Motoring Discussion > Fatal crashes in Lincs, top car models involved	Miscellaneous
Thread Author: L'escargot	Replies: 35

Fri 12 Mar 10 09:50   Fatal crashes in Lincs, top car models involved - L'escargot

According to our local paper, the following is the list of the cars in which people were fatally injured on Lincolnshire's roads since 2005. 1= Ford Fiesta - 9. 1= Vauxhall Corsa - 9 3. Vauxhall Astra - 8 3. Ford Escort/Orion - 7 4. Peugeot 206 - 6 5. Honda Civic - 6 6= BMW 3 Series - 4 6= Peugeot 306 - 4 6= Peugeot 307 - 4 6= Renault Clio - 4 6= Rover 200/25 - 4 7= Citroen Saxo - 3 7= Daewoo/Chevrolet Matiz - 3 7= Fiat Punto - 3 7= Ford Focus - 3 7= Ford Transit - 3 7= Mini - 3 7= Renault Megane - 3 8= DAF articulated lorry - 2 8= Ford Mondeo - 2 8= Mercedes Benz Sprinter - 2 8= Nissan Micra - 2 8= Peugeot 205 8= Peugeot 406 8= Renault Laguna - 2 8= Rover 600 - 2 8= Suzuki Swift - 2 8= Vauxhall Cavalier - 2 8= Vauxhall Vectra - 2 8= Volkswagen Golf - 2 8= Volkswagen Polo - 2 There were 55 fatalities of people who had been on motorcycles or scooters. Most dangerous colours since 2006 ~ no data previously kept. Blue - 44 Red - 26 Black - 25 Silver - 23 Green - 20 Grey - 7 White and blue - 4 (What cars are white and blue?) Purple - 2 Gold - 2 Last edited by: L'escargot on Fri 12 Mar 10 at 09:52 Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 12 Mar 10 09:53   Fatal crashes in Lincs, top car models involved - R.P.

Obviously a slow news day too small a statistical slice to prove anything and too many variables. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 12 Mar 10 12:32   Fatal crashes in Lincs, top car models involved - L'escargot

>> Obviously a slow news day too small a statistical slice to prove anything and too >> many variables. >> I don't think the writer of the article was trying to prove anything, but merely presenting the facts. There are regularly articles about the nunber of accidents and fatalities on Lincolnshire roads. Perhaps next time they'll include the ages of the drivers and the age of the vehicles. It all adds to life's rich pattern. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 12 Mar 10 09:58   Fatal crashes in Lincs, top car models involved - Alanovich

>> White and blue - 4 (What cars are white and blue?) Citroen 2CV6 Beachcomber. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 12 Mar 10 10:10   Fatal crashes in Lincs, top car models involved - Focusless

>> >> White and blue - 4 (What cars are white and blue?) >> >> Citroen 2CV6 Beachcomber. Fiesta ST? EDIT: cdn-www.rsportscars.com/foto/2005geneva/ford_fiesta_st_01.JPG Last edited by: Focus on Fri 12 Mar 10 at 10:11 Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 12 Mar 10 10:53   Fatal crashes in Lincs, top car models involved - Arctophile

>> White and blue - 4 (What cars are white and blue?) Police cars? Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 12 Mar 10 10:12   Fatal crashes in Lincs, top car models involved - -

Shows how popular small hatch's are in that area or how fragile, would be interesting to see a similar list for Surrey or Dorset. Glad i run a 4x4 by the way. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 12 Mar 10 10:15   Fatal crashes in Lincs, top car models involved - Focusless

Interesting that the Escort/Orion is so high up - there can't be that many still around. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 12 Mar 10 10:16   Fatal crashes in Lincs, top car models involved - BiggerBadderDave

Perhaps there were 7 people in one Orion. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 12 Mar 10 10:20   Fatal crashes in Lincs, top car models involved - Focusless

>> Perhaps there were 7 people in one Orion. I thought the numbers were number of vehicles rather than fatalities, but the latter makes more sense. Last edited by: Focus on Fri 12 Mar 10 at 10:20 Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 12 Mar 10 10:27   Fatal crashes in Lincs, top car models involved - Dog

This is the proof we've needed - that vehicles are normally involved in fatal road accidents. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 12 Mar 10 12:28   Fatal crashes in Lincs, top car models involved - L'escargot

>> I thought the numbers were number of vehicles rather than fatalities but the latter makes >> more sense. >> They were the number of vehicles. There was no mention of the number of fatalities. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 12 Mar 10 10:21   Fatal crashes in Lincs, top car models involved - -

>> Interesting that the Escort/Orion is so high up - there can't be that many still >> around. A lot of older very cheap cars running round Lincs, many minimum wage land workers. The accident rate for these cars doesn't surprise me, fenland driving is dangerous these days for a number of reasons, a Landcruiser is a worthwhile survival investement. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 12 Mar 10 10:28   Fatal crashes in Lincs, top car models involved - Alanovich

a Landcruiser is a worthwhile survival investement. >> Not for the rest of us who choose proper road cars for driving on roads it isn't. Land Cruisers may not be on that Lincolnshire list, but the DAF Articulated Lorry is. Fat lot of good those did for their occupants. So size is no guarnatee of survival. And perhaps it was collision with Land Cruisers which did for the occupants of those proper cars. There are so many factors which make SUVs more dangerous than standard cars, but we (not personally, as a forum community I mean) have been through this all before in another place and I suppose nothing is going to make you challenge your beliefs. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 12 Mar 10 10:37   Fatal crashes in Lincs, top car models involved - -

>> There are so many factors which make SUVs more dangerous than standard cars but we >> (not personally as a forum community I mean) have been through this all before in >> another place and I suppose nothing is going to make you challenge your beliefs. >> Seeing as i don't go round running into other people as a rule i'll buy exactly what i want to stop some drunken or otherwise incompetent killing us when he drives his possibly uninsured 15 year old heap into me...well that isn't the reason for owning something tougher but it's a handy bonus. No 4x4 is on that list nor is any substantial car which proves conclusively that any car bigger than that deemed suitable by the commissar responsible for car allocation must be a killer then by your logic. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 12 Mar 10 10:42   Fatal crashes in Lincs, top car models involved - Alanovich

I'm sorry GB but you're completely ignoring the presence of "Leyland DAF Articulated Lorry" on the list. Evdiently you're as likely to be killed in one of these as in a Nissan Micra, by your logic. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 12 Mar 10 11:00   Fatal crashes in Lincs, top car models involved - -

Wasn't ignoring it Alanovic didn't want to divert the thread but seeing as you asked..;), artic tractors and other trucks have always been a death trap for the driver, it depends on what you hit... Hit a car/van and the truck driver is safe (unlike the car/van driver) unless the impact rolls the truck or puts it off the road into a tree or similar, the chassis is virtually indestructible and the fragility of the cab doesn't come into play, the problem comes when it's a dead stop either by immovable object or other truck...the following 30+ tons of load/body doesn't want to stop and doesn't...it's one of the reasons why i don't wear the truck seat belt, no point if it's needed there's a 99% chance too late anyway. The big problem with European cabover trucks is that the driver sits right at the front in a very flimsy cab just like bus and caoch drivers, and i've personally known several drivers over the years who have died in Daf trucks, coincidence by being a popular purchase or something else i don't know. As likely to be killed in an artic as a Micra, yes probably more likely, i have covered for the last 35 years 75 to 90K miles a year at work in a truck like most other long term drivers the risk must be far greater than the average Micra driver that probably covers 6 to 10K per year, the truck on 2 way roads makes a far larger and less evasive target than a car too, it all adds up. Last edited by: gordonbennet on Fri 12 Mar 10 at 11:01 Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 12 Mar 10 11:07   Fatal crashes in Lincs, top car models involved - Alanovich

Interesting stuff GB, thanks. I didn't think it was a diversion as artics are listed in the list in the original post. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 12 Mar 10 11:12   Fatal crashes in Lincs, top car models involved - -

>> Interesting stuff GB thanks. I didn't think it was a diversion as artics are listed >> in the list in the original post. ah good point that...;) Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 12 Mar 10 11:16   Fatal crashes in Lincs, top car models involved - Alanovich

And at least it kept us away from even more squabbling about 4x4s.... ;-) But seriously, if you saw the amount of Range Rovers, Cherokees, Cayennes and the like in my son's school car park every day, I think even you'd be a little nauseated............my Golf looks like a flippin' toy in there. Never mind the wife's Smart Roadster...... Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 12 Mar 10 11:34   Fatal crashes in Lincs, top car models involved - -

>> But seriously if you saw the amount of Range Rovers Cherokees Cayennes and the like >> in my son's school car park every day I think even you'd be a little >> nauseated no doubt and watching the likely appalling capabilty of the drivers involved probably groanworthy, having said that they are using the car park...most school run offroaders i see stop in the most dangerous spot they can find at the narrowest point in the street, unable to climb the kerb even on 35 aspect tyres. Last edited by: gordonbennet on Fri 12 Mar 10 at 11:35 Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 12 Mar 10 11:43   Fatal crashes in Lincs, top car models involved - Iffy

...I think even you'd be a little nauseated.... Don't start me on school run mothers.... There's a fee-paying school near me which has a similar selection of vehicles. All carrying one adult and one child. And don't you dare impede their progress by crossing the road - what a nasty scowl you'll get. There will be exceptions, but a significant number of these parents think they are better than us peasants who can't afford - or don't want - an enormous car. On a different tack, thanks to gb for those few lines about how artics behave in accidents - most of it was news to me. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 12 Mar 10 11:51   Fatal crashes in Lincs, top car models involved - -

>> And don't you dare impede their progress by crossing the road - what a nasty >> scowl you'll get. Wasn't in a large car but i got a blast on the hooter by daring to cross a McDonalds car park the other day and i impeded the flat out progress of young mother and her offspring in 206cc leaving the drive thru and desperate to get to a parking space 25 yards away...i did my usual under those circumstances stopped turned waved and gave a big grin as if i knew them..they really don't know how to react to that. What is it with people flying around car parks these days. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 12 Mar 10 11:58   Fatal crashes in Lincs, top car models involved - Iffy

...What is it with people flying around car parks these days... Don't get me started on car parks - haven't got the replacement lens for the CC3 yet. And the guy that hit me was 'driving' a half-cab 4X4, not that I'm trying to make a point about that. :) Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 12 Mar 10 12:47   Fatal crashes in Lincs, top car models involved - Bellboy

1= Ford Fiesta - 9. 1= Vauxhall Corsa - 9 3. Vauxhall Astra - 8 3. Ford Escort/Orion - 7 4. Peugeot 206 - 6 5. Honda Civic - 6 6= BMW 3 Series - 4 6= Peugeot 306 - 4 all cars driven by younger drivers who normally bling them up and take risks remember any chavs reading this there is more than one types of dyke Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 12 Mar 10 12:52   Fatal crashes in Lincs, top car models involved - Alanovich

Awful lot of pensioners round my way drive those models too, including the 3-series Bee Emm Dubya. I would say that the Honda Civic is easily the most mimsed car I see day-to-day. Followed by the Honda Jazz, of course. Lots of mimsing in BMs round here too, old folk who buy all sorts from 3s to 7s for their retirement. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 12 Mar 10 13:08   Fatal crashes in Lincs, top car models involved - L'escargot

>> Awful lot of pensioners .............. Are you saying we're awful? ;-) Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 12 Mar 10 13:14   Fatal crashes in Lincs, top car models involved - Snakey

I suppose you can read that table in two ways. It shows either the least safe cars or simply the most popular cars and therefore most likely to be in an accident of any kind. Probably the latter when you see Focus and Golf are in there. Both pretty safe cars but very popular choices. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 12 Mar 10 13:45   Fatal crashes in Lincs, top car models involved - Boxsterboy

Predictably this list of 'most fatalities in a car crash' broadly follow the best-selling car lists, with one major exception. The Daewoo/Chevy Matiz, in at no. 7. Oh, it's also one of the smallests cars on sale ... Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 12 Mar 10 13:49   Fatal crashes in Lincs, top car models involved - Zero

Your just as likely to drown upside down in the water at the side of a drift or drove in a 4x4 as anything else. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 12 Mar 10 14:36   Fatal crashes in Lincs, top car models involved - spamcan61

>> >> remember any chavs reading this there is more than one types of dyke >> I'm making that my thought for the day. I notice the Rover 600 and Cavalier both make it into the list, despite being pretty rare these days. Last edited by: spamcan61 on Fri 12 Mar 10 at 14:38 Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 12 Mar 10 20:38   Fatal crashes in Lincs, top car models involved - RattleandSmoke

It looks like a list of the best selling models to me. I repair more Dell computers than any other brand, it dosn't mean Dell are crap it is that Dell sell more than any other brand. I could say that the Fiesta and Corsa top the list because its new and inexperienced drivers that have often drive them. I've had four cars, three of them have been Fiestas and the other a Corsa. Last edited by: RattleandSmoke on Fri 12 Mar 10 at 20:39 Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 12 Mar 10 20:53   Fatal crashes in Lincs, top car models involved - Bellboy

well dont go to lincolnshire then ;-) Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 12 Mar 10 21:27   Fatal crashes in Lincs, top car models involved - Zero

Lets face it, the swamp monkeys are seriously rubbish drivers. If it hasnt got big knobbly tyres, a turnip harrow on the back, and a top speed of 15 mph, they are seriously dangerous. Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 13 Mar 10 07:12   Fatal crashes in Lincs, top car models involved - L'escargot

>> Lets face it the swamp monkeys are seriously rubbish drivers. I'm a swamp dweller so watch what you're saying! Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 13 Mar 10 08:19   Fatal crashes in Lincs, top car models involved - Perky Penguin

Another aspect of Lincolnshire roads is that, in the East where the land is flat and the locals have 2 heads and know their sisters very well, the roads are not straight but there no hedges or telegraph poles to give one a clue of forthcoming bends and corners. Many accidents are caused by people spearing off a road into a ditch or dyke. Reply to this message | Report message