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 Cactus Test drive - Zero
As tested. Cactus 1.2 82ps “Flair” with optional red wing mirror covers and full length sun roof.


It started badly. The car, in Black with black funky alloys and low profile tyres was just being valeted outside, and the sight of the demonstrators logos and adverts splashed down the side made me wince. It got worse, bumping my head on the sun visor on getting in. “adjust the seat height” says the salesman, so grabbing the handle down by my right hand side, it promptly came off in my hand - so I showed it to him with a “typical french car” look, and stuck it back on. Its very much a car you can just sit sideways into, not squat down or climb up.
Turning it on, the auto lights came on (it was a bit gloomy) and it was impossible to see the fuel gauge linear strip in the dimmed speedo display. Turning off the auto lights brought the display up, so off they stayed.

And then it just got better and better.

Three pumps of the seat riser down, shoving the seat backwards, and it all felt suddenly so very right. Moving the leather covered, squarish at top and bottom wheel down perfected it. Rarely have I felt so instantly sorted in a car with such ease. The seat is firm, but not overly hard, nicely sculpted and bolstered, the seat squab being perfect in length and width. Thin seats? not in my view.
Plenty of room in the pedal box, with a left foot footrest.

Dealer explained that most non instant controls and functions are on the largish central screen.,with functions grouped using buttons down the L/H side. View, brightness, touch, layout, size, ergonomically and logically its a dream. Wipers indicators and lights are controlled from stalks on the steering wheel as per normal.
Set the climate control to 21c and I haven’t touched it since.

View out the back is limited, unobstructed, but quite high and small. The Electric door mirrors tho are superb and cover a wide vista left and right.
The rear view camera is a revelation, bright sharp and accurate with excellent helpful guide lines and a distance warning gauge pops up when you start to approach something close. I easily and safely got to within a half a brick width to a wall.
As a combo, the three mirrors and camera cover everything you need and do it well.

Route chosen to home was Ashford Surrey > A316 to Sunbury Cross, M3 J1 to Hook J5, then Aldershot/Ash Vale/Mytchet/Pribright/ Woking/Horsell/ home. A good mix of fast motorway, Slow Motorway (50 mph road works), A road and fast country roads.

Pulling off the dealer forecourt, the first real surprise is the noise. Stick your toe down and as the revs build, it make a delicious deep resonant growling noise. Its not rough, its not gruff, it sounds like a v8 . Its my first 3 cyl and Ididnt realise they can sound like this. Its not an accident, someone has tuned this noise in and you can make it happen or not at will.

Clutch is progressive, gearbox, while not a BMW snick and a little “remote” is fine . The ratios are superb, married with the tractability of the 3 cal engine, 2nd can be use from 10 to 60 mph with no engine complaints at either end (apart from the the growl at the top end)

Performance is fine in the lower gears despite the mere 82 power things, you need to rev it, but it sounds so good you want to do that anyway tho It will poodle at lower revs , with much less snatchy protests than a larger lumped 4 cal.

Thrashed it up (Rev limiter thrash) to 85 on the M3 from J1, a speed it was happy to get to in reasonable time, and then slotted it into 5th. Lack of power shows here, it will maintain that rate, but stuffing your toe down makes the lovely noise but very slow increase in speed, a move back to 4th is needed.

Cruising at 80 is a quiet unruffled affair, and then we hit the long stretch of the 50mph limit, where I got to fiddle with the speed limiter and the cruse. Both work well, showing good integration with the central screen and speedo display, for example Speedo showing cruise engaged, and central display showing your saved speed limits to be selected. Limiter can be “kicked through” by mashing your foot all the way to the floor

By this time I had absolute 80s on the DAB radio, sounding superb, and never dropping out through the entire journey.

Off the motorway the ride is firm but not hard and remarkably compliant on most of the surfaces I encountered on the test route. It fell into a deep pothole in Ash, with little in the way of noisy complaint and dropping down a cog it galloped up the hill on the A287 in the outside lane overtaking everything possible, again dropping a cog the order of the day.

I caned it through the switch back road across the Deepcut/Pirbright ranges, revealing nicely weighted accurate steering, great body control, and handling any normal user will be more than happy with. Brakes are powerful and progressive.

Stopping at roadworks and villages gave me a chance to examine the interior environment.
Its wonderful in there. Not in a luxurious way, but in a Ikea office kinda way. The layout, design, the look, the feel , the way its all been integrated together is nothing short of genius. I was even tooted when the lights turned green, because i was admiring and fondling the leather door pull straps.
The driver/passenger armrest is a well designed bit of kit, easily folds up out of the way of the (old tech i.e. normal) handbrake, but slot down at the prefect height for crusing.


Back home, I played with the technological facilities. Bluetooth Paired my moto, streamed some audio (it has two usb ports as well) made some phone calls, etc. The audio (with some tweaking - first car I have had to wind bass down on) sounds utterly superb unless volume cranked past 11.

It is however, surprisingly given the way its been designed and integrated, remarkable short of storage space in side. The glove box is funky looking but small, the door pockets have little depth, and there is one cup holder. Passenger can go whistle.on the costa stakes.

The detailing is superb, the roof rails are streamlined and look like something off the jetsons space hopper, The (extra) full length sunroof - its just glazing, does not open or tilt - gives a light interior and appears to be well screened against the sun.

With my seat well back there appears to be enough leg room for a small person, tho they get those “crack open” windows, not wind up or down ones. The seats back there look thin, this is not a car for 4 adults in comfort.

This is a car that has character, character that builds, sensible well designed technology (screen controls and displays) that work simply, work well , and dont annoy. Character can be described as shortcomings - not in this car its not.

Now an aspect that few testers comment upon. Whats it like at night?
So night test route was Pyrford/Newlands Corner then up over the Surrey Hills via the sunken lanes and back lanes to Horsley and Ripley.

I turned the stereo off, and I listened to that fabulous growl of the engine. I really thrashed over the hilly twisty hills, and it growled back at me and shot round the corners on skates. The wheel is a perfect size and shape and rim thickness. Sharp steering, small lock. The lights (non HID) are very good, nice wide spread, long enough on dip, and not high on main, Interior lighting is good, no fancy mood lighting.

This is a car with character, its a car that will doodle around at 30 mph in 5th, yet will growl at you with a fabulous noise at 60mph in second. Its utterly fantastic.

It needs a rev counter, because it keeps growling and keeps shooting forward until the rev limiter cuts in.You need to work it hard to get some decent performance out of it.

With all this dashing about , having racked up about 100 miles, all this high reeves growling its come with with 39.7 mpg.

I love this car, I love its looks, its style, its growly hustle, the genius of the interior, the clever but not gratuitous use of tech that works combined with simplicity, its comfort,

I can’t have one tho. The boot , while just about large enough for a dog, has a high lip and a low floor, meaning the dog stumbles jumping in, and stumbles jumping out. Its just about ok with her being young and fit, it will be a problem later. She doesn’t like it back there either.










 Cactus Test drive - CGNorwich
An interesting review

Pets do restrict your choices sometimes
 Cactus Test drive - Zero
>> An interesting review
>>
>> Pets do restrict your choices sometimes
>>

Touche, in this case yes.
 Cactus Test drive - Runfer D'Hills
Would/will/might you buy one?
 Cactus Test drive - nice but dim
Seems a shame, can you not get a doggy ramp or summat?
 Cactus Test drive - Zero
>> Seems a shame, can you not get a doggy ramp or summat?

You can, and I have in the past, but they are a pita to use, because you need to store them in the boot with the dog.
 Cactus Test drive - Runfer D'Hills
Teach the dog to jump.
 Cactus Test drive - Zero
>> Teach the dog to jump.

I have - I have her jumping over a four foot hurdle, and scaling a 6 foot fence. But she is not keen on jumping down into a black hole
 Cactus Test drive - Runfer D'Hills
Big chunk of thick foam rubber or something cut to fit the boot and raise its floor to the height of the lip. Or something like that which can easily be lifted in or out when the space is needed? Old pillow even.
 Cactus Test drive - Zero
I'd rather sell the dog
 Cactus Test drive - Zero
>> Would/will/might you buy one?


Despite the dog issue, I am tempted, but I can see the dog is prepared to put up a fight over it, and that would annoy me.

The one I tested is also over 17.5k Its a fabulous motor but its not 17.5k worth. Discount gets me to about 15k. Second hand in two years time gets me down to 9/10k. I'll consider then.
 Cactus Test drive - PeterS

>> The one I tested is also over 17.5k Its a fabulous motor but its not
>> 17.5k worth. Discount gets me to about 15k. Second hand in two years time gets
>> me down to 9/10k. I'll consider then.
>>

This is cheaper... I think it could be fixed... ;)

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BREAKING-2015-15-REG-CITREON-C4-CACTUS-FOR-PARTS/201515710718
Last edited by: VxFan on Wed 3 Feb 16 at 00:57
 Cactus Test drive - Zero

>> This is cheaper... I think it could be fixed... ;)
>>
>> www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BREAKING-2015-15-REG-CITREON-C4-CACTUS-FOR-PARTS/201515710718
>>
All parts available? I think not
 Cactus Test drive - tyrednemotional
...easy access for a dog as well........


edit to add:

Isn't the side padding supposed to protect against damage?

;-)
Last edited by: tyrednemotional on Wed 3 Feb 16 at 09:14
 Cactus Test drive - Haywain
"This is cheaper... ....."

Driven under a low bridge?
 Cactus Test drive - Old Navy
>> Driven under a low bridge?
>>

That's what happens when you say to the emergency services "My neck hurts" after a minor bump.
 Cactus Test drive - sherlock47
>> >> Driven under a low bridge?
>> >>
>>
>> That's what happens when you say to the emergency services "My neck hurts" after a
>> minor bump.
>>


Worth remembering if you would prefer your car to be written off after a minor rear end shunt!
 Cactus Test drive - WillDeBeest
Good work, Z. I want to try one now!
 Cactus Test drive - Runfer D'Hills
So do I. Feels wrong though. Like admitting to liking Queen or something.
Last edited by: Runfer D'Hills on Tue 2 Feb 16 at 20:50
 Cactus Test drive - Bromptonaut
It's a C4 Cactus?

What about other, more canine friendly, C4 variants either plain vanilla or Picasso?

And whatever the grunt/growl of the three pot a 1.6 Hdi is better suited for anybody but low mileage urban users.

The new blue HDi with it's tank of anti NOx wee-wee is probably too new (in the avoid version before 2.1 sense) but an 18month old HDi 115.....
 Cactus Test drive - Zero
>> It's a C4 Cactus?
>>
>> What about other, more canine friendly, C4 variants either plain vanilla or Picasso?

No thanks, they look like potting sheds with mfi interiors.
 Cactus Test drive - sooty123

>> No thanks, they look like potting sheds with mfi interiors.
>>

Not fancy joining the popemobile club then?
 Cactus Test drive - Zero
>>
>> >> No thanks, they look like potting sheds with mfi interiors.
>> >>
>>
>> Not fancy joining the popemobile club then?

exactly
 Cactus Test drive - Bromptonaut
>> No thanks, they look like potting sheds with mfi interiors.

My mistake. I'd assumed a guy who drove a Lancer wasn't image conscious....
 Cactus Test drive - Zero
>> >> No thanks, they look like potting sheds with mfi interiors.
>>
>> My mistake. I'd assumed a guy who drove a Lancer wasn't image conscious....

Hes not, but he also isn't going to abuse it.
 Cactus Test drive - Zero
>> >> >> No thanks, they look like potting sheds with mfi interiors.
>> >>
>> >> My mistake. I'd assumed a guy who drove a Lancer wasn't image conscious....
>>
>> Hes not, but he also isn't going to abuse it.

Ok' I'll come out of the closet. I do have a slight flicker of interest with a C3 picasso. I note they are amazing cheap second hand.
 Cactus Test drive - Bromptonaut
>> Ok' I'll come out of the closet. I do have a slight flicker of interest
>> with a C3 picasso. I note they are amazing cheap second hand.

C3 Picasso was losing finalist to my Roomster. For all I like the Roomie more each time I drive it realistically I'd have a C3 Picasso now if the local Cit dealer had dealt with me better.
 Cactus Test drive - Robin O'Reliant
>> >>
>> Ok' I'll come out of the closet. I do have a slight flicker of interest
>> with a C3 picasso. I note they are amazing cheap second hand.
>>

A mate is on his second of them. It's just blown the turbo, like the first one he had...
 Cactus Test drive - Bromptonaut
>> A mate is on his second of them. It's just blown the turbo, like the
>> first one he had...

Richard W of this parish warned me about that. It's a feature of the HId16 engines fitted to earleir MY versions. Strained in sump clogs and tarves turbo of oil - BANG!

Same unit was fittedto Fords and similar failures are reportrd from those models too.

The current 8v Hdi doesn't have same predilection.
 Cactus Test drive - Manatee
I like stuff like that.

I wonder though if the 3 cylinder 'growl' would pall with you as it did with me - I had a C1 or C2 courtesy car a few years ago, for about 3 weeks, and I thought it was quite pleasant for the first few days to provoke the noise - then it stated to annoy. By the time I gave it back I was heartily sick of the constant drone, accompanied by so little progress.

On Friday, the Outlander went for service - loan car was a 3 cylinder Colt, and the sensation came back immediately!
 Cactus Test drive - Zero
>> I like stuff like that.
>>
>> I wonder though if the 3 cylinder 'growl' would pall with you as it did
>> with me - I had a C1 or C2 courtesy car a few years ago,
>> for about 3 weeks, and I thought it was quite pleasant for the first few
>> days to provoke the noise - then it stated to annoy. By the time I
>> gave it back I was heartily sick of the constant drone, accompanied by so little
>> progress.

I pondered that, and in this case I don't think it would. There is no constant "drone" it only come sin at high reeves and wide throttle openings. As i said, I suspect someone has realised the noise is inevitable and decided to make it sonorous. There is even a touch of stainless steel exhaust resonance in there at times as well.
 Cactus Test drive - Zero
And on a shopping trip this afternoon I found it had a handy bag hook in the boot.
 Cactus Test drive - Runfer D'Hills
This is not aimed at anyone in particular ( just to be clear ) and is courtesy of my son's high school...

What's the difference between a Citroen Cactus and a real cactus?

The pricks are on the outside of a real cactus...

;-)
 Cactus Test drive - R.P.
I've been dying to say that since this Cactus thing started. I was afraid of Zero giving me a dead-leg...
 Cactus Test drive - Old Navy
>> And on a shopping trip this afternoon I found it had a handy bag hook in the boot.
>>

That is a convincing reason for spending fifteen grand on an ugly car.
 Cactus Test drive - Runfer D'Hills
I like them, but I do feel bad about it.
 Cactus Test drive - Zero
>> I like them, but I do feel bad about it.

The answer is of course pretty clear cut.

Get the wife to have one.


The mirrors do seem remarkably well fixed on.
 Cactus Test drive - Old Navy
>> The mirrors do seem remarkably well fixed on.
>>

That is bad news, Runfer would have to replace the damaged doors when they get ripped off.
Last edited by: Old Navy on Tue 2 Feb 16 at 22:30
 Cactus Test drive - Zero
>> >> And on a shopping trip this afternoon I found it had a handy bag
>> hook in the boot.
>> >>
>>
>> That is a convincing reason for spending fifteen grand on an ugly car.

You have a Yaris. Thats like taking lessons in style from Trumps hairdresser.
 Cactus Test drive - Old Navy
So said the Lancer driver. :-)
 Cactus Test drive - WillDeBeest
Never mind that, we've had sermons on aesthetics from AC in his PT Cruiser. I reckon that clears the way for any of us.
 Cactus Test drive - mikeyb
Pleased to hear you got on OK with that engine. As it happens I've just had a Peugeot 2008 dropped off with the same engine - might even be the same platform underneath
 Cactus Test drive - Kevin
>And on a shopping trip this afternoon I found it had a handy bag hook in the boot.

You won't be able to reach your lipstick if it's in the boot.
 Cactus Test drive - Old Navy
It is a bit of a school run mums car.
 Cactus Test drive - Zero
>> >And on a shopping trip this afternoon I found it had a handy bag hook
>> in the boot.
>>
>> You won't be able to reach your lipstick if it's in the boot.

Oh and how is this for backing that perceptive comment up. The drivers sun visor has a vanity mirror in it, the passenger one doesn't.
 Cactus Test drive - PeterS

>> Oh and how is this for backing that perceptive comment up. The drivers sun visor
>> has a vanity mirror in it, the passenger one doesn't.
>>

Surely that's just because the French thought, 'stuff the Brits, we're not tooling up for a sun visor with vanity mirror for the right hand side... They'll never notice...'
Last edited by: VxFan on Wed 3 Feb 16 at 00:59
 Cactus Test drive - R.P.
Zero did. I saw one today in sort of matt black. Nice motor....maybe if they did a 4x4 (bit taller nice torquey motor)...
 Cactus Test drive - VxFan
>> And on a shopping trip this afternoon I found it had a handy bag hook in the boot.

Only one? Mine's got two ;)
 Cactus Test drive - Avant
Does the Cactus, or any of the Citroens mentioned above, have a variable boot floor as an option? That would make life easier for the Zeropooch.
 Cactus Test drive - Lygonos
drivethedeal.com doing the C3 Picasso in 'Platinum' trim for under £11k
 Cactus Test drive - Zero
>> Does the Cactus, or any of the Citroens mentioned above, have a variable boot floor
>> as an option? That would make life easier for the Zeropooch.

The C3 picas does, and in truth its a much more suited dog carrier. I don't like its van like driving position, and the funky look is over done, so over done its not in the least bit funky.
 Cactus Test drive - Alanovich
Why not just use the wife's Fester whenever you need to transport the dog?

This is my big gripe with modern car ranges - too many "Cross Overs" and "SUVs" and "Lifestyle" cars, rather than a proper estate car of each size, A, B, C and D sectors.
 Cactus Test drive - Zero
>> Why not just use the wife's Fester whenever you need to transport the dog?
>>
One slight issue "I love her deeply but I am not having that stinking hairy mutt in my car"


I did consider muttering a retort "For a woman who roundly abuses the exterior of her car, you are awfully fussy about the inside" but I thought that might just be a bad idea
 Cactus Test drive - Alanovich
Ah, I see. What's yours is mine, what's mine is mine. I'm familiar with that. Can be dealt with by application of trousers, followed by lawyers.

;-)
 Cactus Test drive - Runfer D'Hills
It would be almost impossible to tell if any new dirt or other detritus had been introduced to the inside of my wife's car. Odd really given that she can spot a stray crumb inside the house at 20 paces and can't bear so much as a speck of dust indoors.

The inside of her car though could be compared to some form of bio-hazard testing experiment.

I do occasionally attempt to clean it out but I'm never quite sure if it's safe.
 Cactus Test drive - Robin O'Reliant
>> It would be almost impossible to tell if any new dirt or other detritus had
>> been introduced to the inside of my wife's car. Odd really given that she can
>> spot a stray crumb inside the house at 20 paces and can't bear so much
>> as a speck of dust indoors.
>>
>> The inside of her car though could be compared to some form of bio-hazard testing
>> experiment.
>>
>> I do occasionally attempt to clean it out but I'm never quite sure if it's
>> safe.
>>
>>
That's strange, isn't it? Women's cars are either spotless on the inside or complete toilets, with nothing half way between. You never see one that's just a bit grubby or not quite A1 clean, only the extremes. And it bears no relation on the particular female's attitude to cleanliness in general.

I helped a girlfriend clean a mini she owned many years back and the reason the floor was full of dog-ends became apparent when I eventually managed to force open the ashtray. There were so many in there they had formed into a solid block that had to be prized out with a screwdriver.
Last edited by: Robin O'Reliant on Wed 3 Feb 16 at 11:32
 Cactus Test drive - Runfer D'Hills
I drove her car on Saturday. It took me a while to realise that it wasn't actually foggy but just that the insides of the windows were bogging. I can't bear a dirty car interior, I'm not precious about the outside but I do like where I sit to be clean.
 Cactus Test drive - bathtub tom
>> I did consider muttering a retort "For a woman who roundly abuses the exterior of
>> her car, you are awfully fussy about the inside" but I thought that might just
>> be a bad idea

On to a loser there. How do you reply to "does my bum look big in this?"
 Cactus Test drive - Boxsterboy
Great review, thanks Z. Ashford dealership? - that will be Bollingmores, then. I used to be a very happy customer of their Woking branch before it closed, when we had the C8.

So far as the 3-pot warble is concerned, I don't tire of it in the VW UP! that we have at work, and as Z says, it only really intrudes when you want it to - i.e. when you give it a good work-out.

Shame about the dog issue - I would try and resolve that if I was otherwise that keen on a car. At the end of the day, it's a dog FFS!
 Cactus Test drive - Manatee
I am not a dog person and can't understand why anybody wants the hassle, but even I can see why anyone who has a dog wants to do their best for it. A car is just a thing.
 Cactus Test drive - Runfer D'Hills
I think he just has a faulty dog. My wee Sealyham can leap in and out of the back of my wife's Qashqai no bother and he's way too short to see what he's jumping into.

Mind you, the boot is generally full of all manner of other stuff too so he quite likes it in there. Burrows under discarded shopping bags etc.
 Cactus Test drive - Zero
>> I think he just has a faulty dog. My wee Sealyham can leap in and
>> out of the back of my wife's Qashqai no bother and he's way too short
>> to see what he's jumping into.

>Mind you, the boot is generally full of all manner of other stuff too so he quite likes it in there. >Burrows under discarded shopping bags etc.

Yes handbag dogs are like that.
 Cactus Test drive - Runfer D'Hills
You wouldn't want him in your handbag Z, he's usually covered in fox poo ! He's a little thug mainly. A friendly little thug though.

Edit- he also weighs 16 kilos...
Last edited by: Runfer D'Hills on Wed 3 Feb 16 at 12:22
 Cactus Test drive - Zero
>> You wouldn't want him in your handbag Z, he's usually covered in fox poo !
>> He's a little thug mainly. A friendly little thug though.
>>
>> Edit- he also weighs 16 kilos...

Not so wee then
 Cactus Test drive - Runfer D'Hills
He genuinely does look like a half sized but white Retriever. Top of his head is about 3" below my knee.
 Cactus Test drive - Clk Sec
Excellent review. 10/10.
 Cactus Test drive - Zero
The dog actually contributes quite a bit to the total use of the car. Having one (a dog that is) forces you to get out and about, because they need the exercise. You and the dog get bored with local walks, so that means a trip out in the car somewhere. Usually somewhere different, And thats a good thing, specially in summer when it involves pub gardens, seaside, fish and chips or cream teas.......


I would guess the dog probably increases the total mileage per year by about 20%. So housing it is a valid consideration
 Cactus Test drive - Bobby
Our dog was a huge factor in my new car - the salesman questioned my priorities when I said I needed a car that could take a 30 kg Labrador and a 6 foot son, in that order!
I reassured him that this order was correct!
 Cactus Test drive - Runfer D'Hills
Sorry if I missed it, but did you buy the Honda in the end Bobby?
 Cactus Test drive - Bobby
Yip, Honda Civic
 Cactus Test drive - Zero

>> I would guess the dog probably increases the total mileage per year by about 20%.
>> So housing it is a valid consideration

Thinking about it, that will increase as we roll into competitive show season. I'll be racking up 400 miles this month alone to train and compete.
 Cactus Test drive - Lygonos
>>How do you reply to "does my bum look big in this?"

"It looks fantastic!" in a Jimmy Savile voice while licking your lips makes sure it never gets asked again.
 Cactus Test drive - Alanovich
My 1.2 petrol SEAT Ibiza was a 3-pot. I used to really like the engine noise and it was fun to drive quickly through the bends, even though it didn't have much actual power to speak of. I like cars like that.

Thinking about it, I quite miss it. At the time I traded it up for a 1.6 petrol Toledo (for the reason that it wasn't easy to get a baby seat in and out of the back of the Ibiza), which was no fun at all on any level, and disastrously thirsty for a car with little power. Not a good combo. I didn't keep it long.
 Cactus Test drive - Alanovich
Got an email from Dacia today offering a similar test drive arrangement.

Duster, Z?
 Cactus Test drive - Zero
>> Got an email from Dacia today offering a similar test drive arrangement.
So did I
>>
>> Duster, Z?
Go Dust off A
 Cactus Test drive - Runfer D'Hills
Duster appeals to me. Can't say why, just does, a bit anyway. A bit like a battered straw hat, I'll almost certainly never buy either but feel slightly comforted by the thought of not totally rejecting the idea.

A Duster, like a battered straw hat, or living on a houseboat, might make me feel like I was on holiday, from life, eschewing the rat race sort of thing.

As you were...carry on...

;-)
 Cactus Test drive - Manatee
Pal of mine, who's had a couple of top-spec Freelanders previously, bought a 4WD Duster about 18m ago (has dogs, lives in Northumberland). He's been very happy with the job it's doing at less than half the price.
 Cactus Test drive - VxFan
>> Got an email from Dacia today offering a similar test drive arrangement. Duster....

# Another one drives a duster.

God, I hate that advert.
 Cactus Test drive - Alanovich
Saw a green Cactus being used as a Driving School car this morning. Which is a sure sign of something. Not sure what, but it's certainly a sure sign of it.

As for Dusters, I feel the same as Runfer about them. I know I usually despise SUVs, but that one, well, you know I think I could. Utterly unpretentious. If there were autos in the UK.........no idea why not, they sell autos in other markets.
 Cactus Test drive - Zero
>> Saw a green Cactus being used as a Driving School car this morning. Which is
>> a sure sign of something. Not sure what, but it's certainly a sure sign of
>> it.

>> As for Dusters, I feel the same as Runfer about them.

Its a Renault. A badly built cheaply built Renault. Don't let anyone* try and tell you they are wonderful, too many tales of woe to say otherwise.


*there are a few that desperately try and justify what they have done, but they go quiet in the end.
Last edited by: Zero on Tue 9 Feb 16 at 09:59
 Cactus Test drive - WillDeBeest
...a few that desperately try and justify what they have done...

I get the same - without having to ask - from those who chose Windows phones.
 Cactus Test drive - Alanovich
Z, I thought that you subscribed to the theory that Renaults were fine, so long as they weren't high end models with complex electronics?

A Duster 1.6 petrol Access would fit that description well.
 Cactus Test drive - Zero
>> Z, I thought that you subscribed to the theory that Renaults were fine, so long
>> as they weren't high end models with complex electronics?
>>
>> A Duster 1.6 petrol Access would fit that description well.

No you need to do some homework on Zedist theories.

Renaults are fine as long as they are small and the name ends in an O And not built in India.

Last edited by: Zero on Tue 9 Feb 16 at 10:15
 Cactus Test drive - Alanovich
I reckon a small Renault estate ending with an O could be a nice little run around for you and Fifi2 then. Would you?
 Cactus Test drive - Zero
>> I reckon a small Renault estate ending with an O could be a nice little
>> run around for you and Fifi2 then. Would you?

www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201512229618402?
 Cactus Test drive - Alanovich
99 please.
 Cactus Test drive - Zero
>> 99 please.
?
 Cactus Test drive - Alanovich
Strawberry sauce on it too please, mister.

They look a bit utilitarian van-like to me. Odd proportions.

Small estates are difficult to pull off, the 206 was quite OK, though 207 was horrid. SEAT Cordoba was good, as was its Polo cousin.
Last edited by: Alanović on Tue 9 Feb 16 at 11:10
 Cactus Test drive - WillDeBeest
Skoda Fabia estate is no oil painting, even by Skoda's 'challenging' standards.
 Cactus Test drive - Clk Sec
>> Renaults are fine as long as they are small and the name ends in an
>> O And not built in India.

That doesn't seem far off the mark. I've known a few Clio owners over the years and they've been happy enough with them, but the colleague who had a new Megane, and another with a new Laguna, were definitely not.
Last edited by: Clk Sec on Tue 9 Feb 16 at 10:34
 Cactus Test drive - commerdriver
>> Renaults are fine as long as they are small and the name ends in a O And not built in India.
>>
never been the same since they stopped having numbers as the model designation :-)
 Cactus Test drive - Focusless
>> As for Dusters ... Utterly unpretentious

...like proper steel wheels, not hiding behind wheel trims.
 Cactus Test drive - Fenlander
Genuinely very interesting review Zero... submit that over the other side and you'd be on the HJ payroll in a moment.

By chance Mrs F has sold her car unexpectedly and was due to buy a mid range used car but we can't be bothered with the hunt for something decent and in any case life/care use may change in 18mths such that any choice made now could be wrong.

So what better than to head over to the ever reserved Ling to snatch a 3+17 lease on a Cactus which are currently very well priced.

It may/may not happen but it sounds a decent "fun" car.

Have you had any second thoughts in the weeks since you tested it?
 Cactus Test drive - Alanovich
>> By chance Mrs F has sold her car unexpectedly

That's a somewhat intriguing line. I have seldom been surprised to have sold a car, as I've always meant to.
 Cactus Test drive - Fenlander
Ok well it's very much in the line of motoring interest so...

An 85yr old relative with an auto car has powered off their drive flat out not stopping until they rode up an established hedge three doors away when the driving wheels lost grip as they left the ground and so the car stopped. Thankfully no-one on the footpath at the time.

The driver decided there and then to give up driving and had the car taken away by a garage for a trade sale.

Their partner of the same age is still a very good driver but refused to drive the auto and to be without a car would be a hardship to them.

Mrs F added the partner to her insurance and gave them her Polo to see how they got on with it... that's worked fine so they will keep the Polo with just the partner driving.

So Mrs F is bumbling about in the 5-series while we decide what to do and I'm borrowing one or other at-home daughter's car as needed.
Last edited by: Fenlander on Tue 23 Feb 16 at 13:13
 Cactus Test drive - Alanovich
Very decent of you, F.

I'm now no longer envious of your BM. I'm envious of Mrs F's BM.

;-)
 Cactus Test drive - Zero

>> Have you had any second thoughts in the weeks since you tested it?

None. Its a genuinely fun car to have on the drive, very easy to live with.
 Cactus Test drive - Fenlander
Hey she's not keeping the 5-series! That's why I want to get her into something else asap.

Thanks Zero. We'd be looking at the 1.6 Hdi which is an engine we've had previously for 3yrs in the C5 so it should be fine in a Cactus. Annoyingly yesterday when she heard her car was going and went onto Ling's to book a deal she'd been looking at for a few days it had gone... amazing bargain of a Cactus at £150/mth on a 3+17. It was the 1.2 you tried which while not our favourite choice we'd have been happy with at that cost.

However all of those went quickly so we have to "upgrade" to the next cheapest option.

The other choice in a value 3+17 deal is a 1.6 diesel Jeep Renegate. Rather a Cactus though.
 Cactus Test drive - Alanovich
I've seen some Cactus leases at about £100 a month on a thread on Pistonheads. Might be worth a bit more homework than just Ling's site.

Today I was emailed an offer on a stock FIAT 500X 1.6 Multijet (same as the Renegade under the skin) at £132 a month inc VAT, 9 + 23. Gateway 2 Lease was the company.
 Cactus Test drive - Fenlander
Thanks for mentioning but I do find Ling's website is the only leasing one that offers real time actual available deals without catches.

Others can be +VAT, business users only, very restricted annual miles, excessive upfront charges artifically making the monthly more appealing, cars not actually in stock and so on. Many also make you fill in a contact form to get full details whereby you get called by a tricky salesman.

With Ling it's as easy as ordering on Ebay where you can do the whole thing via the website often with colour choice made and provisional approval in less than an hour.

She does do what she says on the tin... and you get ghastly free Chinese sweets included free too.
 Cactus Test drive - Alanovich
Fair dos. I've never leased myself. Have considered it during the SAAB gearbox saga, though. It's in the back of my mind as an option if I do have a sudden need to change the car.
 Cactus Test drive - Fenlander
Yep leasing suited our needs for 3yrs ending late 2012. Doesn't suit our main car now but in a situation of uncertainty as with Mrs F it's a known monthly outlay for a relatively short period (18mths will rush by I'm sure) with no unexpected bills so could make sense.

We're busy at the moment and filling in a basic form online then sending Ling £600 to have a new car arrive 10 days later is so easy and stress free... far easier than the usual posturing with a salesman over buying one.
Last edited by: Fenlander on Tue 23 Feb 16 at 14:30
 Cactus Test drive - Alanovich
Does sound tempting. Skoda dealers were doing good leases on the Yeti recently, how does Ling stack up on one of those?
 Cactus Test drive - Fenlander
The Yeti's have fallen in monthly payment loads over the past 3yrs. When the C5 lease was ending we did consider another car from Ling and the Yeti 2.0 diesels were around £280/mth in line with what was the new model Golf at the time.

There's now the same model Yeti on at £205/mth for a 3+23 deal... good value in my opinion. I like the Yeti and could see one here in the right circumstances.
Last edited by: Fenlander on Tue 23 Feb 16 at 14:53
 Cactus Test drive - Alanovich
Yeti lease from £89 a month from a Skoda dealer oop north...

www.simpsonsskoda.co.uk/new-car-offers/yeti-laurin-klement-tsi/
 Cactus Test drive - Fenlander
Ahh you see that link is classic lease dealer weasel words...

Click on the from £89/mth link and immediately it takes you to a £135/mth Yeti deal. OK that sounds cheap but the upfront isn't the usual 3mths but £2090 equating to about 15.5mths.

Then it's only for 8k/annum with surcharge above that. Add in the surcharge if you covered the 10k/annum allowance of the Ling deal then you have effectively another two+ months payment to make at the end.

Total it all up over 2yrs and the Ling deal with its headline figure of £205-25 costs you £5336-50. The Skoda dealers "draw you in figure" of £89/mth ends up building to £5483 over the 2yrs so Ling's still cheaper... and most important far more upfront.

I mailed Ling this morning enquiring if there were any of the £150 Cactus deals left and within 17mins received the answer no... but also a link where I could have clicked through to the next best deal with a car of our chosen colour reserved for us by lunchtime.

She is an eccentric with (to some) a comedy website but she has the lease business absolutely nailed.
 Cactus Test drive - Alanovich
I see where you're coming from.
 Cactus Test drive - Boxsterboy
>> Click on the from £89/mth link and immediately it takes you to a £135/mth Yeti
>> deal. OK that sounds cheap but the upfront isn't the usual 3mths but £2090 equating
>> to about 15.5mths.
>>

It so annoys me that lease terms can't be quoted on the same deposit terms to enable comparison and to avoid misleading 'headline figures' like this. Fair enough having different prices for different mileages, but I think it should be the law that all advertised lease figures are on the basis of a 3 month deposit!!
 Cactus Test drive - Manatee
Those dealer figures looked pretty strong to me. The £135 a month one was the 4x4 L&K spec, and there was a 2WD SEL at the £89 figure - both with higher initial rent but total payments and average yearly cost compared well with the Ling deal.
 Cactus Test drive - Fenlander
>>>average yearly cost compared well with the Ling deal.

Well the simple fact is that the Skoda deal would have been about £150 more than the Ling deal over 2yrs yet the Skoda advertising was trying to apear cheaper.

Skoda were offering a 1.4 petrol L&K whereas Ling's is a 2.0 diesel SE. It would be a personal choice between the two specs so that could take you to one or the other... but Ling was cheaper if only by a whisker.
Last edited by: Fenlander on Tue 23 Feb 16 at 16:11
 Cactus Test drive - Alanovich
For some people a big first payment followed by small monthlies is very attractive. Say your old, trade-in car is worth £2k, well £2k is £2k any way up. The old car goes as a trade in against the lease car, then £89 a month for 2 years for a new car.

Fantastic. £150 more over 2 years? Meh. Saves the hassle of selling the old car privately, many would see that as worth the tiny bit extra. And small monthlies helps cash flow.
 Cactus Test drive - smokie
My thought would be that it makes it more difficult when the time comes for the next change and you are used to lower monthly payments, but you no longer have the lump to put down at the start so the payments jump up dramatically - which is OK so long as you can afford it. and are ready for it.
 Cactus Test drive - Fenlander
Yep as Smokie says that only works for the first lease. Anyway my whole point... only point really... was the real figure that matters is the total over the whole period to compare like for like.

I see ... as with our C5 lease those few years ago... that a carefully chosen lease deal will only cost what a new car may depreciate over the period so if you are looking at new with a planned swap in 3yrs or sooner it's a credible option.
 Cactus Test drive - Alanovich
>> Yep as Smokie says that only works for the first lease. Anyway my whole point...
>> only point really... was the real figure that matters is the total over the whole
>> period to compare like for like.

Yes, F, for you it is, but alls I'm saying is that for others maybe the cash flow benefits of lower monthlies is more important. And this may change depending on an individual's circumstances. It's good that different deal structures are available for different people's different circumstances.
 Cactus Test drive - WillDeBeest
What happens to a lease car if it's written off during the lease? I abandoned my leasing investigation last year without getting an answer to this, but suppose I'm on one of Vić's high-deposit, low-monthly plans - say 9+23 at £250 a month - and two months in, the car gets mashed by an HGV because I was CCing at 54.

I imagine the lease terminates and my insurance covers the value of the car to the lease company, but I've made 11 months' payments (£2,750) for two months of use, and because I have no capital interest in the car - I own none of it - that's just too bad. Is that an insurable risk?
Last edited by: WillDeBeest on Wed 24 Feb 16 at 11:07
 Cactus Test drive - Fenlander
As you say Alanovic choice is good. I guess I've always been highly resistant to the age old sales trick of trying to focus on an apparently affordable monthly payment and sweep the total under the carpet.

WDB well most things are insurable and I guess there may be some GAP type thing to cover this?? However we just make a personal judgement based on financial exposure vs risk and self insure.
 Cactus Test drive - Runfer D'Hills
Or, you could maybe just get a tide over car.

Nice old Alfa perhaps?

;-)
 Cactus Test drive - Fenlander
Ha she thought of that... I veto'd it saying we got really lucky with the last one and that may not be repeated.
 Cactus Test drive - CGNorwich
>> Or, you could maybe just get a tide over car.


This sort of thing?

i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/04/27/article-1269231-04FBD7040000044D-267_634x363.jpg
 Cactus Test drive - Fenlander
Manage to avoid that sort of problem... wheels on the boat you see... best of both worlds.
 Cactus Test drive - sherlock47
C3 Picasso is showing a 37% discount on the drivethedeal site at the moment. So some cheap lease deals should be around.

In France the Megane is being sold at 40% off list as new model due shortly and there are apparently fields of them so have a look in the UK.

I am driving a hire Captur at the moment - not as much fun to drive as the Cactus.
 Cactus Test drive - Dutchie
Nice review good read.Some good deals from Citroen.

I am looking forward to the new Citroen Picasso Tourer MPV.Coming out in March,sliding doors big boot and plenty of space.

 Cactus Test drive - legacylad
Plenty of Cactii here in Espana. Almost as many as in Phoenix. But seriously, a heck of a lot of new Dacias around also.
 Cactus Test drive - Dutchie
Not surprised the Dacia is selling.Good price and rugged car.
 Cactus Test drive - Fenlander
>>>I love this car, I love its looks, its style, its growly hustle, the genius of the interior, the clever but not gratuitous use of tech that works combined with simplicity, its comfort...

Well Zero your report has hit the mark... Mrs F twitching slightly above the 50-50 mark in shall I shan't I stakes!
 Cactus Test drive - Zero
She has no idea where I live, so its your butt that gets kicked if she hates it.
 Cactus Test drive - Fenlander
You're right actually... despite admiring the funky look of the Cactus she'd settled to another used mid-range car and I had to "sell" the Cactus idea quite heavily before your report clinched it.

You been out for the Scotsman today... they were all lined up at Abbots Ripton bridge this morning.
 Cactus Test drive - Runfer D'Hills
Can you get The Scotsman in Surrey? Didn't think he'd be the sort to read such a fine publication!

;-)
 Cactus Test drive - Zero
>> Can you get The Scotsman in Surrey?
>> ;-)

I'd have to travel to South Scotland (aka Corby)
 Cactus Test drive - Zero

>> You been out for the Scotsman today... they were all lined up at Abbots Ripton
>> bridge this morning.

As it happens

Holme Green Crossing, Biggleswade

www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFm40HCGdTQ

It all came to a crashing halt at St Neots when the crowds spilled onto the track.
 Cactus Test drive - commerdriver
great video Z, good day for filming I guess, apart from the crowds
 Cactus Test drive - Fenlander
One of the first privateers to upload from today's run then! Those blooming copters!

 Cactus Test drive - neiltoo
Very nice!

Looks wonderful now, in green livery.

8o)
 Cactus Test drive - Boxsterboy
>> Very nice!
>>
>> Looks wonderful now, in green livery.
>>

Sorry, is that the Cactus or the Scotsman you're referring to?!?
 Cactus Test drive - No FM2R
Or Zero?
 Cactus Test drive - Alanovich
>> Or Zero?
>>

I was hoping he'd get the Cactus and change his forum name to Prickles.
 Cactus Test drive - Fenlander
Well if not Zero going with the Cactus due to insufficient muddy dog space our more compact dog has allowed Mrs F to place an order for the 1.6Hdi Flair... in Artic Steel which is more like a stainless steel than the lighter silver of many cars and looks great with the black bump panels.

I know some may think I go on about Ling but...

Did the initial order online at 2222hrs last night. By 0742hrs first confirmation message received from one of her people that the process was in motion. Then mesage of thanks from Ling at 0858hrs. By 1223hrs colour chosen and order confirmed.

During the process several small queries of mine were answered in between 1.5 and 3.5mins.

And at no time any need to speak to anyone trying to upsell or divert to a "better" deal to suit their own stock/profit.

It's a very effective operation.
 Cactus Test drive - Alanovich
3+17, £202 per month?
 Cactus Test drive - Fenlander
No but close 3+17 for £191/mth
 Cactus Test drive - Alanovich
Prices must have changed overnight, the website shows the only vehicle available at £191 is a Feel, not a Flair. The cheapest Flair diesel is £202.
 Cactus Test drive - Alanovich
Oo, she's got Nissan Pulsars at 129 a month. That's a good price.

I find her website frustrating because, if you follow the Cheap Deals link, you don't get the cheapest deals, just the ones she evidently wants to push. It doesn't list the Pulsar for example.

And I can't see a way of choosing a car by type (e.g. Estate, Auto, 150bhp+) rather than model. Which isn't good for comparing deals in a particular sector of cars, or finding the best deal by type rather than manufacturer.
 Cactus Test drive - Fenlander
Sorry yes it's the Feel not Flair... mixed up with the daft names.

Wanted the Feel (middle spec) as it comes with 16" alloys which should be sofer ride than the 17" of the flair and it shouldn't have auto lights. I'd noticed in Zero's Flair test he commented how the auto lights could come on early and dim the touchscreen control tablet making it hard to read... this was an issue with the C5 and it's integrated satnav screen I remember.

Oh and the Flair has dark rear tints which we don't like on smaller cars... if at all.
Last edited by: Fenlander on Thu 25 Feb 16 at 15:24
 Cactus Test drive - Alanovich
Righto. Hope you like it when it arrives. And if the missus doesn't, hope she can programme a satnav to go to Woking.

Did you consider the Pulsar at 129 notes a month? That sounds like Ling's best bargain at the moment. I'm shuffling in my seat a bit about it, wondering if I should have done that instead of the SAAB gearbox.
 Cactus Test drive - Pat
No Alanovic, you should have had the V70 then you could have made Fenlander jealous who wanted it really:)

Pat
 Cactus Test drive - WillDeBeest
'S gotta cambelt though, innit? (Thought I'd save our old class warrior the trouble.) He's (wrongly in this case) afraid of those.
 Cactus Test drive - Pat
It was replaced 25,000 miles ago!

Pat
 Cactus Test drive - Alanovich
I would not be afeared of a cambelt in a car with a 100k change interval, which has recently had a new cambelt fitted. Even I'm not that much of a cambelt warrior.

When was the cambelt done, Pat? Date and mileage please! No advert for a car with such a poorly designed engine element should be published without this information. ;-)
 Cactus Test drive - Pat
90 something thousand miles, just before we bought it.

Pat
 Cactus Test drive - Alanovich
I could probably live with that, on provision of satisfactory receipts for the work, from a reputable garage.

I think.
 Cactus Test drive - Fenlander
>>> Did you consider the Pulsar at 129 notes a month?

Ahh now Ling's site is very upfront with no catches but from the home page to do have to remember the choice of business or personal tabs taking you the with/without VAT pages. That £129 is without.... £154 with I'm afraid.

If you want the ultimate deal from Ling it's best to look a couple of times a day every day for a few weeks and suddenly an amazing deal will pop up which might last a day or two. Such was the Cactus priced at £150 which we just missed by 24hrs.

It's a little picky to want her to drill down to the exact car for you with multiple option boxes to tick... but Autotrader manage it... so I'm going to ask her why not... then run and hide. I'll report the answer.
 Cactus Test drive - Alanovich
Oh yeah. Boo. Still 154 is OK. I think I'd rather have the Pulsar at 154 than the Cactus at 191. But ceteris paribus I'd rather the Cactus.
 Cactus Test drive - Zero
>> Sorry yes it's the Feel not Flair... mixed up with the daft names.
>>
>> Wanted the Feel (middle spec) as it comes with 16" alloys which should be sofer
>> ride than the 17" of the flair

Wasn't till i got home that i noticed it had rubber bands rather than tyres. They look good and the ride is so sorted I hadn't noticed.


>>and it shouldn't have auto lights. I'd noticed
>> in Zero's Flair test he commented how the auto lights could come on early and
>> dim the touchscreen control tablet making it hard to read... this was an issue with
>> the C5 and it's integrated satnav screen I remember.

Turned the feature off, and it stayed off. No problem.

>> Oh and the Flair has dark rear tints which we don't like on smaller cars...
>> if at all.
Cant say i noticed any problem with the tints, think style wise on the dark coloured cars its a must have, whereas on the light coloured cars its a no no. Mine was black so it looked good.
 Cactus Test drive - Fenlander
Ahh OK thanks... still happy with the model choice though.

Re the tints... spot on regading paint colour. My C5 Tourer had them and with modest tint strength on a near black dark met grey it looked fine. A local shop owner had them on a white one and it looked... well not my idea of good.
 Cactus Test drive - WillDeBeest
A local shop owner...

Always the style leaders.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7661624.stm
 Cactus Test drive - Boxsterboy
>> Well if not Zero going with the Cactus due to insufficient muddy dog space our
>> more compact dog has allowed Mrs F to place an order for the 1.6Hdi Flair...
>> in Artic Steel which is more like a stainless steel than the lighter silver of
>> many cars and looks great with the black bump panels.
>>

Excellent, Sir. We look forward to more details in due course once you have taken delivery.
 Cactus Test drive - Zero
>> >> Or Zero?
>> >>
>>
>> I was hoping he'd get the Cactus and change his forum name to Prickles.

Spike
 Cactus Test drive - sooty123
I saw one today and the first time I really took notice of one. Quite a nice look front and rear, it's nicely proportioned. The shark like lights at the front really work, it's quite obviously a Citroen. Not too sure about the rubber mattresses on the side though.
 Cactus Test drive - Fenlander
>>> Not too sure about the rubber mattresses on the side though.

Hopefully all the old codgers throwing their doors open in Tesco car park will have them bounce back on their fingers.

When I had the new C5 in 2009 the speed it gained door dings was depressing.
Last edited by: Fenlander on Thu 25 Feb 16 at 15:00
 Cactus Test drive - helicopter
Prickles ......errr

I didn't realise that Zero was called Les....
 Cactus Test drive - Zero
I think les ended up as road kill.
 Cactus Test drive - Fenlander
Alanovic.

Not sure if this link will take you straight there but you can refine by fuel type, man/auto, lease length, body type, make and then sort the results by price, CO output or MPG.

www.lingscars.com/price_list.php?pcp=1#models
Last edited by: VxFan on Fri 11 Aug 17 at 12:54
 Cactus Test drive - Fenlander
Well some 20 days after ordering online the Cactus has arrived. A 1.6HDi Feel manual g.box in Artic Steel.

During the wait period we were somewhat worried seeing a few we didn't really like... a boring red, white that made the bump panels look too pronounced, met purple with brown panels was odd, bright blue that looked great ... for about 2 seconds. Then one that looked just right... thankfully the silver with black bump panels we'd ordered.

Had a good chance to prod about and a brief trip to town and around the lanes.

For its class of car I really like the seat comfort, exceptionally easy seat entry/exit, feeling of interior space front and rear, tech bits inc smooth phone intergration plus decent DAB radio with useful media options, large central touchscreen, muted high geared diesel, fairly on rails cornering, light steering, genuinely unusual interior design details.

Negatives for us are insignificant and all known at time of ordering... only one cup holder almost out of reach of driver, no passenger sun visor mirror, no rear seat armrest, no split fold on rear seats.

Fuel consumption with under 500mls on the clock in less than ideal conditions... and on the screen not a proper test... shows 62mpg which is a good start.

Overall it has a real feel of something fun and interesting.... a feel I think got Zero too. Others may not agree and that's OK.

I think it would have to turn up something very unexpected in more extended use for us to dislike it.
Last edited by: Fenlander on Wed 16 Mar 16 at 23:15
 Cactus Test drive - Zero
Phew, would have been a real bummer if you had said it was a pos!
 Cactus Test drive - Fenlander
Yes indeed... all's well that ends well... but there was a twist... see stop/start thread.
 Cactus Test drive - Auntie Lockbrakes
I like the sound of Ling's deals, but Boy I have never seen such a messy, ugly website!! Actually put me right off.
 Cactus Test drive - Zero
Stop it, Every time someone complains about it, she makes it worse.
 Cactus Test drive - Fenlander
>>>t Boy I have never seen such a messy, ugly website!!

Yes it is interesting... she's proud of that. And by grumbling you have brought a thread to the top with her name mentioned in it... and that's a good part of the reason she has a site like that.

More importantly from a customer perspective it is about the only lease website where the deals have accurate clearly stated pricing with real time availability shown.
 Cactus Test drive - Fenlander
Just an update 18mths on. The Cactus 1.6hdi has proved a brilliant second car for us. On the roads we use it on a decent ride and composed handling... just enough power... fuel consumption nearer mid 50s than the usual daft claims... very easy access into the wide comfortable seats... great shape boot area for a good week's shop.

The slightly wacky style inside and out has always amused and it's been totally fault free.

Just one service in the lease period... a stupid £200+ for basically an oil change. It's used a full 10l of Adblue which I bought for about £11 and topped up myself.
 Cactus Test drive - Dog
>>a stupid £200+ for basically an oil change

I would have done it for £150

:o}
 Cactus Test drive - Fenlander
I know... or I could have for £20 but it's a Citroen lease car and they want dealer servicing. Actually I miscalculated on that as I thought they were intervals nearer 20k mls or 2yrs so I'd not planned on a service in the 18mth/18k lease period.
 Cactus Test drive - R.P.
Dog, At least you "would have" instead of "would of" which increasingly seems to be taking over the world.
 Cactus Test drive - Dog
I'll have you know I'm not from Rhyl, Rob.!

8-)
 Cactus Test drive - Fenlander
Or "off of Rhyl" as they are quite likely to say these days.
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