Been trying to work out the exact cost difference between the Panda and the Corsa and so far including all the loan payments etc the and the amount I lost on the Panda my Panda is about £12 a month cheaper.
My road tax is £30 a year too which is a massive saving. Any back to thread title I have worked out over the past 500 miles I am getting between 38 and 42mpg between fill ups. Which is not too bad as it is all stop start city driving. Recently I have been using the headlights, rear demist, heater, wipers, washers etc a lot more too. It is a 1.1 petrol engine.
So much MPG do you get?
I am still spending more than £50 a month on fuel at the moment though which is a lot when you think a bus pass is just £44 a month :p.
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Mid 50s from a Roomster 1.9TDi... Not driven slowly, but driven smoothly!
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What sort of driving is that though? It makes a big difference.
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The X1 manages a respectable 45 mpg - but I don't hang about either.....remarkably good for a 170 bhp diesel. The bike (BMW 1200RT) manages a very remarkable 60mpg regardless of how I use it - don't hang about on that either..
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>>What sort of driving is that though? It makes a big difference. >>
Smoothly, in conjunction with a diesel engine....
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Combination of a 20 mile commute (50% in the country with junctions and roundabouts quite regularly and rest town work) and using the car to ferry SWMBO and her wheelchair to hospital, doctors, etc...
Driving smoothly makes far more difference to speed when keeping with the limits... hence anticipating traffic at roundabouts, traffic lights, etc can do wonders for fuel consumption!
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>>My road tax is £30 a year too which is a massive saving.>>
The cost of fuel is usually the largest annual expenditure in running a car (apart from depreciation depending on vehicle age), although I agree savings on VED are worthwhile (you can buy more fuel!)
Keeps George Osbourne happy...:-((
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I was sad enough to record my mileage & fuel over a number of years, so a few excerpts:-
2.5 V6 Omega estate, manual box.
Short round town trips 22mpg, mixed motorway and dad's taxi usage 29mpg, 65mph motorway cruise 36 mpg.
2 litre Omega saloon, manual box - same criteria
28 / 35 / 38
2 litre Vectra saloon, manual box.
31 / 37 / 43
1.8 Zafira, manual box
31 / 36 / 41
SWMBO's Zafira actually managed 35mpg indicated average over half term, mostly charging up and down 1:6s in North Cornwall 5 up + dog, which I thought was pretty impressive for a 10 year old car with 140K on it.
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Volvo used to give 47-48 mpg on my 85-mile M40 route. Now it's doing 25 miles of M4 instead, with higher traffic densities and more queueing, and it's dropped to 45-46. (The Combined figure is 43, so I'm happy enough.) A tankful still goes 600 miles, though, so I only have to fill up once a fortnight.
These are averages between fills; it has no computer, so I can't offer the spurious 'on a run' figure we often hear. The Verso has a computer but I don't trust it, and I don't have fill-to-fill data be that would require Mrs Beest to write stuff down - or at least reset Trip A.
}:---(
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Generally 45 mpg, mostly shortish runs. 49 out of the last tankful, with longer runs. Passat 1.9 TDI.
John
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Short 3 mile commute, 58 mpg summer, 46 mpg now, 134 bhp 1.8 petrol automatic, zero VED.
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merc 190e auto 22mpg city driving and 27mpg on a run
citroenc3 piccaso is 44 around the town and 55mpg on the motorway
my dads xj-r jaguar is 15 around town and 23 on a run
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How do you like the C3 Picasso? I really like the look of them. Some good deals available.
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the picasso is a comfortable, well put togther car. some nice soft textured plastics as well as some harder ones but all together the interior is a nice place to be.
the 1.6 HDi vtr+ i have rides well , supple but not soft suspention and all the extra toys you might need.
plenty of room inside also
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Have you put many miles on it yet? Mrs F had a look and picked up a brochure for one when collecting her older C3 after repair earlier so we'll no doubt chat about them tonight.
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it's at around 20,000 miles.
good on all road types. i live in the country side and it handles these wet slippery roads very well and on the motorway it goes very well at higher speeds where i just set the cruise at 80ish and it pretty quiet and not at all wearing to drive that way for hours and will return 45+ mpg at these higher speeds and is also capable of pressing on around the narrow rds were we live
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>>134 bhp 1.8 petrol automatic, zero VED.>>
What particular engine is that on zero VED?
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>> What particular engine is that on zero VED?
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I bet it is a Toyota Prius.
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...I bet it is a Toyota Prius...
Or he's using a Guinness label for a tax disc.
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>> Or he's using a Guinness label for a tax disc.>>
Well I've any number of those...:-))
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Mondeo Mk3 TDCi 2.0 manual estate - 45 mpg depending on fuel brand used. Can go as low as 39 mpg on the cheap stuff.
Qashqai 2.0d auto 4x4 - 38 mpg irrespective of fuel brand used. Doesn't seem to care what you put in it as long as it's called diesel.
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Little Aygo - 55 around town, 60-62 extra-urban. Petrol.
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Mk4 Mondeo 2.0 Tdci diesel 35mpg very short round town and 51mpg on motorway.
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2.0l Kia cee'd petrol automatic, average 37.9 mpg over 28,000 miles
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Mine seems quite poor compared with some of these figures. I don't exactly hang about though and once warmed up on occasions I have still been in 2nd by the time I have reached 30mph.
By comparison I got 30mpg out of my old Corsa.
My dads get around 33mpg on the Fiesta with the same sort of driving.
It is all cold start, stop at lights 300 yards aways, move 50 yards slow down for hazzard, back up to 30, stop for traffic light 200 yards further etc.
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You don't always have to slow down for hazards, being aware of them may be enough, it just depends on what the hazard is... many of the lights down the Hagley Road are about 500/800 yds apart, being able to get to them whilst they are green is an art, but once mastered it keeps you moving rather than stop/start... One thing I have noticed, though, is that trying to race them doesn't work, steady driving does... I suspect that applies to many roads with regular traffic lights...
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I never race to lights and always slow down on approach in the hope that they turn the green. I also am good at seeing hazzards ahead so I can slow down a bit and wait for the hazzard to go, rather than approaching and full speed then having to break harshly. I suspect my poor MPG is caused by trying to drive my Panda like it a Ferrari. It likes to be reved and I like to rev it.
The more powerful 1.2 might have suited my driving style better because it wouldn't need to worked so hard.
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Yes, I suspect the "in 2nd at 30" was a bit of a giveaway! I used to drive like that... just can't be bothered nowadays... The strange thing is that driving that commute of mine like a looney will get me there in 27/28mins and well wound-up... Driving for economy will get me there in 32 mins... Bit of a no-brainer which I now choose!
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It really depends the road it is, on most roads I drive very smoothly but if it is a very wide open road then it is always a bit of fun to open the taps and and listen to the sound of the Italian engine reving away it actually has a nice exhaust note for a 1.1!.
It will be interesting to see how much MPG I get during this week as I need to make a few longer journeys where there will be less traffic (hopefully).
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47mpg worst (driving like an idiot - near red line every gear), 56mpg best on motorway journey to Wales and back.
But mostly 50 - 52mpg with normal driving.
Kia Rio 1.5l Diesel
Around £80 - £100 a month on fuel over a 1000 miles a month
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Subaru Legacy diesel does about 40 MPG (computer claims about 44!)
That's virtually no town driving as I live in the country. Mostly motorway at 80/85 MPH and A roads. Very few short journeys, annual mileage over 30K. Climate control on all the time.
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My Espero is now bringing in a weekly 36-37 mpg, despite a now diagnosed internally disintergrating backbox, mainly in the backlanes, I can see it topping 40 on a long run, maybe more when I can be botehred to sort the exhaust.
I wouldnt be boasting about a Panda that does 38 mpg, thats terrible, try using 2nd gear ;-)
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Between 37mpg for constant very high speed driving on the autobahn up to 45mpg when driving with a bit of restraint. BMW 530d automatic.
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1800cc + slushbox - I can get 45MPG if I drive like one of Lud's Mmmmates,
I don't hang around though but I don't thrash the critter either.
Wifey can only manage around 37 MPG I've noticed ... but she's a Woman :)
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Funny isnt it Dog, how the wives use more fuel.
My misses can only get 40 mpg outta her car, but give me a week and I get an easy 45 mpg. She guns it out of junctions more than me, but her terminal speed is lower overall. Must be that. Time of the month an all that.
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Alfa 156 2.4JTD 150 - I've only bothered calculating it once, on a run from Liverpool to Herts and back. I got 54mpg.
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About 45mpg in the CC3 - 2.0ltr diesel manual.
Drops a bit in the colder weather, and some brands seem to give a bit more mileage than others, but I've not worked out which is which.
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C5 - pretty consistent 53 mpg on my daily commute and a bit of local town work.
Worst I have managed is 48, and best was 60 when they had roadworks on the M5 so most of my commute was limited to 50mph
Can drop one or two mpg when Mrs B drives, but she has lead left foot, and no anticipation of traffic conditions
The C5 is quite a relaxing car so it does not really encourage you to drive hard, but in contrast you often find that you are going far faster than you realise.
Rattle - your low figure surprises me, but I guess it goes to show that the smallest engine in the range is not always the most economical. What's the gearing like? I would have thought that you could hit 50 plus mph in second in most petrol models
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>>She guns it out of junctions more than me<<
Exactly the same here, I'll never forget yars and yars ago when we had a Doly Sprint and she would floor the loud pedal scaring the life out of me but ... she hails from Essex you see :-)
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About 35 from the new BMW, but it's really only been driven in stop start traffic up to now and is an automatic. Expecting mid-50's on the 300 mile motorway on Friday, will be a bit of shouting at the dealer if it doesn't come close. Assume the DPF thing will regenerate on the motorway, which might have a small impact.
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Has yours got this stop start thing ?
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Oh dear. It appears I get the worst average here. I measure brim to brim, although the computer is pretty accurate, and the Skoda is averaging just over 26mpg. Recent tanks have been nearer 20mpg so the average is dropping. I can get over 40mpg on a long motorway run, but they are few and fare between, unfortunately.
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>> >>She guns it out of junctions more than me<<
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>> Exactly the same here, I'll never forget yars and yars ago when we had a
>> Doly Sprint and she would floor the loud pedal scaring the life out of me
>> but ... she hails from Essex you see :-)
Yeah well, in Essex if you leave more than a millimetre gap between you and the car in front of you, someone is trying to cut you up, so you end up driving aggressively just to maintain your position. In towns anyway.
You'd think she would have realised she doesn't live in Essex anymore now, wouldn't you, but I guess old habits die hard :-)
Mind you, in the days of the Dolly Sprint the roads would have been empty (relatively).
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90% urban driving. 7 Year old Yaris diesel.
Averages 57mpg over last 4 years.
Driven gently I can average 59, hard 54. Long motorways under 65mph? 65..
Always thrashed hard before MOT to clear carbon: averages c 53 then...
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35mpg urban, 40mpg on a run.
I have a heavy right foot.
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"I have a heavy right foot."
Did you eat all the pies?
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Are there any left round your way?
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It comes hard to cut up pedantic with the Sheikh, but I have to do it for my own self-respect and that of my twittering, disapproving homologues.
The title of this thread should begin 'What MPG....' or 'How many MPG...', not 'How much MPG...'
Sorry Rattolo, but you are still 2.1 material in English grammar terms. Better than most of your teachers probably, but that's no excuse.
:o}
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>>Yeah well, in Essex if you leave more than a millimetre gap between you and the car in front of you, someone is trying to cut you up<<
Yep! Takes me a'back to the A12/13 etc when I used to drive to Brentwood every weekend!
>>Mind you, in the days of the Dolly Sprint the roads would have been empty (relatively).<<
Not down the ole Kent Rd. it wasn't, and its even worse these days from what I hear, but then ain't everywhere :(
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19.5 - 20 mpg is usual for mine, outer London commute before the rush hour and home again before the evening one.
Longer journeys used to get up to 26.5mpg....once got 34mpg, but soon got bored.
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According to the computer on my 1.6 Megane, I average 41.2. This is on a mix of dual carriageway, rural nsl and town driving. Doesn't seem that great to me, and £40 a week in petrol is making me want a diesel!
My work transport averages around 7mpg!
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MPG's old hat, it's smiles per mile now.
Octavia Vrs - 4 smiles per mile on the motorway, 10 on nsl, 2 in town
728i - 3 / mile motorway, 2 / mile nsl, negative infinity per mile caged in a town
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46. Thought I'd spare you the boring details.....
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330d (245PS manual) - average 44mpg over 23K miles, best 54mpg on long run, worst 41mpg on a fill with Morrisons Diesel with lots of urban work. Amazing for a 245PS engine in a car that can do 0-62mph in 6.2s I'd suggest. At least 10 Smiles per Mile.
Golf VI 1.4TSi 122PS, 37mpg average, almost all urban motoring, best 44mpg, worst 31mpg. Not bad for a petrol in this kind of usage IMHO. Probably 6 Smiles Per Mile average.
Currently, my feet, 2 Weetabix=2Km walked daily, not sure of the calorific equivalent but many Smiles per Mile (and a few grimaces). My carbon footprint would be very small if it wasn't for the monthly long-haul flights ;-)
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36.8 mpg averaged over 50,000 miles for my 2 litre petrol Focus.
You can't get a realistic figure by calculating between fill-ups. You need to record every drop of fuel you buy, and the mileage covered, over a period of at least a momth. You can expect to find a significant difference from one month to the next, and the monthly (or whatever) average will vary from one season to another.
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>>. You can expect to find a significant difference from one month to the
>> next, and the monthly (or whatever) average will vary from one season to another.
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Certainly does, just to add a whole new level of boring detail to the thread here's a graph of the fuel consumption of one of my Omegas over a tax year - even the 7 tank moving average varies 5mpg, despite the fact that mu usage pattern wouldn't have changed much over the 12 months:-
tinypic.com/r/2lo3ho9/7
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Kia Ceed 1.6 Petrol Automatic
Best 40 MPG, Worst 35 MPG
Average 37 MPG
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BMW 320d Touring - Automatic
In mixed driving, 45 MPG.
On a motorway run at 70 mph, 52 MPG.
Considering the size and performance of the car, and the fact that it is an automatic, I think that these figures excellent. (See, I don't always criticise BMW! :-) )
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Golf 1.4 Petrol manual - driving is 50/50 motorway and urban 'standstill'. Averages 42 during the weekly commute. On a long run it creeps up to nearly 48.
Trip computer wildy inaccurate though - claimed 52mpg this morning, and even after 30 minutes of heavy city traffic only dropped to 46.5mpg. I wish!
£200 a month in fuel. Starting to feel I should have got another diesel!
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Subaru Outback diesel - 42mpg over last 3,000 miles using brim to brim but 46mpg on trip computer. That's mainly long runs and at 80 'ish on motorways here and in France with not much pottering about town. Aircon seems to clobber it by as much as 4mpg on motorway runs according to the computer - not very scientific but out of idle curiosity measured it once at at 70 to 80 mph from Slough to Swindon at 42mpg and with it off on the way back at 46.5 mpg. That's the M4 for you - yawn!
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32.6 over the last 8 months, recorded brim to brim manually. Computer average is slightly higher. Driving a mix of gentle rural stuff (caravan convoys on A65) and 'higher' speeds when the roads are clearer. NSL, dual carriageways & motorways where I cruise at an indicated 85/90...much to the annoyance of SWMBO whose company Insignia chokes at anything less than that!
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I've not answered this thread yet because my mileage has dropped significantly. I've done 4,000 miles since the MoT 6 months ago, and I tend to work out where I'm going over the next week and fuel the Escort accordingly, i.e. if I know I'm going to cover 90-100 miles next week I'll put fifteen quid in.
Reckon I'm getting 40ish mpg, I base my calculations on that figure and it hasn't run out yet :)
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I just stick £11.00 in each time and then fill it up once I have done around 80 miles. The needle is usually just before the empty part of the gauge and probably 5-10 miles before the warning light comes on.
I won't put any more in it because I drive a worthless Fiat Panda so the petrol is worth more than the car :p (never mind its brand new - well was).
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>> The needle is usually just before the empty part of the
>> gauge and probably 5-10 miles before the warning light comes on.
It's people like you that I see walking along the road carrying a petrol can!
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Never fill mine up before the light come on. Computer says around 80 miles left, but never pushed it past about 50 before filling up.
Rattle - why £11 ? just fill it up! Your time is more valuable than popping in and out of the petrol station
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>>Rattle - why £11 ? >>
Rattle says the petrol is worth more than the Fiat Panda..:-)
Even though it's nearly new.
Mind you he rarely drives further than the end of the road and back according to his postings.....
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Xsara Picasso HDi 90 and Xantia HDi 110..both average pretty close to 45mpg, we cover c35,000 miles/year between them so that's 3500 litres of diesel/year or c£4250 at today's prices.... Glad I don't have petrols!
That Panda of Rattle's has only done about 1500 miles - not even nearly run in yet!
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Regarding Rattle's comment about use of gears; I wonder how many of our younger drivers get considerably worse MPG figures because of the modern teaching of gearbox technique?
For instance, when I was taught to drive, it was down the box in sequence, using the engine for gentle braking, but Mrs. H was taught to dump the car into second whilst still doing about 30 mph, then of course accelerating off the island/junction/whatever in what proves to be too high a gear.
I used to object, but nowadays comfort myself with a silent wince.
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I have been driving for more years than I can remember, and approaching a hazard, I was always taught to select the gear you need, not sequentially go up and down the box.
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>> because of the modern teaching of gearbox technique?
The current teaching's pretty spot on, i think? The biggest difference i'm aware of is they're teaching learners not to get up through the box ASAP (i was taught that and i was only learning in 2002) but that 3rd gear in town is fine (improved car control via better engine braking, no loss of fuel economy).
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>>but that 3rd gear in town is fine (improved car control via better engine braking, no loss of fuel economy).>>
Agreed, apart from no loss of fuel economy, and I tend to use the gears and anticipation to slow down as and when necessary.
But when I originally got behind the wheel (several decades ago) my father, a keen driver as well as an engineer, pointed out to me that it was cheaper to replace brake linings than gearboxes....:-)
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In July this year I changed my car and now own a Suzuki Ignis Sport. 1500cc dohc 107 bhp.
Driven on my commute to work from Suffolk into Cambridgeshire - A14 & A428, I have averaged over 45mpg.
Having driven diesels prior to that for 10 years I am very pleased with the little Suzuki.
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How much MPG do you get? - hobby
