Motoring Discussion > Petrol Diesel may not be fossiles after all. Miscellaneous
Thread Author: R.P. Replies: 14

 Petrol Diesel may not be fossiles after all. - R.P.
www.politico.eu/article/germany-czechia-italy-2035-eu-combustion-engine-ban-gains-allies/
 Petrol Diesel may not be fossiles after all. - Zero
One wonders how the Leopard tanks will keep the ruskies at bay with no IC engines...
 Petrol Diesel may not be fossiles after all. - R.P.
Hahahaha !
 Petrol Diesel may not be fossiles after all. - Terry
Aahh ...... now I understand.

The Leopard tank is actually based on a BMW body pan, Merc engine and gearbox, with Audi supplying the technik. All covered in plating resistant to anti tank weaponry. Blindingly obvious really!

No wonder they are anti the fossil fuel ban. 60+ tons of Leopard is sort of difficult to move any distance by volts alone. And if tanks thrive on diesel, why not motors.
 Petrol Diesel may not be fossiles after all. - Mapmaker
" Berlin wants the European Commission to first put forward an option allowing cars to use synthetic fuels known as e-fuels,"

e for ersatz, presumably.
 Petrol Diesel may not be fossiles after all. - Zero

>> e for ersatz, presumably.

If its as bad as the coffee, made from acorns I believe, then its powering not much.
 Petrol Diesel may not be fossiles after all. - CGNorwich
Basically a move to protect the Germand Motor industry which is way behind the US and China in EV production. They want to delay the 2035 ICE ban for vehicles running on bio fuels.
 Petrol Diesel may not be fossiles after all. - Lygonos
Still going to be plenty of fossil fuel available for yonks.

ICE cars sole in 2030 will be using it til ~2050.

No planned HGV transition to EV until they can show it works.
 Petrol Diesel may not be fossiles after all. - CGNorwich
Yes there will be plenty of ICE cars around for a long while. It will be interesting though when we get to a point where there are move EVs than ICE. Presumably a lot of petrol stations will have to close. Will we see ICE range anxiety?
 Petrol Diesel may not be fossiles after all. - Lygonos
>>Presumably a lot of petrol stations will have to close

They already have, of course.

eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2020/03/the-decline-of-the-petrol-station/

About 13000 stations in 2000, and 8400 in 2019.

I suspect there were many more in the 80s/90s with a big decline after large supermarkets moved in.

Interestingly the number of stations actually stabilised as EV charging points were rising.

Petrol stations will likely increasingly become convenience stores with excellent parking!
Last edited by: Lygonos on Fri 17 Mar 23 at 15:52
 Petrol Diesel may not be fossiles after all. - Zero

>> Petrol stations will likely increasingly become convenience stores with excellent parking!

But EV charging availability is still the biggest hurdle to EV sales, and the single most complained about aspect of EV ownership. They had better get fingers out. And the car parking had better get larger, and quickly, with every car taking 30 minutes to get charged.
 Petrol Diesel may not be fossiles after all. - smokie
There is something in what you say, but there are already some fairly reasonable charging facilities being rolled out or in planning, and of course not that many EV users are dependent on public charging
 Petrol Diesel may not be fossiles after all. - Zero
>> Basically a move to protect the Germand Motor industry which is way behind the US

The US? Still firmly wedded to Fossil fuels, *6.1% of new car sales in 2022, against 17% in UK. Electric SUV's and Trucks - The US staple vehicles, get terrible press and market resistance. The Ford F150 Lightning has bene slaughtered.

* Dont forget that includes Tesla

Europe (up 12.1%) and Korea are the leading lights in EV production and adoption.

 Petrol Diesel may not be fossiles after all. - CGNorwich
"Europe (up 12.1%) and Korea are the leading lights in EV production and adoption. "


Worldwide production in first quarter 2022 for BEVs was 1,997,348

In terms of production the top five companies for all electric EVs for first quarter 2022 were:

Tesla: 310,411 and 21.6% share (vs 25% fro previous year) USA

SAIC (incl. SAIC-GM-Wuling): 154,623 and 10.7% share (vs 17%) CHINA

BYD: 144,203 and 10% share (vs 5%) CHINA

Volkswagen Group: 98,455 and 6.8% share (vs 8%) GERMANY

Hyundai Motor Group: 81,744 and 5.7% share KOREA
 Petrol Diesel may not be fossiles after all. - Zero
>> "Europe (up 12.1%) and Korea are the leading lights in EV production and adoption. "
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>> Worldwide production in first quarter 2022 for BEVs was 1,997,348
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>> In terms of production the top five companies for all electric EVs for first quarter
>> 2022 were:
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>> Tesla: 310,411 and 21.6% share (vs 25% fro previous year) USA

A very small proportion of overall US sales,* compared to IC engine cars, and not rising as fast as the EU, by % proportion of vehicles produced and sold.

In fact the small percentage of US EV vehicle production makes them seem in the slow lane.

Far from leading.

*edit 10.4 million cars produced. Makes tesla about 3.4% Market share?
Last edited by: Zero on Fri 17 Mar 23 at 18:00
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