Really annoyed with the kid's driving instructor.
Apparently doing a turn in the road the kid kerbed the tyre and damaged it (scuff on a quick examination at the time).
Call from the instructor to the kid this AM complaining that 3 lessons had to be cancelled and wants the cost of the tyre!
Kid at Uni very upset as the instructor wants £200 to include the lost lessons.
IMHO, its the instructors fault for not taking control of the car. The tyre was probably part worn anyway so claiming full replacement cost is a bit of a cheek. He should have had a spare to replace the wheel given his occupation as a driving instructor.
Its a MINI - how much are tyres for these anyway?
If it were me, I would tell the instructor to politely go and procreate as these are driving school costs.
Last edited by: zippy on Fri 6 Oct 17 at 11:35
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>> If it were me, I would tell the instructor to politely go and procreate as
>> these are driving school costs.
He has insurance. Tell him to take a hike.
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Tell him to FRO, cheeky b******.
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Time for him to get a new driving instructor.
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The instructor's a complete twonk. Many school cars are leased through specialists. They can choose a lease that includes unlimited tyre replacement after damage. If they choose not to do this or buy their own cars they are obviously willing to self insure.
As for claiming for cancelled lessons... that guy really hasn't thought through the risks and responsibilities of the job very well.
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BTW a driving instructor (self employed) down our road has replaced the alloys on his mini with matt black steel rims and at a guestimate I reckon he's gone down two tyre widths with a higher profile.
Last edited by: Fenlander on Fri 6 Oct 17 at 12:44
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Exactly.
I'd tell the instructor I was going to contact his supervising examiner with a view to having it explained to him (The instructor) exactly what dual controls are and how to use them, as well as his duty of care and legal responsibilities during a paid for driving lesson.
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1) Instructor can sling his hook, plenty more around.
2) What do instructors terms and conditions say about damage to car? If they say trainee is liable was that clear when signing up for lessons.
Absent a clear term he'd be laughed out of the (small claims) court if he pursued it. And even then......
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No contract signed so all is good there.
Mrs' Note was T-boned in a carpark this afternoon by a car reversing out of a space, she was stationary and tooted a warning to no avail. Looks like a couple of door skins and a respray - annoying as the car has only done 6k miles.
I dropped a bottle of lemon juice whilst doing tea and smashed a bowl and a wine glass. Thank goodness it was empty! :-) And no, it wasn't drink related, I hadn't got that far!
I think that's the three things - touch wood! ;-)
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This week, I'd booked a dentist appointment (I hate dentists).
SWMBO had booked us both in for 'flu jabs ( I hate needles).
Then the bowel cancer screening kit turned up in the post...........................................
Just found out I'd won £125 on the bonds.
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>>Just found out I'd won £125 on the bonds.
B****r, I won £25!
Grrr!
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Bonds? Don't talk to me about bonds. Been trying to buy some for six weeks now with no success at all. It's a long story I won't bore you all with. But I am still bond-free, alas.
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>> This week, I'd booked a dentist appointment (I hate dentists).
>> SWMBO had booked us both in for 'flu jabs ( I hate needles).
>> Then the bowel cancer screening kit turned up in the post...........................................
If you would let us have a blow by blow account of the third item procedure, I am sure we would all be very grateful.
It's just possible that I may be able to give you a few hints and tips to ensure the procedure goes, er, smoothly.
Tip 1. The emetic supplied is very powerful.
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Advise instructor to "have s3x and travel",
Tell "kid" to stop worrying, and advise him (?) that this chancer / bully won't be the last one he will meet in his life.
Tell "kid" to get onto twitface and tell the story, doesn't need to ask for support, just tell the story and people will make their own minds up. (like on this forum)
Just checked before posting -
" .. Mrs' Note was T-boned in a carpark this afternoon .. "
She has my sympathy, i had three narrow escapes yesterday, just exiting Tesco's car park for cripe's sake !, the last one, who pulled out right in front of me, all but comitted suicide on the exit roundabout, didn't appear to even be aware that there was a car already there on his (?) right, how matey missed him i will never know.
Hill Street Blues - "be careful out there"
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I was VERY nearly rear-ended on Thursday. Approaching a set of crossroads controlled by traffic lights in a 30 limit built up area, with two lanes of traffic in my direction of travel, at less than the speed limit, but still perhaps a tad fast, the light changed to amber.
I anchored up pretty VERY smartly and stopped just as the lights turned to red.
A VW Golf behind me was obviously not expecting me to stop and had to make a very quick dodge out into the right turn lane, shot past me at speed, narrowly missing crunching my rear offside quarter and crashed through the lights, then firmly at red.
Luckily the traffic was slow to make a getaway from the other crossing direction and he got away with it.
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You stop at a red light at your peril these days.
I had loads of time to stop (and did) at the lights on the eastbound Histon exit slip on the A14 last week. I was in the left lane (allowed), to turn right towards Cambridge. No fewer than three cars went past me as I stopped at the line, fortunately all in the right lane.
goo.gl/oFJDGm
To the topic - in the absence of intent by the pupil to cause damage the instructor is in charge, accountable and responsible on a driving lesson, "end of".
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>> You stop at a red light at your peril these days.
On balance I think choosing not to stop might be a tad more risky.
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>> On balance I think choosing not to stop might be a tad more risky.
Well, yes. May as well be burnt as scalded:)
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Naughty naughty mister Google - I can read the number plate on that silver Fabia
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>> Naughty naughty mister Google - I can read the number plate on that silver Fabia
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Everyone who sees the car in the real world can see it too. What is the problem with it being seen online or in the printed media? Filming in a public place is not an offence except in security sensitive locations covered by by-laws.
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As Manatee says. I have one set of lights controlling a crossroads plus a fifth minor exit on my way to work. I know that traffic regularly jump the amber/red from my right onto the main road. Stopping at those lights on the bike is perilous enough without having to factor in people who can't seem to wont to obey basic road rules/law.
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Our son damaged the rim and tyre of his driving instructors car a few years back. We live in a small town where everybody knows everybody and whatever the legal position folks do what seems right. We split the cost. Seemed fair to us.
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I clumsily knocked a tin of paint off a shelf in a nearby DIY shed a few months ago. Entirely my fault, of course, but they would not allow me to pay for it.
In store damage, they said. Our responsibility.
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>> Our son damaged the rim and tyre of his driving instructors car a few
>> years back. We live in a small town where everybody knows everybody and whatever the
>> legal position folks do what seems right. We split the cost. Seemed fair to us.
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Don't mind that TBH. Neither does the kid, he even said a contribution, but £200 for a mini tyre and probably part worn anyway!
Continentals are £70 each fully fitted at Kwikfit for the car. There was no wheel damage!
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>> What is the problem with it being seen online or in the printed media?
Dunno mate, Google usually blurs number plates. Many do the same when posting pics of their jamjars on image hosting sites like Flickr & Photobucket etc. Some strange coves about these days :)
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Google do it to quieten down the significant paranoid whinging which occurred when they started.
Why people do it on line is just that, paranoia. As you say, we all drive the streets showing off our number plate all the time.
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>> Why people do it on line is just that, paranoia. As you say, we all
>> drive the streets showing off our number plate all the time.
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There is some good reasons to keep your plate off the web. If you have a car worth nicking, the scroat who does so can easily find the right model and colour on Google images, have a plate made, have your motor away and be safe for a few weeks in it.
It's not paranoia, it's what happens in a country that is only policed by ANPR
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Or they can stand by Tesco's car park for 5 minutes.
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I did say car worth nicking and the right colour, 5 minutes outside Tesco will only get you cold and wet
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>>Naughty naughty mister Google - I can read the number plate on that silver Fabia
Can't make out the number on this Beemer:
i.ytimg.com/vi/w63Zx6fmRiQ/maxresdefault.jpg
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Jesus!! .. hez me actually looking for the number plate.
:o}
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Bit of a silly place to park really, there was always a chance of being rear ended there.
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Kid has received a very abusive text from the driving instructor this evening which he forwarded...
"I want the f***ing money for the tyre! I hope you fail your f***ing test!"
Driver is a part of a national school. I feel a complaint letter is to be drafted in the morning.
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Ha - someone texted that to my kid it'd probably be forwarded to the fuzz also.
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Indeed, threatening behaviour. Also report him to the DVSA as not a fit and proper person, and he will loose his ADI accreditation and hence his job.
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>> Indeed, threatening behaviour. Also report him to the DVSA as not a fit and proper
>> person, and he will loose his ADI accreditation and hence his job.
Definitely that. In my previous job I used to see Tribunal decisions wher ADI's had been barred and appealed. DVSA are very tough on the fit/proper person bit with a heavy emphasis on ADI's involvement with young people.
Key case is Harris v The Registrar of Approved Driving instructors:
www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/2010/808.html
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>> Driver is a part of a national school.
He was. He's giving them a bad name.
I had an excellent teacher through a national school. Passed the test, did motorway lesson afterwards etc. He picked me to be his pupil for his own assessment and he was chuffed to get 4 out of 5. It was in an area he didn't know (north Manchester) and one situation had him marked down - me reversing round a blind blend due to a dead end instead of reversing into a parking pay to the right.
I wasn't so impressed when he had me reverse around corners in Whalley Range when there was a prostitute on the corner so I ignored the instruction and drove on.
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Re: Abusive text
Don't mess about, stamp and stamp hard. Gradual escalation is always a risk.
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>> Kid has received a very abusive text from the driving instructor this evening which he
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>> "I want the f***ing money for the tyre! I hope you fail your f***ing test!"
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>> Driver is a part of a national school. I feel a complaint letter is to
>> be drafted in the morning.
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When the DVSA sees that he will be out on his hind quarters. I'd bypass the school and go straight to them, no way is this guy fit to be doing the job.
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Kid saw the campus cops (real police) on the way to get some Lemsip from the pharmacy and showed them the text.
They took him to the on campus station and photographed the texts.
Advised they would deal, advising that they will not tolerate that sort of behaviour.
(PS I bumped into the cops on the kid's second day at Uni. I was parked up near the halls on a double yellow line getting a weights bench and some weights out of the car when their van pulled up with blues on.
Two officers jumped out and helped with the weights to the kerb and then spent 5 minutes chatting to the kid about the weights - what exercises he liked etc.)
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>> Advised they would deal, advising that they will not tolerate that sort of behaviour.
Criminal conviction would seal deal for DVSA once and for all and of course he's obliged to disclose it.
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Which Uni is he at?
Not in any way condoning the Instructors behaviour but I believe there is a bit of a racket going on with these 'franchised' outfits. Maybe having a bad time.
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>>Which Uni is he at?
UEA. Lovely campus.
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>>Zigurrat dweller?
No, the block behind Congregation Hall opposite the Lower Common Room and library.
Nice en-suite room. Cleaner twice a week. Views over parkland. Costs me a fortune! :-)
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Probably down the beer festival tonight.
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Probably.
He did mention that he was out with some mates.
He is more of a shorts drinker though. If they had a whiskey festival he'd be very happy.
Was up there last week to see him as I was in area on business.
Took him for a burger, GBK, no change from £50 for two burgers, some sides, fries and a couple of shakes!!!!!!!!!
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When first child went to uni, we worked out the cost of accommodation and an allowance for food etc (we were prepared to buy clothing and other stuff). No tuition fees in those days.
"That won't pay for me going out drinking" they replied.
They got a job in the student bar. With friends, but not buying drinks.
Still came out with a student loan. Second child learnt the lesson!
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>>"That won't pay for me going out drinking" they replied.
An essential part of the point of University is making friends as a grown up. No booze, no friends.
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UEA - University of Easy Access :)
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Driving Lesson Tyre Damage - Zero
