| Motoring Discussion > M5 Junction 2 Oldbury Interchange Collision | Miscellaneous |
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New Mon 19 May 25 00:04
M5 Junction 2 Oldbury Interchange Collision - Fullchat
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Anyone with intimate knowledge of this particular Intergange? www.google.com/maps/@52.4925421,-2.0196303,112m/data=!3m1!1e3?authuser=0&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDUxMy4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D Junior FC has been down to near Kidderminster this weekend. She returned late this aftenoon and we received a call that she'd had a collision with a lorry. She had been travelling North on the M5. She was needing petrol and identified an Asda filling station off the Oldbury Interchange on the East side. She left M5 on offslip and stopped at the traffic lights in centre lane of three lanes. A rigid lorry pulled alongside on her right in the 3rd lane. Lights change and they both set off. Lorry exits at 1st exit and collides with offside of daughters car who is still intending to continue around the interchange to the 4 O'clock exit. No injuries but extensive work needed on offside doors and sill. Details exchanged and some photographs recorded but not of signage and road markings. The car was driveable. Having looked at Google Street it would seem that all three lanes on the offslip can exit into 3 lanes at the first exit. So the lorry driver was entitled to do what he did. It appears she should have been in the right hand lane and entered lane 3 on the roundabout which is Highway Code best practice and after 1st exit selected correct lane for her intended exit.. Shes adamant that the prior road markings (I'm presuming offslip road) indicated M5 (her intended route around the roundabout) for her position. This is not shown on Google Earth/Street. I'm only seeing those as per the link in lane 3 on the roundabout. So its not looking good for her in respect of insurance. £500 excess for starters and then a premium increase. She is a steady and competent driver but like all of that generation have become slaves to their Google Maps on Car Play. There's no relevant advanced signage only road markings. Unfamiliar area so I do have sympathy for her predicament. The point of this post really is inquiring if anyone has any up to date local knowledge and confirm whether the Link is an accurate representation of layout and road markings as of this time. Last edited by: Fullchat on Mon 19 May 25 at 00:08
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New Mon 19 May 25 05:40
M5 Junction 2 Oldbury Interchange Collision - smokie
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No, can't help but SWMBO approached a local roundabout in lane 2, intending to go straight ahead, which was good by the signage (showed either lane for straight over, which was single carriageway). She chose lane 2 as lane 1 was slow moving due to traffic up left turn lane. She said she indicated appropriately, which I'd tend to believe as that's what she does. Some chappie in a customer's sports car launched from lane one into the side of her. I would say at some speed but who knows? I've driven it since and I think she was OK. Def within HC rules in all respects. The ins company just settled knock for knock, with consequent impact on her insurance. IMO the balance of probability is that she was good and he less so but it was hard to argue if you weren't there. |
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New Mon 19 May 25 06:22
M5 Junction 2 Oldbury Interchange Collision - Falkirk Bairn
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£50+/-investment in a camera might have clarified road markings(or not) + who went where etc etc. I know it could prove you are to blame rather than the 3rd party HOWEVER if you judge yourself as a competent driver you are more likely to be able to blame a.n.other than prove you have been stupid. £50 is not a lot compared with excess / loss of NCB & thereby much higher premiums for say 5 years. |
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New Mon 19 May 25 11:05
M5 Junction 2 Oldbury Interchange Collision - tyrednemotional
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A neighbour had a similar incident in reverse a few weeks back. He was turning right onto the M69( from the M1 Southbound slip. He was in the left-most lane of three, and was t-boned by someone in the middle lane looking to go South on the M1 (though where he had come from on a traffic-light controlled island is a mystery). In the shock of the occurrence, my neighbour was inclined to believe he was in the wrong, being challenged by the other driver, but in fact (and to my knowledge as I always use the left lane for similar manoeuvres when I'm in the 'van), all three lanes of the slip to the roundabout, and all three lanes round the roundabout, are clearly marked for the M69. maps.app.goo.gl/aqRLB37UfeH2AhDMA There is, however, something very counter-intuitive about this, and it is certainly confusing if there is standing traffic obscuring the road-markings (which, of course, is common). I have to say that allowing a Right/Left Turn from the "wrong" entry lane at a roundabout, especially when it is a complex junction with three or more entry lanes, looks like a recipe for disaster. |
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New Mon 19 May 25 12:01
M5 Junction 2 Oldbury Interchange Collision - zippy
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>>No injuries Best words ever for a parent to hear after an accident. Can't help with the junction but it's good to hear that otherwise junior FC is OK! |
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New Mon 19 May 25 12:45
M5 Junction 2 Oldbury Interchange Collision - Fullchat
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Thank you Zippy. Of course I'm getting it in the neck for trying to establish exactly what happened from an investigative mindset. The notification to the insurance company has to be done in a timely manner. If the other party is in the wrong then that needs to be established and evidenced if only to avoid the resulting financial implications of a fault claim. Conversely if she is the cause then shes going to have to shoulder the responsibility. Unfortunately on this occasion, having had time to establish facts and look at the road layout and markings, it appears that the 'blame' is on her shoulders, even if there are mitigating circumstances. The M!/M69 tyrednemotional refers to appears very similar with similar marking issues. No relevant markings on the offslip and its only on the roundabout are the first indications of where to position. Although there is an overhead gantry on the start of the offslip. Valid point re the road markings being obscured by traffic. There is an issue of what lane suggestions the sat nav was throwing up but you'd have to be there to check. And its unwise to take what they say as gospel. I think its wise and maybe 'Old Skool' to actually initially position as recommended by the Highway Code and adjust as necessary. For me intending on going right around to the 4 O'Clock position I'd have been in the far right offslip lane from the M5. So its, as thy say, lessons learned. Insurance claim has been initiated and hopefully dodging claims management leeches. Yes in hindsight a camera would be most beneficial in revisiting the incident for evidence one way or another but as they say 'hindsight is a wonderful thing'. I do believe the lorry had one fitted so the incident has been captured. Last edited by: Fullchat on Mon 19 May 25 at 12:50
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New Mon 19 May 25 14:23
M5 Junction 2 Oldbury Interchange Collision - Bobby
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I hate strange junctions where the lane markings are on the tarmac. Especially as locals usually know the “accepted practice “ of lanes for that junction. Often I hear myself curse drivers who take the wrong lane at specific junctions near here and then follow up with, well actually how would they really know? |
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New Mon 19 May 25 20:51
M5 Junction 2 Oldbury Interchange Collision - Bromptonaut
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>> He was turning right onto the M69( from the M1 Southbound slip. He was in >> the left-most lane of three, and was t-boned by someone in the middle lane looking >> to go South on the M1 (though where he had come from on a traffic-light >> controlled island is a mystery). Use that one in the opposite direction from M1 Northbound to visit sister in Narborough. All lanes on the slip are for right turn towards Leicester but if you want go towards Grove Park Triangle you need to be leftmost on the slip so that you roll out nearside onto the A5460 for the A563. Similar T-bone risk. Had a few close calls though it was better after the road was re-marked. |
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New Tue 27 May 25 13:53
M5 Junction 2 Oldbury Interchange Collision - Dave_
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>> Anyone with intimate knowledge of this particular interchange I used to use it a few times each week when I was on pallet deliveries around the W Mids from 2007-2011. The layout doesn't look to have changed at all since I knew it. Junction 2 is primarily an exit to the west, feeding traffic to the A4123/A4034 roundabout ("Birchley Island"). It also has what could be considered to be minor feeds to the Fire Service college and to the Asda fuel station. The mindset of most northbound drivers leaving the motorway would be that all three lanes do indeed lead directly to Birchley Island to the west, and whilst on the slip road they would already be positioning for their intended route around Birchley Island. This is backed up by the fact that the M5 southbound road markings don't even start until after the 9 o'clock position on the M5 junction roundabout. I have sympathy for JFC as an unexpected coming-together in an unfamiliar location is never nice, and common sense says that the lane to my right shouldn't be turning left; but the hordes of traffic heading west coupled with the lack of any signage towards the petrol station would lead me to use the furthest offside lane until I'd worked out where everyone else was going. Sorry I can't offer any mitigation FC, but hopefully it's another life lesson which she will take with her in future. |
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New Tue 27 May 25 14:41
M5 Junction 2 Oldbury Interchange Collision - Fullchat
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Thanks Dave. This has even invoked some contrary discussion on a retired Traffic site :) Your observations are quite correct. Right lane to go right but it did cross my mind that if she had come off at the wrong junction and decided to re enter the Motorway then according to HC then the middle lane could be used. With the only directions being on the road surface which could be obscured. There would be the same outcome. There does seem to be some conflict between the HC, common sense and markings/signage. Just shows that you need eyes in your ears and a keen eye for anything that might indicate that things are not quite as they should be. In this case a bail out to Birchley Island and return. Hopefully there is a lesson to be learned even for me. |
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