| Motoring Discussion > VAG 1.5 DSG | Buying / Selling |
| Thread Author: legacylad | Replies: 19 |
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New Tue 13 May 25 17:25
VAG 1.5 DSG - legacylad
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Earlier car variants fitted with the 1.5 had a reputation for ‘kangarooing’ …I think this was worse with the manual gearbox ? Later, post 2022 I think, have had this problem remedied by a software update..,just wondered if anyone has a vehicle with this engine/DSG combination, and if so any thoughts ? Not asking for a friend :-) |
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New Tue 13 May 25 21:15
VAG 1.5 DSG - Manatee
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There have been a few versions of the TSI's I think. The 1.2 4 cylinder from 2014 in our Roomster behaves very well. What I don't like about it is the DSG. It is uncannily good at just driving around as an auto. As well as 'D' it has an 'S' auto mode which just means it's always one gear lower than it would be in D, which makes it more responsive. So it rarely gets used. Ours doesn't have paddles, just the TIP position on the lever. It's basically hopeless for close manoeuvring. And not very good for rapid starts at busy junctions. I would absolutely not buy a second hand one. Holding a DSG on the accelerator is abuse, but that is what a lot of habituated auto-drivers do. |
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New Tue 13 May 25 23:03
VAG 1.5 DSG - BigJohn
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I thought kangaroo issues we're eventually resolved even for older versions of the EA211 1.5 tsi engines via software updates and also hardware revisions on later cars. In addition a newer evo 2 version of the engine was introduced circa 2022. However, and I don't know why, I've always preferred the older 1.4 version of the EA211. I've been wanting an auto gearbox for years but not a DSG and have had to move to another Manufacturer sadly as I've loved my Skodas over a few decades. It wasn't just the DSG that made us switch but also the need to use the touch screen for basic car functions - Mrs BJ said non! |
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New Wed 14 May 25 07:43
VAG 1.5 DSG - Rudedog
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Have to stand-up for a DSG equipped VW, I've owned/driven various DSG Golfs since 2004 without any issues, two were in diesels and my current one is in my GTI, don't find any problems with low speed parking or manoeuvring and they are a great in manual on the paddles. Definitely agree that you should never hold them on the accelerator although all of the ones I've had will disengage the clutch if you hold it on the brake for a period of time. All of mine have been wet-clutch boxes which might make a difference and always have them serviced at the correct intervals which does vary considerably depending on the version. |
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New Wed 14 May 25 08:35
VAG 1.5 DSG - Zero
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| Hired a DSG equiped Seat in spain a year or two back. Hated it, the DSG box was useless for doing normal stuff like trying to leap out into gaps in traffic, left me scarily floundering more than once. |
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New Wed 14 May 25 08:50
VAG 1.5 DSG - Falkirk Bairn
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A son wanted 4WD, petrol car that would fit in the garage next to a holiday flat he has bought. I tried to persuade him to look about but he bought a Golf 2 litre Auto - 6,000 ish on the clock. He buys German badges and has done for nearly 30 years. |
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New Wed 14 May 25 11:35
VAG 1.5 DSG - Alanovich
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There's DSGs and there's DSGs. The 7-spd DSG in my current Superb 1.5 TSI (72 reg) is, uncannily, superb. None of the famed issues around manouevering at all. Holds itself without creep once I've come to a stop, and is very easy to control the car in close manoeuvers. The 6-spd DSG in my 58 reg Touran 2.0 TDI was infuriating and made the car hesitant at junctions, it was so bad I ditched the car for a Ford Galaxy with a TC auto. I'd advise your not a friend to test drive comprehensively. Last edited by: Alanovich on Wed 14 May 25 at 11:35
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New Wed 14 May 25 12:26
VAG 1.5 DSG - legacylad
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I strongly suspect that my not a friend will be keeping his 1.4 manual Vitara. It’s now loaded and ready for the first of 2 annual 7 week road trips to Spain using Brittany Ferries. Unfortunately a revised departure date due to unforeseen circumstances so a long first day to my rental to catch up with schedule..,800kms. Sofia Suzuki isn’t the best for such journeys & I may well call it a day late afternoon if fatigue creeps in. Not my normal Modus operandi as I potter on country backroads and explore as I go |
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New Wed 14 May 25 12:47
VAG 1.5 DSG - Zero
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Afraid I have been spoiled by the utterly fantastic ZF8 box and the perfectly tuned auto handbrake.
Last edited by: Zero on Wed 14 May 25 at 12:49
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New Wed 14 May 25 12:55
VAG 1.5 DSG - Manatee
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>>There's DSGs and there's DSGs. There are. Daughter has an A6 3 litre diesel 7 speed DSG with a wet multiplate clutch pack. It does a far better job of impersonating a proper auto than the DQ200 version, which has concentric single plate dry clutches. The A6 will creep and can be inched up to a wall, say, which our Roomie basically can't do with any elegance. I avoid any close manoeuvring if I can. If you touch the brake while attempting it, it disengages and you have to start again, it then doesn't move, you touch the accelerator to get it going, it moves far too quickly, you prod the brake, and the cycle starts again. SOmetimes hill hold activates in the middle of this and further disrupts progress. Setting off in a controlled manner is fine, a small movement of the accelerator as the clutch comes to the bite-point gives a smooth start and it almost immediately up-changes to 2nd, and off we go. Busy junctions are not good. If you attempt a quick start you tend to beat the clutch which then engages with a bang that does not sound as if it is doing the mystery contents of the gearcase or the drivetrain any good at all. I watch my wife sometimes leaving the drive and if she tries to nip into a gap it's a toss up whether it kangaroos or spins the wheels. Bottom line is that it has a friction clutch that the driver cannot control. I don't hate it but there's no pleasure to be had from it. Of course this is a first world problem. It gets her around, and has not yet actually broken at 50,000 miles. We never hold it on the gas pedal so I think ours will probably be in better nick than many. The car's probably worth £3,000 now so when the gearbox breaks it will go in the crusher. My daughter's Audi, which is lovely to drive, has started slipping on the even clutch (2/4/6/R) at 78,000 miles. The auto specialist says if it's just the clutch pack then it will only cost £2,700 to fix. You say yours 'holds'. If you sit with feet off in gear, stationary, your clutch is slipping at least for a few seconds before it disengages to protect the clutch/gearbox, principally from excess heat. The handbook almost certainly says not to hold the car on the accelerator which gives a clue to how it works. I know there are millions of these things but we don't change cars every 3 years and we won't be having another. If I had to replace the Roomster tomorrow I suspect there'd be a small shortlist after eliminating all the automated manuals, twin-clutchers, and wet belters. I hold to my view that they are a bodge, albeit a very sophisticated and costly one, that were probably only introduced to everyday cars to game the emissions legislation. Last edited by: Manatee on Wed 14 May 25 at 12:57
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New Wed 14 May 25 13:28
VAG 1.5 DSG - Dog
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>>I hold to my view that they are a bodge, albeit a very sophisticated and costly one, that were probably only introduced to everyday cars to game the emissions legislation. Bit like heat pumps then. :) |
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New Wed 14 May 25 13:30
VAG 1.5 DSG - Manatee
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>> Bit like heat pumps then. >> >> :) Yes, but they are very efficient in the summer when you don't need them:) Still got one? |
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New Wed 14 May 25 16:23
VAG 1.5 DSG - Dog
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>> Still got one? I'm on my second one, 7 year old property so well insulated and, like you, have a wood burner for 'the black season'. |
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New Thu 15 May 25 15:03
VAG 1.5 DSG - Ethanedwards
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>> >> >> >> Bit like heat pumps then. >> >> :) >> No idea about domestic heat pumps but I have one on my EV. Agreed they seem useless in Winter. Though when you get out the car it does seem to have taken off the edge, but not by a lot. My other EV only has resistive heating and that seems better. Lets say if it was an optional extra I personally wouldn't bother with one. |
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New Thu 15 May 25 20:15
VAG 1.5 DSG - Dog
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>>No idea about domestic heat pumps but I have one on my EV My experience of using heat pumps has been largely positive. I had an 8KW Daikin Altherma in a previous property and an 8KW Samsung unit in my present property. There are many stories from people who not at all happy with their heat pumps, and that is usually down to the poor installation (usually ECO4) or the heat pumps not being set up properly. The ideal would be an EV or plug in hybrid, an array of solar panels, battery storage + inverter, and a 'smart' energy tariff. Oh go on then, you might as well chuck in a heat pump tumble dryer too :) |
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New Thu 15 May 25 20:39
VAG 1.5 DSG - Manatee
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I'm happy with a domestic heat pump. It doesn't save me any money over gas, but only because electricity costs 4 x more per kWh or did when I last looked. As a bonus the house is warm all the time because it's on 24/7. I am only using about 4500kWh per year to heat a 2300 sq ft house, albeit a recent build and therefore well insulated. Looking back at old bills, our old (badly insulated) 1300 sq ft bungalow on the same plot used 27,000 kWh of gas one year! |
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New Thu 15 May 25 22:18
VAG 1.5 DSG - bathtub tom
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>> My experience of using heat pumps has been largely positive. I had an 8KW Daikin >> Altherma in a previous property and an 8KW Samsung unit in my present property. 8KW. My present (3 bed detached bungalow) has a 40KW gas boiler. It did come on briefly this morning. |
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New Fri 16 May 25 06:46
VAG 1.5 DSG - Dog
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>>8KW. My present (3 bed detached bungalow) has a 40KW gas boiler. It did come on briefly this morning. One can't compare a gas boiler to a heat pump, a modern condensing gas boiler is around 94% efficient whereas heat pumps are 300 - 400% efficient and designed to run 'low and slow'. My in-hall thermostat is set at 19c but the heating hasn't come on for days - 3 bed house in N. Cornwall. |
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New Wed 14 May 25 13:33
VAG 1.5 DSG - Bill Payer
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Wife has a 2022 Karoq with 1.5 TSi and 7 speed dry clutch DQ200 DSG. I drive it quite a bit and it's absolutely fine. The only thing I will say is we don't use the auto-hold, auto-handbrake features (they're un-necessary in an auto) and we turn stop-start off. It can be a bit sharp if you're turning out of a wet junction, together with the car seeming to be very sensitive to front tyre pressure. They're oddly low on Karoq at 31psi. I put 36 in and it made it a right handful. Some owners fix it by using All Season tyres. |
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New Wed 14 May 25 13:35
VAG 1.5 DSG - Terry
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I have a 1.5L 7 speed DSG Ateca. In normal driving the gearbox works absolutely smoothly with just a couple of issues: - move off too sharply and wheelspin is the result - always disable the stop-start - I dislike the delay and uncertainty The handbrake comes on automatically with moderate brake pedal pressure and releases when the car starts to move - I assume this saves wear on the clutches. If manoeuvring the auto handbrake can be easily disabled to a llow slow speed movement as in conventional auto. Whether popular criticism of DSG is justified I have no idea (proper data would help)- but as the gearboxes have been refined since first introduced by VAG 20 years ago I would expect most gremlins to have been eliminated by now. The last time I replaced a clutch was ~50 years ago. I tend to drive with mechanical sympathy and estimate I have driven ~750k since then (15k pa). Cars have not always been low mileage or nearly new so suggests a clutch life of 100k + is entirely plausible. It is likely the case that DSG clutch failures will be more expensive than a normal gearbox - but likely to happen infrequently - auto control of the clutch mechanism is probably far more forgiving than the lead footed. |
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