At 34,000 miles two of the Pug's Goodyear Vector 4seasons have just failed the MoT because of 'cuts...down to the cord'. To replace them both is going to be nearly £300! Only a few years ago I reshod all four of the Audi's wheels for £250. Why has such a mundane item for a mundane car become so expensive? For those on a tight budget this would be a major problem. AFAIK there has been little change in tyre technology since 2000. Perfectly good examples of other more advanced and continually improving commodities like TVs, cameras, microwaves etc all relatively decrease in price and some of these complex items are now available for less than £100. The argument in favour of 'ditchfinders' becomes ever stronger, especially when the advantage of the purported extra longevity of so-called 'premium' tyres is negated by the risk of such a failure (there is still 3mm left on the tread).
Furthermore, this is the sort of needless 'failure' one cannot dispute even though the pressure in my ancient cracked thin bicycle tyre is about three times that of a relatively low pressured car tyre which will apparently take another 150psi before it might burst.
PS Why is there still no 2008 model in the Peugeot model dropdown list? It's not that rare and it's been around for over a decade.
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I needed two tyres for the Polo last month. A pair of "Ditchfinders" cost me £100.
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>> What size are they?
205/50 R17
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Paid £540 for four Michelin all season tyres. Will probably last me around three years. £180 a year to keep me and my passengers safe doesn’t seem too unreasonable.A very average pub meal cost me £80 for two on Sunday.
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Because of the environmental cost to produce and dispose of perhaps?
Although I did have hopes that the improved and ingenious use of tyre recycling would bring that cost factor down.
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£300 for a pair of Michelin Pilots on Seoras the Skoda, 215/55 R17.
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>> A very average pub meal cost me £80 for two on Sunday.
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Actually Duncan I've been in three out of four of the Norwich Wetherspoons. (Iwouldn't venture into the Whiffler on The Mile Cross Estate after dark even if they were giving the beer away).
Just about OK for a drink in the other three but wouldn't actually fancy a meal in any of them
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>> those on a tight budget this would be a major problem. AFAIK there has been
>> little change in tyre technology since 2000.
Get yourself a 70 quid per corner chineese ditchfinder tyre, and you will find out what y2000 tyre technology was really like.
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>> PS Why is there still no 2008 model in the Peugeot model dropdown list? It's
>> not that rare and it's been around for over a decade.
The drop down list came over from HJ when this site started c2010. Except perhaps in Technical everybody posts in the category 'miscellaneous' where the Make/Model isn't needed.
It's put in detail in the first line of the post where it's relevant.
The place is maintained by volunteer mods and hosted in marginal time by the Khoo organisation.
There's neither need nor resource to keep model lists up to date.
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Th8nk you need to ask yourself John "what price do you put on your safety "?
Your post reads like you resent the mot failure, let's be honest tyres cut to the cords is b***** dangerous .
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Any idea how they became cut?
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Probably driven over some road debris. A thrown and smashed bottle can cause carnage to a tyre.
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>> Any idea how they became cut?
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Nope - and I didn't get to see them because I arranged for a mobile service to deal withh them.....which i suppose I had to do as they were classed as 'dangerous defects'.....and the MoT had run out a couple of days before.
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where are you looking?
I too am in the hunt for 2x all season tyres but for my Corolla TS 2x Goodyear Vector4Seasons G3 in 225/40 R18 would be ~£205 fitted.
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As said, depends how much you value the quality of the only 4 patches of car joining the road surface.
Over the years some perceived 'ditchfinders' reach the status of 'Premium' brands. I can think of Nexen, Hankook and Khumo as examples. These have been joined by Nankang. Pricing gives you some indication but is not necessarily conclusive.
I recently replaced a pair of 19" Nexen on my Sportage. In Jan 22 at 32,314 miles I paid £116 inc VAT each. The replacements at 51,400 miles were £136 inc VAT each.
That was about 19,000 miles. The original Hankooks lasted 32,314 miles with a front to rear rotation at 19,000 miles. This last set I didn't bother rotating.
So the Hankooks had more mileage in them.
This last time I was flirting with Accelera at £84 but went for the Nexen. Maxxis, Devanti, previously classed as 'budget" were all coming in at similar mid range prices.
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A lot of the problem now is the width and profile of tyres fitted to newer cars. Keeping all that width and lack of flexibility in contact with the surface of the road through a lot of water at high speeds with acceptable levels of noise and mpg takes much more tyre tech than it used to when we had wagon wheel width.
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Ok quick check reveals for my Beemer I can go 170 quid per corner for A wet rating/B fuel consumption/70db noise, or 100 quid per corner for C wet rating, D fuel consumption, 72db noise.
Take your pick, but I know where my non aquaplaning money is going.
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John, Maybe your economics are fine regarding routine maintenance BUT those tyres are your life savers in poor conditions. Think of MrsJ..
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>> John, Maybe your economics are fine regarding routine maintenance BUT those tyres are your life
>> savers in poor conditions. Think of MrsJ..
Oh, I do, I do! That's why I electronically prised open my i-wallet for quality tread (not that Mrs F ever gets anywhere near the adhesive limit of even four bald ditchfinders on a rainy day).
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Many things greatly affect tyre prices. Being Ultra low profile is one factor but rarity is another. What size are the tyres for the 2008?
I've been careful which tyres I get as until recently I had a rather long commute - get it wrong and tyres quickly become a significant cost factor. With my last three cars since 2005 I've managed to stick to one size 205/55 R16. Laterly Michelin Crossclimate life circa 30-35k miles.
My previous Octavia poverty spec had an even taller profile that started off cheap but became quite expensive as they were only used on poverty spec Golfs and Octavias - lasted for ages though, 40k + miles.
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>>What size are the tyres for the 2008?
Until the OP returns with that information we're working in the dark.
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>> >>What size are the tyres for the 2008?
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Lights gone as well? blimey hope he doesent have LED units, then he will have a shock if he tries to compare that to a H4 bulb. ;)
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Formula One at Gambrel Road in Northampton will apparently do them for £238.52.
Was your £300 from a Pug dealer? Skoda quoted silly prices for both the Superb and the previous Fabia.
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>> Formula One at Gambrel Road in Northampton will apparently do them for £238.52.
That would have been good. Unfortunately I couldn't get there.
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Certainly not! (I would only go to a 'dealer' as a last resort). Mobile unit from National Tyres & Autocare - now part of the Halfords group. Found them and all arranged on line. My indie didn't seem too bothered I used them - kept the car till it was done and didn't charge me for a retest fee. All seems well - pressured at 34 instead of 32; fine by me, and lugs not too tight - only needed very slight loosening with my simple flexible bar torque wrench to a perfectly adeqate 60ftlb so I can be sure of being able to get them off in case of puncture.
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>> >> Formula One at Gambrel Road in Northampton will apparently do them for £238.52.
I think they have a place in Wellyboro' too.
TBH locally between Formula 1, Halfords/National, Kwik Fit and Euromaster there's very little difference in price. Where I go is own to brands and availability as while I'm still in paid work day/time makes a difference.
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"Certainly not! (I would only go to a 'dealer' as a last resort)."
Main dealers can sometimes be suprisingly competitive on tyres - always worth getting
a quote
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For some years now, i have used Black Circles with home fitting.
You can look at their website, choose the tyres you want - wet weather adhesion, noise, price etc and a nice man comes to one of your UK residences and fits them.
As pain free as anything involving money can be.
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>> For some years now, i have used Black Circles with home fitting.
I've been using Black Circles for years (at home or tyre depot) as the prices were amazing compared to any nearby tyre places. However of late I've noticed the local fitters have been fighting back - a few local ones are now super competitive and I'd prefer to give money to a local establishment.
The only time this doesn't work is on a Sunday. I had a puncture a few weeks ago that urgently needed sorting as I was setting off on a big trip first thing Monday. The only tyre place I could find that would do it on a Sunday was Kwikfit. It needed a new tyre but it was quickly sorted.
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>> The only time this doesn't work is on a Sunday.
Or any time you need something 'now'.
Realised after arriving with caravan at a site in North Staffordshire that 'lingo #2 wore rear tyres faster than fronts. Years of driving FWD cars back to Issigonis Minis had me watching fronts and assuming rears barely wore at all.
Got replacements sorted at Kwik Fit in Stoke/Newcastle-u-L but at a 'rack rate' 15-20% more than if I'd been able to wait for a time that suited them.
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I have never bothered looking at Black Circles before, but prompted by this thread I had a butchers at their website. I think I'll give them a go next time, attractive prices and inputting my postcode an appointment would be less that a week. Local tyre shops in this local are not cheap apart from one, and catching him actually open can be hit and miss. Last time I went I had to hang around for half an hour while he picked his kids up from school, despite having pre booked.
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Those Vector 4's are an excellent tyre. However I think they' are definitely getting long in the tooth as a design now considering the premium price tag. In fact I'd assume Goodyear will be bringing out an upgrade to it sometime soon. Personally I'd be looking at a decent latest midrange all season tyre (Falken, Uniroyal, Vredestien etc) These day's you'd probably be getting tyre technology that is at least comparable and in some cases exceeds the performance of the older Goodyears for a lower price tag
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The Vector Gen 3s may be due for an update but they were still rated as the best all season tyre by the German ADAC last year. Fitted them on the Zoe and have no complaints. They are noticeably quiet but difficult to compare with the previous Michelins as they were getting pretty low on tread depth.
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I put Michelin Cross Climate 2s on the Berlingo from new and when I sold it at 37,000 miles they still had about 4mm all round (I swapped them front to back earlier in their life). Sure, a Berlingo is the type of vehicle that rewards a relaxed driving style, but I've never had that much from a set of tyres before.
I need to put 4 of them on the new van and have been looking for prices/discounts. Black Circle don't have a fitter near me but suppply them to a local tyre shop who will fit them. Same tyre shop will do it £50 cheaper!
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Looked a Volvo XC40 EV that had the optional 20" wheel added. All Season tyres, with wider ones on back than front. I Googled the rear tyre cost - £300 each!
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Peugeot - Tyres - why so expensive? - Bromptonaut
