Motorist caught speeding - doing 58 in a 50mph zone.
Falsified evidence with a photgraph taken many months after the event to try & avoid a fine & 3 points.
Given 8 months, suspended for 2 years.
£220 fine, £1,200 costs & 170 hours unpaid work in the community
He won't do that again!!
Criminal Record, £1420 fines, Insurances of all sorts rocketing.........
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I am a digital user with little IT knowledge but I know better than trying to beat a forensic computer specialist, or even any of my teenage grandkids. We have some software that recovers lost data, occaisionally used for camera SD cards that have been formatted or erased, clever stuff!
Last edited by: Old Navy on Tue 7 Jun 16 at 07:29
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I would rather like to think that you wouldn't do such a thing because it's dishonest rather than you lack the IT skills to cheat. ON. I'm sure that's the case!
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Sorry if I was too subtle. He was naive to think he could beat the system. Is that better?
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A dumbo to falsify things in the attempt to avoid a smallish fine.
However, 58 in a 50 limit doesn't look all that heinous to me. You would have to know exactly where, and the exact circumstances. But as speed limits generally are absurdly low, I will go with my intuition that 58 is hardly speeding at all.
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"But as speed limits generally are absurdly low, ..."
I couldn't agree with you more. Down our way, one entire South London Borough has introduced a 20mph blanket speed limit and the adjoining borough will follow suit in a month's time. Nobody, but nobody pays any attention to it. Even the buses brake to slow down at the speed cameras.
I was following one unfortunate car driver doing a steady 26mph and he was flashed by a camera. Being next in line I had the time to slow down from my 'reckless speeding' and didn't trigger it.
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Have been up and down the M1 in the last few years and mile after mile of roadworks with 50mph limits and this is 24 hours a day. At night you are the only one there with the choice of 3 lanes and yet the limit is 60mph outside our house.
Even where there are no roadworks they abuse these variable speed limits to try and make money from fines I presume. They suddenly go to 50mph and then 40mph with a message that says CONgestion and there is nothing there by the time the restriction ends..
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When over 30 is "unlucky" to be caught doing .
Last year i travelled down from A40, past Westfield, towards Earls,Court, but turned right Onto the A4 up , it's a 3 lane dual carriage way, there's no notification of the speed limit, I didn't realise a 3 lane A road Would be a 30Mph........are there any other 3 lanes where it's restricted to 30, OK normally on that road , it's probably difficult to get over 20mph, so probably isn't an issue
And last week a mate gone done, for 36mph on the two lane highway from Hanger Lane down Gunnersbury Ave, there's a large downhill, with a sneaky camera at the bottom..............
Perhaps, rather having to rely on signage, or distance of street lamps, perhaps roads need to be colour coded, red stripe in the middle of the road , for 30mph, orange for 40mph, pink for 50mph, green for 60 and blue for 70..... But that would solve all speeding ignorance, and mean no funds raised
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>> And last week a mate gone done, for 36mph on the two lane highway from
>> Hanger Lane down Gunnersbury Ave, there's a large downhill, with a sneaky camera at the
>> bottom..............
That's part of the North Circular Road isn't it? Urban, street lit and lined on both sides with housing and/or commercial premises. Unless a higher limit is posted it's going to be thirty - street lights alone enough for that.
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Ah right london, aren't most roads 30mph? I would imagine all the roads are so busy anything else is pointless?
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>> Ah right london, aren't most roads 30mph? I would imagine all the roads are so
>> busy anything else is pointless?
Pretty much IME. Exception is a few urban expressways like sections of the A41 through Brent Cross etc, and even that is 40 now.
Some pretty serious thoroughfares, eg Woburn Place' are 20.
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Speaking of London,I remember when the smart new 3 lane each way dual carriagway A2 built in the 1970s had a 70mph limit south, out from the Blackwall tunnel - then it became 60mph, then 50 and it's now even 40mph in places. Nothing has changed with the same road layout in all that time.
I often took my Escort Mexico for a blast down it as it was the nearest road in London for miles with a 70 limit.
I think the A40 elevated Westway was 70mph too when it was first opened.
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Memories of a Mexico for me there Dulwich. Never owned one myself but a pal had an orange one, which superceded an Escort Harrier ( a 1.3 with fancy seats I think!)
I eventually bought a third hand RS2000 (droop snoot) which I road rallied, spectacularly unsuccessfully!
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Escort Harriers were 1600s. ( sorry, car nerd time ! )
;-)
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As were Mexicos ( I think)
Could you please enlighten me as to the main differences then?
Just curious for old times sake... Several years later a friend bought one of those new shape RS1600i s which are probably a collectors item now
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Escort Mexico - a first generation Ford Escort special edition in honour of a rally car
Escort Harrier - a special (run-out) edition of the second generation Ford Escort. There was an RS Mexico.
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The first Mexico (Type 49 Body?) was built at Ford's AVO plant in Aveley in Essex, not Dagenham where the boring cars were built.
This Mexico came out 1970 ? after the win in the London to Mexico rally. Was it Roger Clark ? There really wasn't much remarkable about the production, albeit small scale, car: it had a 1600cc pushrod, Weber carb engine, the front wheel arches were flared out and it had quarter bumbers on the front. The interior was "sporty" with hugging seats and sports steering wheel. I think it did 0 -60 in something amazing (for the day) about 12.5 seconds.
I think they became popular because they were relatively cheap as all fast Fords were, and still are to some extent. Enthusiasts bought them because of the ease of modification to make them go faster and handle better.
Later, at Ford's Advanced Vehicle Operations, they made the Escort RS1600 and Capri RS3100.
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Quite right, but -
" ,, Was it Roger Clark ? .. "
Nope, winning driver was Hannu Mikkola, (FEV 1H) the 1600cc "Kent" engine (enlarged a bit, to 1800cc ?) was chosen because it was thought that it would cope better with the lower octane rated South American petrol available than the 1600 twin cam would, or the even more highly tuned BDA (Belt Driven "A" Series)
Result - spot - on Ford !
Resulting production copy (Mexico) started the whole "GTI" movement (IMO) and just like the rest of the 60's (OK - it was 1970), the rest of the world copied us.
(and remembering all this makes me feel really old !!)
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Of course you're right - FEV 1H - Hannu Mikkola, one of the flying Finns.
I've poked about on my bookshelves and found "Ford Escort RS" by Graham Robson.
With the memories starting to trickle back I will read it (again) from cover to cover. Dipping in to it I can see:
"When launched in November 1970 a Mexico cost £1150."
"Road tests credited the Mexico with a maximum speed of 100mph, 0-60 mph in about 13 seconds, a standing start quarter mile in 18 seconds, and overall fuel consumption of 27 to 28 mpg."
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..my second car was a Mk1 Escort Sport.
It was essentially a pared-down 1300GT 2-door, with a twin-choke Weber, the Mexico flared wheel arches and front quarter bumpers.
I really liked that car (though there wasn't much I didn't have to take apart and put back together - several times!)
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There's a coincidence, my second car was a Mk 1 Escort 2 door too.
Erm, except it had the 1100cc lump of nothing, flat beige paint and someone had fitted it with off cuts of purple 70s lounge carpet with a contemporary swirly pattern. Colway remoulds all round too mind. The tread blocks used to fall off those if you had been a bit enthusiastic, well, very enthusiastic actually given its power limitations.
However, it served me well, and what's more it saved me a fortune in contraceptives. They just weren't necessary if you turned up to meet a girl in that.
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>> They just weren't necessary if you turned up to meet a girl in that.
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...I just had to start talking about twin-choke Webers......
(ISTR that the Mk1 Escort had a floor-mounted dipswitch...)
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>>Ah right london, aren't most roads 30mph?
No. 20.
And a right pain in the neck it is too. The speed limits through town go up and down like yo yos. Often you haven't got a clue what the speed limit is. Some places have regular repeaters which is very helpful.
Some don't. I still haven't worked out where the 20 zone starts on Waterloo road, from where I tend to join it. There's a '20' painted on the road just before the station. And that's it.
I was just about to post on this topic. Something needs to be done as I don't think people have a clue. If there's a bus in front of the 20 zone sign, and you're watching six cyclists at once, what hope do you have of knowing the speed limit. You can generally tell the difference between 30, 40, 50 and 60 zones. 20? no hope.
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Sounds like they just don't want cars in London. It must be a pain for those that need to go into London.
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>> It must be a pain for those that need to go into London.
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It is
But if that is where your "designated workplace" is, that's what you have to do, if you do it by car you usually genuinely have some need to do it, alternatively you may have a fully funded car and free car parking at your destination, which only leaves you the CC to pay.
I am lucky, at least I have a sensible, fairly reliable, relatively comfortable, commute of about 1.5 hours door to door each way, by car, tube (Metropolitan / Jubilee Line) and 10 minute walk.
I know the thought of 1.5 hours each way including public transport will horrify some in this place but there are many millions who do it every morning and you do get used to it.
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I know the thought of 1.5 hours each way including public transport will horrify some
>> in this place but there are many millions who do it every morning and you
>> do get used to it.
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Yes I'd be one of them, I couldn't imagine doing that. 45 mins each way across country, passing near one small market town and a few villages got to be a bit annoying, now I'm about 10 mins from work best thing i ever did.
Luckily we've very little work in London and only a small amount in the south east so very little chance of having to do such a commute. Of course like you say you get used to it as millions do, but personally speaking i wouldn't want to even try and get used to it.
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>> Of course like you say you get used to it as millions do, but personally speaking i wouldn't
>> want to even try and get used to it.
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In my case, I am within a year or so of retirement, have lived in the south east for the last 30+ years and like it. In my case it's either this or living away from home 3 nights a week close to a different client and I've done that long enough. It's nice to get home to my wife at night rather than an empty hotel room.
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Yes personal circumstances are key to that sort of thing. you've spent alot/most of your working life there. So i guess as it got busier it 'grew up' around you?
For me, never had any work closer than 45 minutes north of m25, even at that distance only briefly. I think it would be too much of a change plus I'd have to have complete career change to what god only knows, my current career is virtually none existent down that way.
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"Sounds like they just don't want cars in London. It must be a pain for those that need to go into London."
Over a period of something over 30 years my various jobs necessitated me visiting people's houses within the M25 area. I needed to spend anywhere between 10 minutes and 4 hours for each visit and had heavy paper files / equipment with me. PS a white collar job - not plumbing ! I could visit maybe up to 6 places in a day.
Public transport was totally out of the question - although some visits were in or close to central London, many were in suburbs with the place of visit maybe 20 minutes walk from a bus stop or station.
Since I started that career parking became ever more difficult - sometimes no restrictions but nowhere to park either ! Some areas had pay and display meters, others had a card system which had to be bought in a local shop and then there were the anti-commuter places with no parking within a designated 2 hour slot. OK, you may say get a visitor permit from the house owner. But what if the house is unoccupied ?
I got a few tickets in my time which my employer kindly refunded - the bosses undersood and had the same problems too.
Throw in bus lanes, bike lanes, congestion zone and now the very common 20mph limit I am so glad to be retired and be out of it completely. How on earth do people manage to do what I did nowadays ?
A new trend is to have 2 people in a works van - I think Pimlico Plumbers are trialling it. They employ a retired chap just to sit in the van all day and when illegally parked simply drive it around the block when needed - it's cheaper than paying fines and so much more convenient as the plumber gets so much more time to get on with his job.
It adds to congestion, uses more fuel but hey we now have measures to deal with those problems like .... er .... parking restrictions, bus lanes etc. etc to reduce vehicle use ! ! !
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Cambridge have just launched their "consultation" on the traffic plans for next year. Congestion charge? How very last decade. No, the Great Plan has two major prongs on the pitchfork -
1) Introduction of Workplace Parking Levy (like Nottingham), at about £350 a year per place. Employer pays, and chooses whether or not to pass it on the employee (who I imagine will then get taxed on the benefit).
2) And the bigger one - total closure of main roads to cars at strategic points during peak hours. Basically they are shutting down access to the city by any main road, but it's ok, because "nobody will rat run, they will all get on the bus, as buses can now use the main roads with no cars in the way anymore".
So commuting will now be MUCH longer by car, if possible at all, and also a hefty bill to be paid for parking at work. Or one could elect to use the bus, which after all is what they want you to do.
I won't bother to tell you all the cost of using the bus, as I'm sure you'll realise it's so expensive it will still be WAY more attractive to sit in traffic for even more time, with non-electric ones polluting merrily, and pay the levy.
Such fun.
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>>Cambridge have just launched their "consultation" on the traffic plans for next year.
My eldest lives in a 'new' (8 years ago) house in Cambridge with 5 bedrooms, 3 bathrooms, and 1 parking space. You can see what the direction of travel (ho ho) has been in Cambridge for some time.
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>> A new trend is to have 2 people in a works van - I think
>> Pimlico Plumbers are trialling it. They employ a retired chap just to sit in the
>> van all day and when illegally parked simply drive it around the block when needed
>> - it's cheaper than paying fines and so much more convenient as the plumber gets
>> so much more time to get on with his job.
Good for unemployment i suppose but when it's got to that level surely someone must be thinking, something has gone wrong here?
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No, nothing has gone wrong at all - those upstairs know best and have it all worked out for us.
Like I said:
"It adds to congestion, uses more fuel but hey we now have measures to deal with those problems like .... er .... parking restrictions, bus lanes etc. etc to reduce vehicle use ! ! !"
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Pay the fine - it is a lot cheaper! - Old Navy
