Motoring Discussion > Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? Green Issues
Thread Author: movilogo Replies: 74

 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - movilogo
... while diesel is clearly marked as diesel.
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Old Navy
It's been called unleaded ever since the lead content became illegal and was removed. Lead replacement additives are available for cars designed to run on leaded petrol and have soft valve seats which would be eroded by unleaded fuel. Leaded fuel was withdrawn in 2000. Unleaded was introduced in 1988.
Last edited by: Old Navy on Mon 1 Feb 16 at 12:15
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Ian (Cape Town)
what do they call it now in UK - the 'old stuff'?
Known as LRP on our local pumps.
Much loved amongst on E30 BMW owners
Last edited by: Ian (Cape Town) on Mon 1 Feb 16 at 12:18
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Old Navy
>> what do they call it now in UK - the 'old stuff'?
>> Known as LRP on our local pumps.
>> Much loved amongst on E30 BMW owners
>>

Leaded petrol is not available in the UK, If you need leaded you use this :-

www.amazon.co.uk/Redex-RDX18-250ml-Lead-Replacement-Additive/dp/B001QLVAT2

Others are available.
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Ian (Cape Town)
Thanks.
Because we don't have emissions control here, there's a lot of old vehicles which still run on LRP, which has some other anti-knock agent in it.
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - commerdriver
>> Leaded petrol is not available in the UK,

There are a small number of outlets who still supply 4 star leaded petrol, primarily aimed at classic vehicles, and it is not cheap.
We have one of them in Marlow.

 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Old Navy
>> >> Leaded petrol is not available in the UK,
>>
>> There are a small number of outlets who still supply 4 star leaded petrol, primarily
>> aimed at classic vehicles, and it is not cheap.
>> We have one of them in Marlow.
>>

I edited out "generally" before I posted that. :-)
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - commerdriver
>> I edited out "generally" before I posted that. :-)
>>
Just me being pedantic :-)
It's not a lot of use having a tiny number of outlets supplying 4* anyway since the advice is not to mix different additives, so although I could fill he Commer with 4* the chances of me being anywhere near another source of 4* when I need a refill are negligible.
It's getting hardened valves in the summer anyway.
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - bathtub tom
>>It's getting hardened valves in the summer anyway.

The pedant in me hopes you mean hardened valve seats. ;>)
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Old Navy
>> >>It's getting hardened valves in the summer anyway.
>>
>> The pedant in me hopes you mean hardened valve seats. ;>)
>>

Beat me to it, I was out for pedantic revenge. :-)
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - PeterS
That is a very good question!! What else to we name after what's it's not got in it?
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - WillDeBeest
Alcohol-free 'beer', fat-free yogurt, gluten-free just about everything it seems. Plenty, in other words.
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - PeterS
Well yes, but they are invariable followed by the type of product. Petrol is just called unleaded... Which takes longer to say and type than petrol!!

Am I the only one who still says they're going to the petrol station, when I'm actually getting diesel...?
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Old Navy
No, and I haven't owned a petrol car for 30 odd years. The first one was a VW Jetta TD, all of 75 bhp.
Last edited by: Old Navy on Mon 1 Feb 16 at 12:36
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - WillDeBeest
I used to, but I'm wary of the subliminal message 'petrol' lodging in Mrs Beest's mind. We've been all-diesel for eight years without mishap, but I carefully say, "I need to fill up the car," or "The car needs fuel," to keep the bad ideas away.
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Alanovich
We currently have one petrol, one dag dag, and one female with a driving licence in the household. Imagine my joy every time I know one of the cars is being refuelled without my supervision........... So far so good, though.
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Manatee
As you are all-diesel, "the car needs diesel" would be better, wouldn't it?

We have one of each in daily use. I keep both fuelled. I now have the habit of actually looking at and matching the fuel type label on the inside of the flap, and on the pump handle!

Anybody who thinks you have to be an idiot to put the wrong stuff in is wrong. I'm sure there are one or two on here who have gone quiet after making such a comment!

And yes I still call them petrol stations (:
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Old Navy
I always check the pump display to see what the pump thinks it is dispensing. My big test will be my next car, the first petrol for too many years.
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Slidingpillar
Anybody who thinks you have to be an idiot to put the wrong stuff in is wrong. I'm sure there are one or two on here who have gone quiet after making such a comment!

To this day I don't understand why I did it and remain convinced I had put petrol in my can. However, when I filled up the three wheeler at home, the contents of the can were diesel fuel. As a bit of time elapsed between the filling and trying to start - it wouldn't and I missed the fact the starter was misaligned and ended up wrecking the plate (part of the external flywheel). Cost me £80 for a new one and roughly half a day of my labour to pull the engine, swap the bits, drain the tank and put it all back together.

In case anyone wonders, 'why the can' the local petrol station can be a bit of a bun fight and working out the quantities and dosing with two additives is best done at home.
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Runfer D'Hills
>>who thinks you have to be an idiot to put the wrong stuff in is wrong. I'm sure there are one or two on here...


No, you still have to be an idiot. Unless you're in the habit of pouring inadvertent orange juice on your cornflakes!

The pumps are clearly marked, what's so hard? We have a diesel and a petrol car, it's really not difficult to remember which one takes which type of fuel.

I publicly declare that if I ever even come close to doing such a stupid thing, I will admit it and if I were to actually get as far as to squeeze the wrong pump trigger I will not only admit it but dance naked with a petrol station flower in my teeth round Nelson's column.

;-))
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Ted

I've put fresh orange on my corn flakes as well. I've also made a cup of instant coffee in a cup which already had a teabag in it...not nice at all.

I fuel up both our cars, petrol and derv. I put 30 quids worth of super unleaded on top of 30 quids worth of derv one day...I blame the pump having a black handle. I got home ok..only 300 yards at most and spent the afternoon draining it down. We were using the car for a trip to Appleby the following day..hence the fill up.

Ruddy hard to get it out, too much gubbins under the bonnet. I got the back end up as high as I could and wriggled a 10mm fuel pipe in the filler until I could get resistance blowing through it. It was too short to make a vacuum so I found a length of copper central heating pipe and added that at the sucky end. It did get most of it out and I went and filled up again.

Expensive mistake !
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Runfer D'Hills
Exactly. And so potentially expensive that I'm astonished at those who manage to do it.
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Zero
Done it once, and nearly done it twice.
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - No FM2R
>>No, you still have to be an idiot.

There are two mistakes;

Putting diesel in a petrol car by mistake because you mixed up the fuels. This is clearly dumb and is akin to orange juice on your corn flakes and not something I can imagine myself doing.

Putting petrol in a diesel car on purpose because you wrongly thought you were driving a petrol car.

This is more akin to putting milk on your toast and marmite because you thought you were eating cereal. This I have done.
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - commerdriver
>> >>No, you still have to be an idiot.
>>
>> There are two mistakes;
>>
>> Putting diesel in a petrol car by mistake because you mixed up the fuels. This
>> is clearly dumb and is akin to orange juice on your corn flakes and not
>> something I can imagine myself doing.
>>
>> Putting petrol in a diesel car on purpose because you wrongly thought you were driving
>> a petrol car.
>>
>> This is more akin to putting milk on your toast and marmite because you thought
>> you were eating cereal. This I have done.
>>

Diesel in a petrol car is difficult because the filler pipe in most halfway modern cars is too narrow to take UK diesel nozzles, not 1970s campervans though.

Petrol in a diesel is possible when you get distracted or have something on your mind so the refuelling is on autopilot. I have done this but, typical company car driver, it was only a few litres, fill it the rest of the way with Diesel and hope for the best. I got away with it.
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Alanovich
>> the refuelling is on autopilot.

That's the bit I don't get. I'm never on autopilot when refuelling is the task at hand. I just can't imagine ever getting it wrong. I make a double check of the car I'm driving and the hose I'm holding, and cross check the display on the pump screen before squeezing the trigger. Every time.
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - commerdriver
>> >> the refuelling is on autopilot.
>>
>> That's the bit I don't get. I'm never on autopilot when refuelling

Careful Al, never is an awfully difficult word sometimes :-)
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Alanovich
Yeah, tempting fate, I know.

:-)
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - PeterS
I *am* often on autopilot at the petrol station, but despite almost 20 years of having petrol/diesel cars at the same time, and being a regular hirer or cars for work and holiday, I haven't managed to mis fuel any...yet. I'm sure the time will come - just need to switch to all electric ASAP. Can't see how I could mess that up ;)
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Old Navy
>> That's the bit I don't get. I'm never on autopilot when refuelling is the task at hand.

They are probably ly the same people who are superb at multitasking and can drive a car while on the phone, texting, setting up their satnav, selecting what music to listen to, and wonder why they hit something.
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - smokie
You make it sound like multitasking is impossible. Surely everyone does it all the time?

How many people doing any or all of those things actually do hit something? And how many people hit something who aren't doing any of those things? I accept that the more things you are doing at once, the risk of distraction becomes higher but I think many people are smarter than you give them credit for and would be quite capable 95% of the time carrying out a phone call while driving without increased risk. The dangerous people are those who aren't good drivers and cannot anticipate or who normally drive with aggression.
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Old Navy
>> I think many people are smarter than you give them credit for

Do me a favour, have you seen the standard of some driving, assume that everyone is an idiot is the best policy on the road.
Last edited by: Old Navy on Tue 2 Feb 16 at 11:18
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Old Navy
>> >> I think many people are smarter than you give them credit for
>>
>> Do me a favour, have you seen the standard of some driving, assume that everyone
>> is an idiot is the best policy on the road.
>>

Example - Early on Saturday evening driving home in poor weather the driver in front of me lost it on a small roundabout, spun through 180, and hit the centre kerb hard, definite wheel damage probably suspension too. A few miles back we had passed a 4x4 in a ditch facing the wrong way having hit the verge on both sides on a straight road, I suspect it aquaplaned off.
Last edited by: Old Navy on Tue 2 Feb 16 at 11:44
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - smokie
Yeah - unless you are saying they were on the phone, I think that supports my point. Which was that you don't need to be on the phone to have an accident, and many people would be able to be on the phone without having one.

I am not advocating phone use while driving but it isn't the most dangerous thing out there, in my opinion. However it is one of those things which we can readily see and therefore label the drivers as idiots.
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - CGNorwich
Probably some of the the most dangerous drivers on the road are those who overate their own abilities and see every one else as idiots or incompetents. Best I find to concentrate on your own imperfections rather than those of others.
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Old Navy
>> Probably some of the the most dangerous drivers on the road are those who overate
>> their own abilities and see every one else as idiots or incompetents. Best I find
>> to concentrate on your own imperfections rather than those of others.
>>

I would say the dangerous ones are the distracted, unaware of the road surface conditions and overate their own driving capabilities because they are overconfident.
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Runfer D'Hills
Some people just never quite grasp the difference between operating a vehicle and driving one. You can do the former legally but to be properly safe you need to be doing the latter.
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Zero
>> Some people just never quite grasp the difference between operating a vehicle and driving one.
>> You can do the former legally but to be properly safe you need to be
>> doing the latter.

i guess that pomposity comes to all of us sooner later
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Old Navy
>> i guess that pomposity comes to all of us sooner later
>>

Don't worry Z, with a Lancer and contemplating a Cactus no one will call you pompus.
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Runfer D'Hills
Sadly, I don't think it does. Plenty I've encountered who hold a driving licence but who clearly have only the most basic understanding of the concept of driving.

 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - WillDeBeest
How many people doing any or all of those things actually do hit something?

That's hardly the point. How many people with chronically underinflated tyres end up shredding one on the M6? Not all, or even most, but a significantly higher proportion than of those who take proper care.
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Old Navy
Also there are a lot of unlicenced drivers or foreigin drivers who have little experience of driving in high density traffic and have little or no knowledge of our driving laws and rules. Add distraction to that and it is a problem.
Last edited by: Old Navy on Tue 2 Feb 16 at 11:30
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Runfer D'Hills
Never ( even nearly ) misfueled and I've never crashed.

I'm not Superman, I'm not smug either, I'm just careful.

Driving is not hard, but it pays to give it due attention. The consequences of not doing so can often be expensive and/or painful.
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - CGNorwich
"I'm never on autopilot when refuelling is the task at hand. I just can't imagine ever getting it wrong. I make a double check of the car I'm driving and the hose I'm holding, and cross check the display on the pump screen before squeezing the trigger. Every time."

Yes I do that too. At least I thought I did until the one time I had something rather more involving and distracting than fuelling the car on my mind. Same garage, same pump same car I normally used - A half a tank of petrol in my diesel and a £400 bill to get it sorted.

I would have sworn I had checked but the evidence I hadn't was in my hand

Pride cometh before a fall!


Last edited by: CGNorwich on Tue 2 Feb 16 at 11:08
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Alanovich
>> >> I had something rather more involving and distracting than fuelling the car on my mind.

Was it wearing a short skirt?
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - WillDeBeest
Probably. That wind-up-the-kex sensation is disconcerting till you get used to it.
};---)
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Alanovich
Oh I know, I have two kilts. One gets worn to Murrayfield every second February.
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - CGNorwich
"Was it wearing a short skirt?"

No it was a friend lying seriously ill in hospital. I was on my way to visit him.
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Alanovich
I imagine that may well do it. My empathies.
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Bromptonaut
>> Yes I do that too. At least I thought I did until the one time
>> I had something rather more involving and distracting than fuelling the car on my mind.

That was my near downfall too. Sunday eve drive home from visiting friends near Wrexham. MrsB was driving but I got out to use the pumps when we needed diesel.

Wednesday that week was our annual conference at work. I was preoccupied with all the stuff around delegate lists, content, venue liaison etc that still needed doing. Had the bright green and well branded unleaded pistol in the filler nozzle - only the pre-squeeze check stopped me.
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Cliff Pope

>>
>> I publicly declare that if I ever even come close to doing such a stupid
>> thing,
>>

I've done it once, only a half a gallon of diesel before I realised.
Some joker had swapped the handles over into the wrong pump slots.

That was in the early days before the hoses got properly colour-coded, and some were universal black for everything.
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Dog
>> I've done it once, only a half a gallon of diesel before I realised

I put gallons of the smelly oily stuff in my 320i once. I managed to start the thing after woods, but it wouldn't tickover, so I ran it up and down the A thirty 'til most of it burnt orf.

The car appeared to run much sweeter after that oil bath.
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - commerdriver
interesting, I have always been told it screws up the catalyser
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Manatee
>> I've done it once, only a half a gallon of diesel before I realised.
>> Some joker had swapped the handles over into the wrong pump slots.
>>

I had always assumed that wouldn't work, although I do check for it (as I check everything mow that the 'orse has bolted). The pump starts when the handle is removed, but I always assumed it would pump fuel to the pipe related to that 'holster' which in the case of a crossover is not the one in the tank, and in any case has its trigger off.
Last edited by: Manatee on Tue 2 Feb 16 at 13:37
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Cliff Pope

>>
>> I had always assumed that wouldn't work, although I do check for it (as I
>> check everything mow that the 'orse has bolted). The pump starts when the handle is
>> removed, but I always assumed it would pump fuel to the pipe related to that
>> 'holster' which in the case of a crossover is not the one in the tank,
>> and in any case has its trigger off.
>>

Yes, you may be right on reflection. But I thought that's what did happen. Perhaps the previous user's gun wasn't fully back in the holster, so I got a bit of his fuel before the operator stopped it? There was some confusion at the desk as to which bill I was trying to pay.

Maybe I was just making mental excuses because I couldn't come to terms with my own stupidity.
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Zero
>> That is a very good question!! What else to we name after what's it's not
>> got in it?

"I cant believe its not butter"
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - bathtub tom
In the days before leaded petrol were valve seats harder, or did motorists have to put up with valve seat regression?
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Zero
>> In the days before leaded petrol were valve seats harder, or did motorists have to
>> put up with valve seat regression?
>>

No but they had to put up with valve seat regrinding every 25k miles.
Last edited by: Zero on Mon 1 Feb 16 at 14:43
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Slidingpillar
No but they had to put up with valve seat regrinding every 25k miles.

Very often much less. Engine total life wasn't much more, the Ford sidevalve unit that Morgan fitted pre-war had a design life of only 30k miles.
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Dave_
>> the Ford sidevalve unit that Morgan fitted pre-war had a design life of only 30k miles.

Sounds like the A-series in my first car.
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Shiny
Do other countries do this? The French still say sans plomb, the Germans just seem to say benzin.
Last edited by: Shiny on Mon 1 Feb 16 at 21:36
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Dog
My petrol station calls it Gasolina:

www.google.co.uk/maps/@28.0531099,-16.7151324,3a,18.2y,192.41h,108.15t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgSGgVT3lcLJbNBGslUhqeA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - WillDeBeest
Is it still Bleifrei in Germany?

Oh, and 'decaff'.
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Dog
>>Is it still Bleifrei in Germany?

Dunno, but I well-remember seeing zimmer frei everywhere when I was there and wondering what on earth it could mean.

:}
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Stuartli
Lead was a lubricant for the valve seats as well as raise the octane level and prevent knocking, but I recall when unleaded fuel was first launched that certain petrol engines were damaged/ruined as a result (Vauxhall?)

It led to a large number of compensation claims at the time for replacement engines.
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Bromptonaut
>> It led to a large number of compensation claims at the time for replacement engines.

IIRC it was not 'plain vanilla' unleaded but a premium version. Same market niche as current NIto V-Power or whatever it's called.
Last edited by: Bromptonaut on Tue 2 Feb 16 at 09:49
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Skip
>> IIRC it was not 'plain vanilla' unleaded but a premium version. Same market niche as
>> current NIto V-Power or whatever it's called.
>>

IIRC it was called Formula Shell and I am pretty certain that it was a leaded fuel. A friends nearly new Astra (the limited edition one with white bodywork and a grey/yellow interior - well it was the 80's) dropped a valve after running on it for a few months. It only affected Vauxhalls for some reason !
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Bromptonaut
>> IIRC it was called Formula Shell and I am pretty certain that it was a
>> leaded fuel.

On reflection I think you're right. It was introduced around 1985/6 - remember where I lived when the advertising blitz hit. That would be too early for unleaded which didn't hit the mainstream until a couple of years later.
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Dog
>>On reflection I think you're right

On reflection I know he's right, as I was in the car tuning game back then. Burnt out valves/seats brought me in a lorra work, for which I was truly thankful for.
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Cliff Pope

>> Oh, and 'decaff'.
>>

That's a good one, because it can only mean decaffeinated coffee whatever the circumstances.

But "unleaded" doesn't just mean petrol. There's a brand of humour that uses ithe expression "leaded" to distinguish real milk from the various watery skimmed varieties.

A bit like "cooking petrol" to mean regular rather than 4*, or "steam" to mean a wireless.
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Runfer D'Hills
We drink unleaded Coke, but some people prefer full fat.

Well, you know what I mean...
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Alanovich
There's decaff tea, also.
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Cliff Pope
>> In the days before leaded petrol were valve seats harder, or did motorists have to
>> put up with valve seat regression?
>>

Leaded petrol started in the 1920s.
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - commerdriver
>> >> That is a very good question!! What else to we name after what's it's
>> not got in it?
>>

all sorts of sugar free, gluten free, fat free etc foodstuffs
 Why petrol is called unleaded in pumps? - Stuartli
Seems some of the problem with Formula Shell, then a new product, was that the delivery tanker drivers sometimes put too much of a new additive into the petrol station fuel tanks, especially as some of the fuel didn't come from Shell's own refineries. Also see:

www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=881609

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