Going to Liverpool shortly to meet some family, who will travel from just over the border in N Wales. (they will come by train)
Undecided about route after reaching the M6 where the A14 ends.
M6 and Toll and M6 and M56 or M62 or up to Derby and A50 across to Stoke on Trent and meander a bit via Northwich etc.
Travellin weekday leaving very early..
Suggestions
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Are you meeting them at Lime Street or somewhere else in the city?
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We are staying in a waterfront hotel and will meet at James street station (on the Wirral line)
Once I get to the hotel, the car is staying in the car park for 4 days..
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Son in Liverpool so I know that area well. Stayed at the Atlantic Tower several times.
M6 or M1/A50 would be driven by traffic/time considerations. Would need a large time saving to justify using the M6 toll. I actually quite like the A50, off motorway keeps the senses going.
I'd use the M62 to access the and follow signs/satnav for whichever hotel you're using.
The M56 route via Runcorn and the Speke Expressway involves Merseyflow and tolls.
Last edited by: Bromptonaut on Sat 1 Aug 26 at 13:34
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Do what I do and leave it to Google Maps - the only decision is whether or not to allow tolls in settings for the M6 Toll.
If it’s the lowest fuss solution you’re looking for, up the M6 to the M62 and turn left.
If I’m on my running costs, I don’t use the M6 Toll, if I can expense it then I use it at peak times.
Always fun when I’ve a LHD car…
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I think I'll see what the traffic is like as I go. If it's the M6 toll, I'll obey SWMBO...
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I’m currently in Anglesey after departing south Essex . M11 to A14 then pick up M6 /M6 toll ( £12 ) . Up past stoke on Trent and swing a left just below Chester to pick up the A55 along the north Wales coast.
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The best and direct route to Liverpool city centre is via M6 and then the M62 which will take you to the city centre. James Street station is not far from the Pier Head.
Last edited by: Robbie34 on Sun 2 Aug 26 at 13:05
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>> The best and direct route to Liverpool city centre is via M6 and then the
>> M62 which will take you to the city centre. James Street station is not far
>> from the Pier Head.
That tallies with my experience meeting our son though we often leave the car with him near West Derby and use Ubers to get into town.
When he was at Uni near St Michaels and later living near Lark Lane we used the M56 and Runcorn/new bridge. As mentioned above these are tolled via Merseyflow. The Lad wasn't very good at remembering to pay for his crossings and kept getting Penalty Charges which landed on my doormat as during a peripatetic period between graduating and securing a proper job his car remained registered at my address.
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Going via Runcorn is a long way round. After crossing the Mersey the road then goes through Speke and South Liverpool. Better to take the M57 on that road, and then the M62.
I spent a few years at the University of Liverpool, and later got my Master's there. However, the road system in the City centre has changed enormously since then.
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>> Going via Runcorn is a long way round. After crossing the Mersey the road then goes through Speke and South Liverpool. Better to take the M57 on that road, and then the M62. >>
If you use the Runcorn bridge (either new or old one) the toll is £2.40 per crossing, which you have to pay (online) before midnight the next day, on pain of a fine. If you haven't used the new bridge before, you might find it interesting.
But the choice depends whether time or simplicity is of the essence. I don't think the M6 Toll is worth it unless congestion is significant at the time. If you have plenty of time and like a journey on fairly quiet A-roads needing some thought, you could do what I do when going south - A51 Nantwich to Lichfield then A5 as far as you want. Much more interesting.
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Thanks everyone,
I'll listen to the voice(s) of reason. M62 it'll be.
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That's a longish journey!
I've wasted too many hours of my life that I can't get back trying to avoid the M6 Toll. I'm still a fan of avoiding motorways at times but for a 4hr + journey I'd rather get a move on. For me M6 (inc Toll) and turn left M62! - simples.
I'd certainly avoid Derby, it always seems to take ages and there are numerous cameras of various sorts trying to catch you out in unfamiliar areas!
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In the end, Northbound, we did A120/M11/A14 then M1 to A50 across to Stoke on Trent, M6/M56 then M53 and through the Kingsway tunnel with a stop at Port Sunlight and the Lady Lever gallery.
Back was M62/M6/A14 and A12, travel times at Brum for the Toll or old M6 were showing as 9 minutes difference, so went old bit and got through nicely.
61 mpg northbound and 59 mpg coming home.
Happy with that.
Youngrovergirl says she prefers it to the Korando...
Last edited by: ORB>>> on Fri 7 Aug 26 at 17:17
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>> 61 mpg northbound and 59 mpg coming home.
Pretty good going!
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>> 61 mpg northbound and 59 mpg coming home.>
>> Pretty good going!>>
What speed was the cruise set at? In what car? (can't see it mentioned above, apart from 'it'!)
Last edited by: John F on Thu 13 Aug 26 at 10:15
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What speed was the cruise set at? In what car?
John..
Current car is the S Cross 1.4 boosterjet 6 speed manual.
I am not a fan of "cruise control" .. Speeds were 65-70 ish mph and as appropriate in other zones.
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I use cruise control a lot but reading in some EV / PHEV groups that its not very good for regen.
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That’s really a misunderstanding of regen.Regen captures otherwise lost energy when you are braking. If you are driving along at a constant speed whether using cruise control or not you won’t be gaining much from regen simply because you are not braking.
Personally I dislike crise control and very seldom use it.
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But do you not also get regen when you take your foot off the pedal and "coast" which maybe some folk do - in fact I have one friend who is an awful driver and I get out the car seasick as he accelerates, takes foot off accelerator, slows down, and then accelerates again - and this is on a motorway!
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But do you not also get regen when you take your foot off the pedal and "coast"
No the car will simply slow down as a result of friction..
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>>No the car will simply slow down as a result of friction..
Google says - Lifting the pedal: In many electric cars, taking your foot off the accelerator engages regenerative braking right away. The motor works in reverse to slow the car down and turn that movement into electricity
Will definitely do this in one pedal mode
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Yes obviously if regenerative braking is engaged the car will regenerate some electricity if you take your foot off the accelerator.
Equally obviously it will not regenerate if you have disengaged regeneration. LIt will simply coast and eventually stop. If driving in circumstances where you can anticipate when you need to slow coasting to gently slow down is the better option.
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>> But do you not also get regen when you take your foot off the pedal
>> and "coast"
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>> No the car will simply slow down as a result of friction..
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That does often depend on the driving mode you select though. As standard I agree, most EVs will just coast and slow down with friction / aerodynamic drag if you take your foot off the power. But in one pedal mode they will actively slow down using regen, and in mine in ‘adaptive regen’ choosing to coast might or might not result in the use of regen braking depending on what the car can see ahead of it. I drive in adaptive mode most of the time, as it seems to deliver the best drivability and efficiency for me. I particularly like being able to barrel along, take my foot off the accelerator and let the car slow down to the speed it thinks a corner should be navigated. It takes quite a sporting approach at times!
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>> I use cruise control a lot but reading in some EV / PHEV groups that
>> its not very good for regen.
I wonder why that should be? I've found it more economical on fuel in ICE engined cars than just using my right foot and I once squeezed 90 MPG out of an Austin Maxi on an economy run.
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There was a recall on the early MG5s because the "strongest" setting for regen braking applied the brakes such that the brake lights should have come on, but they didn't.
Must admit, I had one and didn't really think the braking was that harsh but there are legal definitions of when the lights should come on with which it didn't comply.
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Thanks ORB. That's very good mpg for a four pot 1.4 turbo. I use CC as much as possible - all the time on a recent return trip to Norwich (200 miles) at quieter times on A14/A11. On this occasion I set it at 70mph, clicking up a few mph occasionally when in a painfully slow overtake to pull in and allow those coming up faster behind to come by. Our little Peugeot 2008 three pot 1.2 turbo managed 50.3 mpg, which is about as good as it gets for this sporty (130hp) little engine. Long term mainly in lower gears it averages just over 41 with Mrs F, who never uses cruise - and possibly never the EAT6's long legged (30mph/1000revs) top (6th) gear!
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That's very good mpg for a four pot 1.4 turbo.
I did a brim to brim so on arrival at Liverpool and mt val agreed pretty well with what the car said.
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>> I did a brim to brim so on arrival at Liverpool and mt val agreed
>> pretty well with what the car said.
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Similarly with my Suzuki (Swace) I did quite a few Spritmonitor logs and overall the mpg was very close to the onboard computer. Some readings were up and some down but I always stop filling at one click, which can vary between pumps - but on average it was surprisingly close.
After a while once I knew onboard figures were close I became rather bored of updating Spritmonitor.
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Same with my Swift, the on board is fairly accurate, currently saying the average to be 68mpg.
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>>After a while once I knew onboard figures were close I became rather bored of updating Spritmonitor.
Ooft amateur, you mean you don't have a spreadsheet going back for every car you owned since you first learnt to use Lotus 1,2,3......
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>> ... you mean you don't have a spreadsheet going back for every car you owned since you first learnt to use Lotus 1,2,3...... >>
No, I don't, but I have paper records (small jotters to fit a glovebox). And to get a correct answer I plot a graph covering a few thousand miles and calculate the slope.
I think electronic odometers get pretty accurate results, but mpg depends on aggregating the quantities of fuel injected. Not sure what happens if they need cleaning ?
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Colchester to Liverpool (and back) - Bromptonaut
