyone would wanna pay so much for my non-runner...
Last edited by: stunorthants29 on Fri 17 Dec 10 at 13:24
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Stu, the bid for your one is EXACTLY the same value ss the bid for the red one. I reckon someone's bid on both, but only meant to bid on one. I'd contact them If I were you to clarify.
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Could also be that they are buying up Esperos for parts. Ill wait until closer to the end. they can retract bids too should they wish.
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If a punter already has a Daewoe Expresso, but with body rot, then 100 sovs for your mota, is a goer.
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TBH I wouldn't be worried about the current bids as it is likely to go higher and possibly to someone who bids in the closing seconds. Well done Stu on getting up to a good bottom line price this early on. To me your listing reads exactly as it should and it's quite clear it doesn't run.
There are so many reasons why folks would want to pay *too much* for this it's not really for the seller to worry about it.
I once sold an old tractor on Ebay that was valued by locals around £1200 and I'd have been happy with £1500. It made over £4000 and I was stressed once it rose above £2000 that it was going far too high and would the deal fall apart due to some mistake.
But no the guy did an online bank transfer within hours for the full price and had a low loader collect it very promptly... and posted glowing positive feedback. You can never second guess what folks will pay for old/broken things.
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>> getting up to a good bottom line price this early on. To me your listing
>> reads exactly as it should and it's quite clear it doesn't run.
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What is the reference number? I can only see one red Daewoo Espero by the trader which is listed under both classified and auction. No sign of Stu's car when I search.
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Same here for Daewoo Espero under £1,000,000
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I'll leave it to Stu to post a link to his listing if he wants to... he has in the past but it's his call.
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The advert no longer appears to be there :(
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>> The advert no longer appears to be there :(
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Couldn't find it at 13.30 when I first looked for it.
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It was clearly there last night so Stu has either removed or it has been removed.
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No it's still there, Stu has just added some extra description in the last hour. I'm sure he will come on and give us a link.
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Really weird that it doesnt appear in searches... some people have found it somehow though.
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I couldn't find it either.
You should have enough feedback to be able to ring the ebay helpline? Give them an earful.
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How bizarre. I searched earlier and found the two ads for the red one, and Stu's ad for his one. I've just searched again using only Daewoo Espero as search terms and only the red ones pop up.
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Apparently because I added some revisions, it can drop off the listings for a period of time. Hopefully should pop back up soon.
Check again in a few hours.
Last edited by: stunorthants29 on Fri 17 Dec 10 at 15:24
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Its back in the searches again.
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My only warning for Stu is that some of these bidders may be thick plebs and have not read it properly. I wonder if it is worth highlighting the fact it is a none runner more clearly?
One thing I have learnt with ebay is people are thick.
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Originally, it had spares/repairs in the header, but for some reason it disappered when I posted the listing which wasnt reversable once I realised.
If you read the listing to any extent its clear it doesnt go, theres alot of clues :-)
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It is clear to me but I just know how some of the less shall we say fortunate members of society brains work. I wouldn't worry unless bids start to get close to £300 though! It may also be chancers thinking it is something simple.
I remember selling my none runner Fiesta to a trader, the battery was flat and no fuel was getting into the engine. Some happy go lucky trader comes along thought it was just the battery and the carb needed some adjustment (it was injection etc). Sold it for £60 so didn't feel guilty.
I did feel guilty when I realised the car was put back on the road with shot piston rings though!.
Good luck with it anyway Stu and if you do get close to £300-£400 then you should make a living of buying none runners cheap.
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Well, truth be told, I honestly dont know whats actually wrong, only that theres water in with the oil which I stated on the listing. You could assume HGF from that, but its not the only reason that would happen.
I once had it happen on my Rover diesel and it was the oil pump causing the water to leak in somehow. It was a very rare occurance.
It could be a cracked block as has been mentioned and Im working on the assumption that it is although I have no proof of that, its just a theory.
Ive told my indy to stop work because Im not convinced its financially viable to fix it and it could cost another £100 before he can even give a deffo answer on the cause, so Im not taking the chance its something very bad.
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Yeah it does sound like it is chancers bidding. A trader could probably get £600-£700 for it in a good working condition with a basic warranty and full MOT etc.
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>> Well, truth be told, I honestly dont know whats actually wrong, only that theres water
>> in with the oil which I stated on the listing.
Pity really - It would be an interesting (but as you say - costly) exercise to find out, and if it was there before when you bought it.
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I have a few regrets about getting rid of my Corsa so quickly. I often wondered what if that weld type stuff worked or what if it wasn't the HG (the engine was never dismanteled) as it was a perfect car for me really. I didn't have a lockup at the time but if I did I would have kept it. However at the time I never dreamed I would be able to drive a brand new car, so I am kind of glad it blew up.
I think Stu has already spent enough on trivial repairs to this car and I don't blame him one but for giving up. I actually feel a bit sorry for him but when you buy old cars even after doing a lot of home work there is too much element of luck.
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bil got £80 scrap a couple years back for his espero. bodywork was unmarked just needed a mechanic and and afew hundred pounds spending and it could have run for years if you put your mind to it.
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I did wonder if it was there when I bought it, but honestly, aside from a flat spot at low revs, the car had absolutely zero symptoms and the flat spot may have been something else.
Im actually maturing as an old car buyer and simply now doing a cut and run if I suspect something is either on the way or its gonna be more than buying another car to fix.
The only issue right this minute is due to the time of year, the market is as thin as tissue paper, so finding a car that looks even half right aint easy.
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I still wonder if I was stiched up with the Corsa. The header tank was clear when I bought it but after a few weeks rust coloured crap started appearing in it. That crap was obviously the start of what ever was leeding up the head gasket problem.
You can't really think like that though otherwise you become bitter and won't trust anybody. I am sure the Daweoo was genuine and the previous seller didn't know there was a problem if it existed at the time.
Did you ever have a compression test done on it?
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Ive bought alot of old cars over the years and this is just very bad luck, its not something you can account for in the normal way of things.
What I did do was deviate from my normal practice of buying Jap cars because although the Daewoo was assembled in that area of the world, its tech was GM.
There are many jap cars which have an extraordinary ability to absorb punishment and neglect that many european cars tend not to be able to take with the same consistancy.
My dad had Datsuns and Nissans in the early 80's and he drove them into the ground but they never broke and his love of far eastern stuff passed to me.
From now on, its highly unlikely ill buy anything but Jap again unless its something like a Honda engined Rover.
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>> One thing I have learnt with ebay is people are thick
Like the purchaser of my Freeview box last year? Who lived in the Channel Islands. Where they don't have Freeview. :-/
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Did anyone else pick up on this tale from the other side, or is it just my suspicious mind?
tinyurl.com/2uawlw8
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Id agree the market has dried up. Its murer finding something worth even looking at.
I think ive found something, but its not exactly what I had in mind, but it seems sound and beggars cant be choosers now.
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I was referring to what may happen to the Espero.
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Oh indeed. Watch that space.
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I once put a new mobile on eBay - complete with receipt & warranty. It made more than it cost new in the Orange shop.
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Nearly finished, less than an hour to go. Its crept to £112!
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...Its crept to £112!...
I'm finding this quite exciting.
What do you reckon, Stu, a flurry of late bids to push her up to £125?
Last edited by: Iffy on Sun 19 Dec 10 at 13:35
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There is a nice white 1977 Reliant kitten estate for sale in Cumbria on car&classic.co.uk if you are still looking for one Stu !
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Well, that red one made £255 so if mine makes £150, its a victory for lunacy as far as Im concerned. Im not complaining, but I cant compute it. I expected a max of £100 so its all gravy from here on in.
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Tax alone is worth £90...?
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It has a month left nearly. Not really £90 worth.
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...It has a month left nearly. Not really £90 worth...
Madf would have known that if he had a Mac with its handy 'dashboard' calculator. :)
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Well, ive heard from the buyer. Just praying its not some muppet who hasnt read the description, which for arguments sake, I shall print out and bring a copy with me just incase they wanna argue over it.
Im hoping they just turn up with a trailer and are gone in 15 mins god willing.
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Well done - keep the getaway car ticking over ! :-)
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What a pain this has turned out to be. Cant pin the buyer down to a day, infact its always tomorrow, 3 days running. Ive told them if they do not complete the transaction by 11am Friday, it will be relisted - anyone know if the relist is free?
Why do people bid if they cant follow through!
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Re-listing isn't free as you've still 'sold' the item.
You'll have to raise a 'non-paying bidder' claim to refund your listing and final value fees.
Why do bidders not 'follow through'? I'm sure you know why, really :-)
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>> Why do bidders not 'follow through'? I'm sure you know why, really :-)
Cause it makes an awful mess of your trousers?
That's a pain Stu. I'd be inclined to weigh it in (maybe strip a few parts to ebay?). How much do the ebay fees take off it anyway?
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Offer it to the underbidder?
You can reclaim your FVFs. Surely relisting is free, even though it sold - as by virtue of reclaiming FVFs it didn't.
Agree with the buyer to go through the mutually agree not to proceed with transaction.
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Well, the threat of relisting has lead to a firm commitment to collect it tomorrow at 9am.
Im somewhat doubtful mind.
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Ive had yet another message from them confirming for sure that they will collect the car tomorrow. Thats the first time ive had two messages in a row making a promise for the same day and time, have to see that as progress.
Hope I get good feedback for being very tolerant, I felt like telling them to hop it, but I played nice!
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...message from them confirming for sure that they will collect the car tomorrow...
Them.
I trust you will not be alone in the house tomorrow.
You don't know 'them' from Adam, and the transaction has not proceeded smoothly so far.
There are some right Iffy characters using made-up names on the internet. :)
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As iffy can confirm :).
I agree though make sure there is more than one of you there, although this is a £100 car not a £15k BMW so that will reduce the risks a lot!
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I actually wont be there at all. The guy who owns the garage where its stored is doing it for me and he is big fella.
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Guy turned up as promised before 9am today. Proceeded to tow it away with a 1.6 Astra using some towing device attached to his towbar. Bet that will be fun at the first snowy hill...
Apparently he only wanted the wheels and a few other bits, didnt care at all that it didnt start.
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I trust you've sorted out the V5 - you don't want his speeding/parking tickets after he's got it road-worthy for £50!
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Oh yes. Its in the post box already.
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