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Like all next generation models, it's put on some weight and got wider and longer.
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The new Polo is apparently the size of the Mark IV Golf. So yes they're all getting bigger.
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>> The new Polo is apparently the size of the Mark IV Golf. So yes they're
>> all getting bigger.
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Hence the need to introduce the UP! below the Polo.
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Magazines never seem to road test the entry level "950cc Popular Plus" when a new car comes out!!
Havent clicked on the link, just the description in the link makes me think that Fiesta willprobably list at over £20k??
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The Ka is now the real Fiesta, the Fiesta itself being more of an Escort size wise.
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Cars are getting bigger and roads on new build estates seem to be getting smaller.
Drove the Mrs' Note down a new housing estate to have a look at a new house and was surprised to note that two small cars had difficulty passing each other because the road was so narrow! (Both at the kerb, the wing mirrors of the Note and a Fiesta would have overlapped if the kerb wasn't mounted!)
Regulations need to change to ensure new roads can cope with ever larger vehicles or limit the size of vehicles.
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New estate builders are selling houses not roads.
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They are selling the package of house, location and amenities and at a seriously significant premium to other houses in the area and if the herringbone paved road cannot handle normal cars then one wonders what else they have skimped on!?
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Skimped on nothing, it's the land wot costs, so they could build smaller houses to make bigger roads if you want
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Hey, not asking too much here, just roads that two small cars can reasonably pass each other on without having to mount the kerb!
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Ok no problem, that will be a yard off your front room, and a yard off your neighbour over the road please
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Or ridiculous planning rules that allow overly dense buildings per acre, from 9 per acre when my house was built to 16 per acre now.
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>> Or ridiculous planning rules that allow overly dense buildings per acre, from 9 per acre
>> when my house was built to 16 per acre now.
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No problem, we can go back to 9 per acre. Cancel that £250k house, that will be £500k please
This is a small island, with 62 million people on it. They need affordable housing, if the price of that is a thinner road then that's something you will just have to put up with
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>> No problem, we can go back to 9 per acre. Cancel that £250k house, that
>> will be £500k please
We could always eschew the binary approach and go for a figure between 9 and 16.
Or make better use of space. Three storey townhouses? Back to backs only properly built?
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Problem is, people don't really like three storey new-builds, and stairs end up taking up a disproportionate amount of floor space. This is compounded when developers try and cram in a garage downstairs to meet planning requirements for off-street parking imposed by local authorities. Factor in that a quarter to a third of units have to effectively be provided 'at cost' to Housing Associations for affordable housing. Add on the S106 requirement (what would be called a bribe in some countries...) to contribute to infrastructure that the government / local authority really ought to provide (schools, healthcare, public transport connections) and you can see why the costs mount up. In W Sussex decent quality agricultural land is around £15 ~ £20k an acre. With planning for houses it's worth at least 20 to 25 times that. More intelligent planning, or indeed joined up planning, rather than the council by council, district by district piecemeal approach where whole areas of land in some areas is zoned for development while the places people might actually want to live are excluded would certainly help.
I think also that there was a phase of 'back to back' one bed starter homes, 4 to a building (effectively quartered) in the late '80s / early 90's. Again, not popular. And I imagine in anything larger than a one-bed fire-escape routes and need for natural light would mean land would be less effectively used than currently.
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>> We could always eschew the binary approach and go for a figure between 9 and
>> 16.
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>> Or make better use of space. Three storey townhouses? Back to backs only properly built?
We could always try population control.
I wonder why it is that politicians won't mention it?
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>> I wonder why it is that politicians won't mention it?
Because we need the population to continue to grow to fund the pensions and spending of previous generations ;)
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>> so they could build smaller houses
Houses are getting smaller rooms in some developments too. Saw some town houses back in 2008 when looking to move. Nice houses but some of the bedrooms had room for a double bed and no other furniture. I kid you not. No way to fit in a wardrobe.
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>> Nice houses but some of the bedrooms had room for
>> a double bed and no other furniture. I kid you not. No way to fit
>> in a wardrobe.
When looking to move from 3 to 4 beds in 1997/8 we viewed several houses in two early nineties developments by same builder. In more than place one rooms 3 & 4 would only take a 'shorty' single bed and would need bespoke furniture for wardrobe and desk stuff we knew kids would need in their teens.
Better here where the developer went for 12 sensibly proportioned places instead of 13 rabbit hutches.
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We've an odd-ish set up where we are. Really narrow lane where two vehicles can not pass without one driving off the road, but quite big American style gardens with no pavement. We can easily get 5 large cars on our drive with room to spare, 3 abreast and two abreast behind them, and we could put a sixth one in the garage as indeed the house opposite can too. If the developers had used the last metre or so of both front gardens as road instead, it would still have allowed good off road parking both sides and a much more usable road.
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Same here on a smaller scale, we have a full sized road with pavements, sensible sized garages and open front gardens, off road parking for a minimum of two cars (many can park up to six off road). All bungalows of assorted sizes built over the last fifteen to twenty years.
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Maison Ted was built in 1925. The road is wide enough to park 2 cars opposite each other without using the pavement and still get a bin wagon through. I can get 6 cars on the drive, one in the garage and the caravan and box trailer.
On the other hand, my biker pals house is slightly detached, mid 30s and the road is about the width of 2 cars, you can't put 2 wheels on the pavement as there is a metre wide grass verge on each side with trees, then the pavement. A further problem is that he is 50 metres from a busy hospital where parking is at a premium. It's a wealthy area so all residents have 2 cars, he has 3 but the 2CV lives in the garage which fortunately has double doors at the rear as well so his bike can live securely in the car port beyond that. Parking on the road can only be on one side but all the houses have wide driveways that residents have made to get 2 cars in. The road is full of NHS staff in the week.
Where you settle is a big life-changer. Had we bought his house and brought up our kids there , It would have changed my life. I couldn't have started my second career...nowhere to leave the truck. We and the kids would have a different circle of friends, bar a few. Kids relationships would have been different and the grandkids would be different ones.
Just for somewhere to live !
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>> Where you settle is a big life-changer. Had we bought his house and brought up
>> our kids there , It would have changed my life.
Ted,
That is a superb piece of observation. Stuff that makes enduring the backbiting and bullying here worthwhile.
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Of course where you live changes your life, but you have no idea if it would have been better if not.
You second career would have been different, but might have been better, your kids would have different friends, but worse ones? Probably not, kids relationships may well have been the same or better, As for grandkids, they would definitely be the same.
Because at the end of the day, it's not where you live, it's how you live your life and what you instill in others that is really the influencer
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>> Houses are getting smaller rooms in some developments too.
>> Saw some town houses back in 2008 when looking to move.
>> Nice houses but some of the bedrooms had room for a double bed and no other furniture.
>> I kid you not. No way to fit in a wardrobe.
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Small houses plus lots of must have kit has lead to lots and lots of Big Yell type storage depos in my area.
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Some people have lots of treasured junk. When they die it will all be in a skip within weeks. I won't inflict that hassle on my kids.
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So, nice new rear end, good performance and economy, and great to drive apparently ...
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>>So, nice new rear end, good performance and economy, and great to drive apparently ...
Still has 3 cylinder engines & unless they have solved the issues it will be a NO.
WE will know if the engines are OK in 3/4 years - testing @ the factory might say one thing - punters on the road might prove otherwise.
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>> Still has 3 cylinder engines & unless they have solved the issues it will be
>> a NO.
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>> WE will know if the engines are OK in 3/4 years - testing @ the
>> factory might say one thing - punters on the road might prove otherwise.
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The problems are few, I reckon they are fundamentally good engines.
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If you are buying new and keeping for the full 3 year warranty period before selling it shouldn't be a problem. Apart from the hassle of any reliability problems.
I do know private buyers who buy new and sell once the manufacturers warranty expires at 3yo. It gives them peace of mind and the idea of buying something like mine, 5yo with 130k on the clock, even in immaculate condition with FSH would abhor them. Despite the huge financial saving.
Horses for courses. I'm 50/50 on whether I would ever buy a 3cyl such as the 1.0 125 bhp engine I had in the rental Focus. Maybe in my dotage, but I think that engine has been available for quite a few years now. Could be wrong.
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3cyl such as the 1.0 125 bhp engine I had in the rental Focus. Maybe in my dotage,
>> but I think that engine has been available for quite a few years now. Could
>> be wrong.
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Alt least five years I guess and now in 140bhp form, power and torque compares with the '08 2.0 Clio III we had a few years ago, it had a very sweet Nissan based chain cam engine though was IIRC 175 ish g/km, about the same as my 3.0t 6 cyl M135i, whereas the 1.0t 3cyl 140 Fiesta is 102 g/km. Progress.
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>> WE will know if the engines are OK in 3/4 years - testing @ the
>> factory might say one thing - punters on the road might prove otherwise.
Been around now for 4 to 5 years on the road, and they seem to be holding up pretty well.
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New Fiesta - VxFan
