Evening all. And yes, I am still alive!
At the end of 2015, we bought a 2nd hand Honda Jazz from a Honda main dealer. It has, alas, proved to have a rust problem, and despite being a 57 reg car, it appears to be nearing the end of its useful life. It's MOT is due in December, and it will probably need at least £500 spent on it to gt it through.
I am planning to replace it by getting another 2nd hand Honda Jazz from a Honda main dealer - probably an approved used vehicle.
I assume that the dealership would take my old vehicle off my hands. Would they give me anything for the old rust bucket?
Any advice or wisdom much appreciated.
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Unlikely the dealer would want it . I’ve used these people previously and found them to be very efficient. www.removemycar.co.uk/?msclkid=79c3b4b777571d23fc43eb82f3ca0aa5
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We've just replaced Mrs O'Reliant's Liana with a Polo because it failed the MoT on rusty front and rear subframes (It was also overdue a cambelt change). The dealer gave us £100 scrap value against the Suzuki.
Liana's are now so rare that we couldn't find second hand replacements that were not also jiggered.
Last edited by: Robin O'Reliant on Thu 13 Aug 20 at 20:19
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At that age the dealer will send it straight to auction. I doubt they will a 13 year old trade in more than a cursory look over. Unless the rust is visible on the outside of painted panels, my bet is that they will give you the book price based on its apparent condition rather than doing a thorough appraisal.
In any case they won’t offer a lot whether it’s a rust bucket or in excellent order.
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Alas, the rust is very visible on the outside of the painted panels. However, that is about the least of its problems!
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Ah, I would get the scrap value as per carmalade suggestion. It's an instant quote, no need to give them your email. It's just quoted me £138 for an old banger I know, one is a 1999 Astra and has no MoT. Presumably your Jazz will be worth at least as much. At least it's from the current century.
If you are too embarrassed to get a trade-in offer it might be best to just settle for the scrap offer and have a clean run at negotiating a price on the new car. This is on the assumption that you seem to be at the point of paying someone to take it away?
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I donated my last car to a charity.
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>> I donated my last car to a charity.
Fire brigade often want old cars to practice cutting them open to rescue people involved in accidents. They also put on demonstrations too at summer fetes and the like.
giveacar.co.uk/donate-car-to-fire-brigade/
www.carsfortraining.co.uk/donate_cars_for_training.html
Last edited by: VxFan on Fri 14 Aug 20 at 11:01
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I expect it’d sell easily enough on FB marketplace/eBay/gumtree...did it qualify for the MOT extension? I have to say though that I’m surprised that a 13 year old car is suffering from terminal corrosion...I’ve owned far older cars, none of which have ever required welding!
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I think a lot depends on how close to the sea you live.
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>> I think a lot depends on how close to the sea you live.
When I lived on the South Coast I was amazed at the corrosion my car developed in a relatively short length of time.
Conversely here, with no humidity, only rare rainfall and nowhere near the sea, rust pretty much doesn´t happen.
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We're only a couple of miles inland, which wouldn't have helped the Liana. Shame really, because the rest of the car was almost showroom condition inside and out.
My 18yo Almera on the other hand, although looking extremely tatty has sailed through it's three MoTs since I've had it with out more than a single minor.
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>> My 18yo Almera on the other hand, although looking extremely tatty has sailed through it's
>> three MoTs since I've had it with out more than a single minor.
Keep an eye on that front crossbeam, I use to give mine a regular spray of waxoil when I changed the oil, particularly on the inside.
That engine holds less than 3 litres of oil, keep it changed regularly if you want the cam-chain to survive.
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>> My 18yo Almera on the other hand, although looking extremely tatty has sailed through it's
>> three MoTs since I've had it with out more thahan a single minor.
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Almera, one of the most underrated small family hatchbacks.
I so wanted one at the time but couldn't stretch to one. FIL had a sporty one when he passed away but MIL sold it without telling any of us because she didn't want to see it again and to be reminded of FIL.
Shame really as it was a really nice motor. The OIK that bought it wrapped it around a lamppost a few weeks later.
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Glad to see you're still about! I drop in here less and less frequently too.
An old, rusty Honda Jazz will still have market appeal due to its reputation for mechanical reliability. Someone will snap it up to see out its days delivering takeaways.
Advertise it on Facebook marketplace for £500 and be prepared for a deluge of messages offering half that. Don't put too much effort into it, it's (in your own words) a rust bucket, and it's worth a couple of hundred quid at best. Don't take any bluster from potential buyers ("the boot carpet is dirty", "has it had the cam belt changed" etc), anyone who makes the effort to come and see it will almost definitely have cash in their pocket.
Their tax and insurance aren't your problem; just fill in the "Tell the DVLA you've bought or sold a vehicle" form with the buyer present and you'll be fine.
www.gov.uk/sold-bought-vehicle
The entire process, from opening Facebook to watching the car trundle up the road, should take up less than an hour of your time in aggregate.
Last edited by: Dave_ on Fri 14 Aug 20 at 22:10
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"Their tax and insurance aren't your problem;..."
Just ensure that you cancel your insurance on the vehicle, no matter the shortness of time left on the policy, or it could be.
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>> >> My 18yo Almera on the other hand, although looking extremely tatty has sailed through
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>> Almera, one of the most underrated small family hatchbacks.
Utterly Utterly forgettable. It was a reliable tool that did nothing wonderfully and nothing badly. A microwave with wheels.
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>> Utterly Utterly forgettable. It was a reliable tool that did nothing wonderfully and nothing badly.
>> A microwave with wheels.
Wash yer mouth out. It replaced a Focus and handled far better (although the one I had did have the optional, smaller, wider, ally wheels and could get a wheelchair in the boot that a Focus couldn't). That's why I kept it for 9 years - and you?
I wanted a 1.8, manual, that were as rare as hen's teeth (for a reason). There was a sporty version ( I forget what) that was much sort after.
Last edited by: bathtub tom on Fri 14 Aug 20 at 23:09
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>> >> Utterly Utterly forgettable. It was a reliable tool that did nothing wonderfully and nothing
>> badly.
>> >> A microwave with wheels.
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>> Wash yer mouth out. It replaced a Focus and handled far better (although the one
>> I had did have the optional, smaller, ally wheels and could get a wheelchair in
>> the boot that a Focus couldn't). That's why I kept it for 9 years -
>> and you?
>> I wanted a 1.8, manual, that were as rare as hen's teeth (for a reason).
>> There was a sporty version ( I forget what) that was much sort after.
By who, people who wanted to stuff a wheelchair in the boot?
I had use of one for about 6 months sometime about 15 years ago. Its handling was average, its ride was average, its performance was barely average the only thing it excelled at was being noisy.
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Rusty Jazz -There will be somebody out there with a Jazz with a knackered engine/gearbox that will bite your hand off for it.
Many, many years ago a chap I knew had a VW that he over tuned/over revved and blew the engine. Car was worth very little - advertised it as parts - he was left with virtually nothing in about 2 weeks. Doors, glass, seats ............... all went - very little left to take to the scrapyard.
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Almera GTi was vastly superior to the cooking models apparently.
Mate had one back when I had a Civic VTI and despite being 30bhp down on the Civic it didn't feel it, and handled very nicely.
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>> Utterly Utterly forgettable. It was a reliable tool that did nothing wonderfully and nothing badly.
>> A microwave with wheels.
We hired on in 1998 from Cork Airport when visiting Brother out Law on the Sheep's Head peninsula. I said at the time that if this car was a sandwich it would be processed cheese on white sliced......
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>> We hired on in 1998 from Cork Airport when visiting Brother out Law on the
>> Sheep's Head peninsula. I said at the time that if this car was a sandwich
>> it would be processed cheese on white sliced......
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Comfortable and reliable, my overriding priorities in a car.
I've owned enough "Interesting" motors.
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Try scrapcarnetwork.org. They offer a collection service and pay half decent prices for scrap cars.
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>> We hired on in 1998 from Cork Airport when visiting Brother out Law on the
>> Sheep's Head peninsula. I said at the time that if this car was a sandwich
>> it would be processed cheese on white sliced......
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I too had an Almera hire car back in 1999. I had it for 2 months, and had it not broken down would have had it for longer. ‘Mine’ was a saloon as well I recall. The only car I’ve ever had that has actually broken down and left me stranded! A gearbox failure as I recall. Mind you, the only car I’ve scrapped as a result of rust was a 1984 Escort XR3i. That kicked the bucket at 8 years old... No wonder they’re worth a few quid now; most must have rusted away years ago.
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Am I imagining things or, long time ago in a forum far away, was there not a very, very long thread about the Almera??
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>> Utterly Utterly forgettable.
Some cars are memorable for all the wrong reasons.
>>It was a reliable tool
Exactly.
>>that did nothing wonderfully and nothing badly.
>> A microwave with wheels.
And they didn't rust excessively as far as I know - a friend of mine has one to commute that must be 20 years old. In 2014 it was parked in a flood. He dried it out and kept it. I think he might want to be buried in it.
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UPDATE:
1) I tried removemycar.co.uk as suggested. The quote it gave me was £0. This may be something to do with my extremely remote postcode.
2) My wife and I headed for our local Honda dealer because they were advertising a car that looked promising - 67 reg - so very new. And very different to our old Mk I Jazz. (I prefer the old one. I find the new one very claustrophobic, but that's just me.) However, I reckon that a Jazz makes sense, and my wife is happy with it (which is the main thing!) so we agreed then and there to buy it.
We were not driving our old Jazz at the time - we went in the Berlingo. The reason for this is that my wife believes the old Jazz is a potential death trap. The garage that did some work on it a couple of weeks ago gave not indication that they thought the car might rapidly become dangerous, and I took in for a four mile drive on Thursday and didn't see a problem. But my wife is terrified of it, and wants rid of it. The local garage will check it over on Tuesday, just to make sure.
So we were in the embarrassing position of saying "We'd like to trade in our old Jazz - how much will you give us for it?" when we didn't have it with us. The salesman asked us questions about it, and said "we value it at £250, but we'll give you £500." Which was a nice surprise!
3) However, in addition to all this, I mentioned to my sister a week or so ago (before my wife became terrified) that we hoped to be getting rid of the Jazz on the off-chance that she might be interested. We showed her a copy of the 2 week old report from the local garage, and a picture of the rust on the back wheel arches. And yet she is seriously interested in having the car for her daughter (my charming niece) who is at university. She is still very interested. My wife still doesn't want her to have it just in case it kills my niece. The fact that my sister lives at the opposite end of the country, 588 miles from me, means that I really wish she wasn't interested - and that we could just unload it on the dealer. However, I feel obliged to give her first refusal . . . . The joys of life.
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Would you really be doing a family member a favour selling them such an apparently poor car? Perhaps the mother lacks any knowledge or understanding of banger level cars, and if I were at university and offered a car I would be more than grateful. Perhaps they are both in their way naive, I would certainly not like to see my daughter driving this heap. Perhaps you might find a new and serious problem and then be grateful to the garage for the service of removing it? At the same time avoiding future potentially difficult family issues having saved them, hopefully metaphorically but perhaps literally, from a fate worse than death.
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"we value it at £250, but we'll give you £500." Which was a nice surprise!"
Except they're not, you're just getting less discount on the one you're buying. Price to change is the only price that matters. You may be better just getting a scrappy to collect it and then going back to do a straight deal with no trade-in.
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>>Price to change is the only price that matters.
100%. Go back and negotiate with the dealer. You should be getting another £250 off at least.
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I´m with Lemma.
Imagine if something did happen? However unlikely, it would be a terrible thought. And I imagine that your wife will just permanently worry.
Announce that the garage has found terminal chassis rust or something and regretfully inform her it is not safe, won´t pass an MOT and has to be scrapped.
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And I am with FM2R .....if it’s as bad as you say I don’t see any circumstances that support anything other than scrapping it.
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I agree with above too.
Never sell things like vehicles to friends or relatives.
Not unless you potentially want them to become ex-friends and ex-relatives.
At the very least you'll get your ear bent the day it breaks down, or something falls off / doesn't work.
Last edited by: VxFan on Sun 16 Aug 20 at 20:41
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I’ll be contrary and couldn’t disagree more.
Back of an envelope calculation shows that in over 40 years motoring I’ve bought, and sold, in excess of 15, probably more, cars to/ from close friends and relatives.
They are all still close friends. And the relatives are still alive.
Do you not think that buying a car, and vice versa, from a friend, where you know the ‘genuine’ history of that car and any problems it may or may not have had, is preferable to buying a car from an unknown source where the history is solely in the service book and you have no idea of how it’s been looked after and driven ?
No offence meant but maybe I trust my friends and relatives to be upfront and tell me “don’t touch it, I’ll move it on elsewhere”.
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Here's the rear subframe and boot floor from my 10yr old 132k mile FRV.
Looks great...
tinyurl.com/y6qux7rg
That was in the spring - have subsequently rubbed it down, rustkilled and undercoated it.
Last edited by: Lygonos on Sun 16 Aug 20 at 21:56
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2 brush coats of www.bilthamber.com/corrosion-protection-and-rust-treatments/hydrate-80
followed by 2 spray coats of www.bilthamber.com/corrosion-protection-and-rust-treatments/dynax-ub
Will take another photo tomorrow and see how it looks 5 months on.
Last edited by: Lygonos on Sun 16 Aug 20 at 22:03
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>> I think a lot depends on how close to the sea you live.
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I’m sure it has some effect, but 10 years or so I got rid of a 1984 BMW E30 Coupe (2 door saloon...) that spend most of its life on the NE coast, and then 4 years with me on the south coast. I scrapped it as it needed a lot of suspension work, and was only a 318 and (back then...) not worth much. But at 26 years old it was still solid. The only evidence of corrosion was on the trailing edge of the sunroof. Likewise, though more recently, I got rid of a 1994 Audi Cabriolet because of a failed heater matrix, but it too had no corrosion, though it was galvanised unlike the BMW. The Audi spend most of its life parked on the street in SW London. So I do think for any modern car to be scrap because of structural corrosion is a pretty poor show.
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>> At the end of 2015, we bought a 2nd hand Honda Jazz from a Honda
>> main dealer. It has, alas, proved to have a rust problem, and despite being a
>> 57 reg car, it appears to be nearing the end of its useful life.
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>> I am planning to replace it by getting another 2nd hand Honda Jazz from a
>> Honda main dealer - probably an approved used vehicle.
Forgive the question, but why why would you exactly duplicate a poor experience?
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Aren’t they obligatory at certain age?
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Not sure they are compulsory CG, I think Nissan Notes are permitted too. Or even C3 Picassos.
;-)
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About time you macho men discovered your feminine side
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>> Aren’t they obligatory at certain age?
Is growing old disgracefully out of fashion now?
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>> Is growing old disgracefully out of fashion now?
If it is, I intend to be deeply unfashionable. In due course.
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>> If it is, I intend to be deeply unfashionable. In due course.
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...I didn't think you did unfashionable....
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Ah well, y'see, there is a vast difference between fashion and style...
One can be bought, the other must be learned or be instinctive.
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>> Ah well, y'see, there is a vast difference between fashion and style...
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>> One can be bought, the other must be learned or be instinctive.
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...that'd be like "Gangnam Style", then....
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It's really quite hard to explain to those of, well, more "advanced" years, or indeed and especially those from Yorkshire. But in truth, if I'm allowed to advise, it's probably not worth dwelling on...
;-))
Last edited by: Runfer D'Hills on Mon 17 Aug 20 at 16:36
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When tha's spending brass, there are basically two options for a Yorkshireman. Spend as little as possible, or buy summat that'll see thee out.
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The latter being a pretty good philosophy Manatee. My father wasn't from Yorkshire, but was a canny Scot, his version of the above being, "buy once, buy good".
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I started buying ‘expensive’ shoes many years ago. Only a few pairs but I still have them. I now have 4 pairs of shoes ! Plus a pair each of Chaco, Keene & Teva sandals for different activities.
The shoes will definitely see me out!
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Odd I know but every time I move I take my Hulsta bedroom furniture with me...bought 40 years ago for my second house, but like an old Scandi friend ( made in Germany) and more of a permanent fixture in my life than most things.
Hopefully it’s style not fashion !
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...well, it might have been fashion when you bought it 40 years ago, so it's probably time for it to come around again.....
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It was style when I bought it. So I tell myself.
I’ve always liked pale wood...the flooring in two downstairs rooms is Junckers 22mm solid beech. Ex sports hall flooring. A real labour of love taking up the old flooring ( carpet over deal wood planks)
The bedroom furniture is sen ash, very pale, and the antithesis of heavy dark Spanish furniture.
Beats the heck out of ikea imho
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>> ...well, it might have been fashion when you bought it 40 years ago, so it's
>> probably time for it to come around again.....
Indeed. We recently bought an Ercol Pandora 'coffee table' that my wife wanted 40 years ago but we really didn't have room for. I got it for £280, a bargain when you see what original cared-for ones make on ebay.
Even 1970's G Plan is in demand again.
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>> When tha's spending brass, there are basically two options for a Yorkshireman. Spend as little
>> as possible, or buy summat that'll see thee out.
Ah, thoil in action. Can't beat it.
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Disposal of a rust bucket - carmalade
