>> Radio 1 listener...
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Haha that’s garages for you...! Not at the point it was crashed...it’ll have been on Radio 2 then ;)
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Always find these write offs kind of interesting. Your ins company has obviously decided that the money they will get back for the salvage is going to be commercially better for them rather than repairing it (and I guess costs of hire cars etc)
But the salvage value will also be based on cost of repairs for prospective new owner.
I wonder at what trigger point the decision is based? Did it not used to be 50% of the car value at one point though I am not sure if that was pre -airbag days - I would imagine many repairs nowadays would need to take into account airbag replacements (and full dashboards as these are integrated into the dash now rather than the original airbag "hatches"
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I can think of quite a few costly items at the front of my car that would make a repair like that expensive. Ignoring the obvious like bumpers, radiator, etc. there's parking sensors, RADAR sensor, adaptive HID headlamps, if the windscreen cracked and needing replacing then the camera needs to be calibrated, etc.
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>> I can think of quite a few costly items at the front of my car
>> that would make a repair like that expensive. Ignoring the obvious like bumpers, radiator, etc.
>> there's parking sensors, RADAR sensor, adaptive HID headlamps, if the windscreen cracked and needing replacing
>> then the camera needs to be calibrated, etc.
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The windscreen was cracked from the bottom corner at the side of the impact, which I took to mean that the impact was severe enough to compromise the main structure of the car. Compared to that the LED lights, radar, camera etc that the car has would be easy to fix!
I seem to recall that if repairs > 60% of replacement in year 1 then the car would be replaced. 60% of the after discount price LV were happy with is just over £11k. Had they chosen to fix I’m going to guess that the time taken, including waiting for parts, would be 6 to 8 weeks. But even then I reckon hire car costs would be sub £2k
I’m not sure what the economics of repair can be on that...it’s a very new model, so second hand spares will be in limited supply. Second hand LED lights almost non existent I’d expect. I note also that one of the pictures shows that the days is reporting a ‘gearbox error’...
A new on is sub £18k. So a low mileage used one can’t be worth more than £15k. Which puts an accident repaired one and, what, £10/11k? The insurer thought the repaid cost was at least that..how much can you reduce that by and still fix the car to an acceptable standard...?
I’d steer well clear of DG18ENH if I were you! Even though it does have pretty much every every option available...
Last edited by: PeterS on Sun 17 Jun 18 at 20:04
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I could spend hours looking through that website and trying to work out what happened to all the cars!
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>> www.copart.co.uk/lot/34895818
Same outfit as parted out my Xantia in 2013.
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>> "parted out" ??
aka broken for spares.
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Thanks, never heard that before.
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I like the dashboard display "Error gearbox. You can drive on"
Really? With all that front end dragging on the ground?
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>> I like the dashboard display "Error gearbox. You can drive on"
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>> Really? With all that front end dragging on the ground?
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Does seem a little optimistic!
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Any east end car dealer worth his salt would have that on the forecourt in a week, looking as good as new.
Know what I mean, squire?
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one of the cars i looked at on there, cant remember which one, had no front end but the dashboard was saying "collision avoidance error" or similar!
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>> Thanks, never heard that before.
Thinking some more probably picked up from aviation usage.
Enthusiasts lists this year have been reporting older 737s in Jet 2's fleet being as ferried from Leeds to Kemble for parting out.
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I’d heard the expression, and assumed it was an Americanism. Which might well fit with the aviation link?
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>> I’d heard the expression, and assumed it was an Americanism. Which might well fit with
>> the aviation link?
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First used in 1534 apparently - to divide into parts.
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Not really anything to do with aircraft, its an Americanism especially on car adverts, equivalent to 'spares or repair'.
Last edited by: sooty123 on Mon 18 Jun 18 at 22:27
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This guy will repair it
youtu.be/1tTE379icgo (part one)
youtu.be/EV9r5h_umdQ (part two)
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That looks very much the YouTube version of a Haynes manual... in theory all very straightforward... ;)
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This makes for interesting viewing - the trade comments are that most people would not want to touch it!
www.facebook.com/KurdNiga/videos/1635656329866313/?fref=mentions
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Well, it didnt reach the reserve and was unsold...
They’re trying again!
www.copart.co.uk/lot/34895818
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And again...
Didn’t sell last week, or this week by the looks of it.
www.copart.co.uk/lot/34895818
Hasn’t reached reserve, and yet bidding went up to £2,050 as far as I could see.
Given you can buy a 6 month old used one for £14.5k before discount, or a brand new one for £17.5k ish I still can’t see how there’s money in fixing DG18ENH. Assuming it’s done to a good standard that is...
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Chances are the floor is buckled, needs a lot of specialist gear to fix that.
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Yeah, definitely some deformation to the main passenger cell I reckon, judging by where the windscreen has broken. Anyway, good news...now listed for the auction next week 😂
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>> Chances are the floor is buckled, needs a lot of specialist gear to fix that.
Not if you get a Russian guy called Arthur tussik on the case.
Some of his work I've seen on You-Tube brings a whole new meaning to the words "cut n shut".
www.youtube.com/channel/UCJDyqaoyVtWKhCiTPZVOoyA
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR2f-q4WPfs
Some of his work is amazing. However I don't think I'd feel safe in any of his repaired cars.
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How would any other body shop repair a damaged car? I thought that his repair techniques are pretty standard, although many of the cars he repairs would be written off in the UK.
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Neither welded metal nor previously stressed and straightened metal behave as the original metal would.
Thus under your insurance it can't be done. That doesn't mean a body shop can't do it.
And that represents the difference in repair costs and is why written off cars are bought, repaired and sold.
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>> I thought that his repair techniques are pretty standard,
They are, it's just the level he works to that is brought into question. With some of his repairs to that BMW, he has changed the structural integrity of the car. It will now behave differently in another crash than BMW originally designed it.
I found another You-Tube clip where someone commented on instead of the new roof being spot welded into place, it was bonded using special glues. Also the repair to the frame rail. That should have been cut away from the bulkhead and a new one welded in its place. Not cut apart, straightened, and welded back together again. That said, he is a damn good metal fabricator though.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgu9_VU44dg
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It has now sold, I assume for around the £2k mark as that’s where it kept getting to...! Search saved on auto trader to see when DG18ENH pops back up!
www.copart.co.uk/lot/34895818
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Breaking that for parts will make more than £2k for sure.
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Well, in an unexpected twist I’ve been contacted via messenger by the guy who bought it... He paid just under £4K apparently, which leaves me somewhat flabbergasted. Plans on fixing it up, but is finding spares hard to come by... wondered if I had any paperwork or keys. Everything went to Copart, so not sure what they’ve done with them... not sure whether to tell him what I really think!!
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>> He paid just under £4K apparently, which leaves me somewhat flabbergasted.
That's a lot to have paid for a car needing such extensive repairs. Well that's what I think. And I think you do too. Chassis definitely damaged as well as the obvious front end (with RADAR sensor etc.).
Wasn't it about £15k retail brand new?
The headlight replacements won't be cheap just for two items. Cheaper to buy a second hand one surely.
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Casting no aspersions at this particular gentleman...
>>Cheaper to buy a second hand one...
...or acquire a stolen one.
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Hadn't thought of that. You might be right.
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I don't know if it is still done, but it used to be quite widespread. A very quick way to superficially legitimise a stolen car and sell it on before disappearing at the first sign of trouble.
Actually I think the first time I came upon it was with motorbikes.
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www.copart.co.uk/lot/43536378 - this was my daughter's car until a couple of weeks ago, when an Argos Mercedes van didn't stop in time while looking at an accident in the other direction.
We're a bit dismayed it was written off, but the C-Posts are creased at the top.
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>> this was my daughter's car until a couple of weeks ago,
A VW Golf Twist. Quite an apt name that ;)
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At first glance looks easily repairable, tailgate only damage even the panel gaps look good! Is the C pillar damage easily visible in the flesh? Since it has been classified structural by the insurers presumably will require a detailed inspection post repair and before resale?
unless of course the assessor and the scrappie are in cahoots? :)
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>> unless of course the assessor and the scrappie are in cahoots? :)
To be honest I've been concerned about that. It went to our insurers repairer, they called and said they'd be looking to repair the car, then two days later the insurer left a message to say it's a write off and a cheque's in the post.
I called the repairer same day and they said the car's gone and were a bit over-keen to close the conversation down. Insurance company said the car hadn't gone at all, and was still there! It's been quite a while and when it wasn't appearing on Copart I thought someone had snaffled it.
As for the damage, there's a structural hoop at the back that the C posts fasten to and it goes across the roof, with the hatch hinges fastened to it. This has been 'tweaked' and it's creased the C Posts. They also said the boot floor is damaged, but it looked fine to me.
I did think that as it was non-fault it would be repaired up to market value, rather than the usual 60%, but apparently even at 100% the cost is touch and go.
Daughter had been thinking of changing it but decided not to - so had a pro-valet a few days before. And it was near full of fuel. :(
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>>>> unless of course the assessor and the scrappie are in cahoots? :)
Not impossible, of course, But very unlikely in any major way.
The reason for not paying for repairs up to the market value is that such significant repairs can come with value and warranty issues. A simple cheque does not.
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And there's the cost of providing a car whilst yours is being repaired.
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>> And there's the cost of providing a car whilst yours is being repaired.
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Apparently they don't take that into account. Her insurer put her in a top-of-the-range Nissan X-Trail which she was initally horrified by but quickly got used to, especially as it had a birds-eye camera system. Granddaughter loved the massive glass roof and the 7 seater potential for a road trip with some friends! She's a bit dismayed the new car won't have any of those things.
What I'd never thought about before / didn't know, is once they send the cheque they want the car back. Fine if you have a spare car kicking around but a lot of pressure if you don't, especially right now as new car lead times are horrendous on many vehicles. As it happens she's ordered a SEAT Ateca, which was the car she was considering changing to anyway, and the dealer, unprompted, gave her a courtesy SEAT Arona until it arrives. The new one is at the dealer now.
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>> The reason for not paying for repairs up to the market value is that such
>> significant repairs can come with value and warranty issues.
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Yes - initially we were dismayed that it wasn't going to be repaired, this is one of the last of the "basic" cars - minimal electronics, normal handbrake etc. We've had it from new and it's been properly maintained with everything done on time and was on Michelin Cross Climate tyres. I was thinking we'd keep it for 'ever'.
But then you start thinking how is the car going to be, say, three years down the line? They're never the same after repair and I can imagine things like water leaks though the hatch etc.
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I suspect that it will reappear on a backstreet dealers home forecourt at some point in the future if it is not picked up as a very suitable first time car for someone in the trade. I assume that all it requires is an MoT after repair, although the log book will show as a CatS.
Interesting that you smelled a (albeit little) rat with the answers you received.
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>> Daughter had been thinking of changing it but decided not to - so had a
>> pro-valet a few days before. And it was near full of fuel. :(
The SEAT also had a full tank of petrol; I filled it up the night before!
I sense from the tone of the messages that the guy who bought DG18ENH wasn’t a professional car repairer. It sounded like he was trying to pick up second hand parts, source potentially ‘unknown’. He asked me if there was any engine or gearbox damage! Given it wasn’t driven post accident I was unable to comment... I wonder if using its identity by ‘ringing’ is still an easy way of legitimising a stolen car? The ViN is held in so many places now would you get away with it?
Anyway, paying £4K for a written off car that’s available brand new and undamged for £17k makes no sense at all to me. I haven’t heard any more form hi.
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>> I sense from the tone of the messages that the guy who bought DG18ENH wasn’t
>> a professional car repairer.
I was amazed to read on another forum of a girl who'd bought car from Copart that she was going to ask he dad to fix up for her cheaply. No idea how that went (the fourm question was about missing V5) but doing such a thing seems beyond bonkers to me.
Maybe your typical Copart buyer doesn't worry about things like some of us do?
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