Motoring Discussion > Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !!	Miscellaneous
Thread Author: R.P.	Replies: 42

Sat 14 Nov 15 11:46   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - R.P.

Parked in the lane outside our house this morning - a freshly minted Fiesta on a 65 plate. Nice alloys showed off the rear drum brakes a treat. Shocked that these were still being fitted in this day and age. Surely manufacturing economies of scale must make the savings on a car to be low end pounds. Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 14 Nov 15 11:50   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - Runfer D'Hills

Gosh yes I know. Only yesterday I saw a new car with cloth seats and what's more there was no sign of a built in sat nav or alloy wheels. I was quite shocked. ;-) Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 14 Nov 15 11:50   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - madf

Toyota Yaris is the same.. Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 14 Nov 15 11:51   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - Harleyman

Nothing wrong with drum brakes on the rear. For one thing it pretty much guarantees an efficient handbrake. Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 14 Nov 15 11:53   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - Old Navy

My Yaris has rear drum brakes, it makes no difference to the stopping ability of a light car. Rear discs on most cars are for showroom attraction and make little difference to the brakes, they don't sieze and corrode from lack of use either. Reply to this message | Report message       1

Sat 14 Nov 15 12:02   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - Slidingpillar

Indeed to the above, a small car with discs on the back is asking for trouble as the back brakes don't do much and corrosion will set in. Hard driven sports car, or big car - yup, discs are ok. Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 14 Nov 15 12:05   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - ....

Could be why Ford only equip the Fiesta ST with discs all around. Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 14 Nov 15 12:48   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - Bromptonaut

Yup, my Berlingo has rear drums. Stops perfectly well. The newer one though has discs. Older hydro-pneumatic Citroens with discs all round and a parking brake on the front wheels were prone to seizing at the rear if rarely driven fully loaded. Bit of ballast in the boot would keep the proportioning valve slightly open and ensure regular pad/disc contact. Older Astras OTOH were prone to seize rear drums if parked up after a soaking. Last edited by: Bromptonaut on Sat 14 Nov 15 at 12:49 Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 14 Nov 15 13:05   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - henry k

>> Nice alloys showed off the rear drum brakes a treat. >> That is why I sprayed the drums black ( rather than silver) on my daughters Yaris so the alloys were better defined :-( Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 14 Nov 15 13:11   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - Old Navy

My Yaris came with black painted rear drums. Maybe an indication of the showroom attraction of rear discs is the diesel Yaris has the best performance of the range and rear drums, yet the petrol powered sport and hybrid models have rear discs. Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 14 Nov 15 16:51   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - madf

Th Jazz has rear disks. No problem with corrosion in three years of driving. BUT lots of low mileage drivers do have. (Hills and my driving style I guess mean they are shiny at front and rear) Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 14 Nov 15 17:15   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - Zero

The under 100 bhp Lancer has disks on the back. Changed the pads once, but the disks (rotors) are 136k 8 year old originals. No rust there. Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 14 Nov 15 17:20   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - Shiny

I wouldn't have expected drums to work well with ABS/ESB due to their heath-robinson mechanicals. Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 14 Nov 15 17:31   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - Zero

>> I wouldn't have expected drums to work well with ABS/ESB due to their heath-robinson mechanicals. used to have ABS on the front wheels only back in the day. Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 14 Nov 15 18:03   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - Bromptonaut

>> used to have ABS on the front wheels only back in the day. Sure that's case with my 05 Berlingo, not sure about the newer one or the Xantia. The Xant's front ABS rotors were on the driveshafts, not sure how any rear system worked. Haven't there been load valves on rear brakes for years so as to stop them locking in handbrake turn fashion? Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 14 Nov 15 21:16   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - Old Navy

>> Haven't there been load valves on rear brakes for years so as to stop them >> locking in handbrake turn fashion? >> Yes, but now superseded by electronic brake distribution (EBD) which uses the ABS sensors on each wheel hub to proportion pressure to each wheel. Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 14 Nov 15 22:13   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - R.P.

Yes, but now superseded by electronic brake distribution (EBD) which uses the ABS sensors on each wheel hub to proportion pressure to each wheel. Wonder how that works with a drum brake...? Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 14 Nov 15 22:15   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - ....

>> Yes, but now superseded by electronic brake distribution (EBD) which uses the ABS sensors on >> each wheel hub to proportion pressure to each wheel. >> >> Wonder how that works with a drum brake...? >> Don't they all have TPMS now which tells them how quickly the wheel is rotating and averaged out over all four wheels, is it in tolerance or not ? Even more reason to rotate tyres. Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 14 Nov 15 22:21   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - Old Navy

>> Wonder how that works with a drum brake...? >> Why should it be any different to a disc brake? They are both hydraulically operated and my rear drum brakes car has EBD and a ABS sensor in each rear hub. Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 14 Nov 15 22:22   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - ....

Do you have TPMS ON ? *ON = Old Navy, not on. Last edited by: gmac on Sat 14 Nov 15 at 22:23 Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 14 Nov 15 22:27   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - Old Navy

>> Do you have TPMS ON ? >> *ON = Old Navy, not on. >> No, but the car has vehicle stability control (VSC) which can apply the brakes to individual wheels. Last edited by: Old Navy on Sat 14 Nov 15 at 22:28 Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 14 Nov 15 22:31   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - ....

The reason I asked was because my wife's Auris hybrid does not have it either despite being registered end of Jan 2015 AFTER the TPMS mandatory date BUT the car having a 2007/8 type approval date with minor facelift in 2013 does not require it as standard. It appears Toyota do what they have to in order to meet the regs. and nothing more. Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 14 Nov 15 22:36   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - Old Navy

>> It appears Toyota do what they have to in order to meet the regs. and >> nothing more. >> Same as most other manufacturers then. :-) Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 14 Nov 15 17:39   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - bathtub tom

>> I wouldn't have expected drums to work well with ABS/ESB due to their heath-robinson mechanicals. My previous Almera had rear discs and when the ABS operated you could feel it through the pedal and it seemed to work at a much higher frequency than my rear drummed Yaris, which just gives a 'locked' pedal feel. This was on wet grass. I don't make a habit of using ABS on the road for long enough for comparative reasons! Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 14 Nov 15 18:08   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - Armel Coussine

ABS has scared me a couple of times by being a lot worse than I would have been without ABS. No doubt it's been the saving of many a poor boy, but I don't like or trust it. The jalopy hasn't got traction control at the moment. I don't mind on the road, even in the wet, but muddy grass is another matter. Gotta be careful turning round in some places. Tsk. Must run it past the bloke. Perhaps he can reset it or something. Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 14 Nov 15 18:58   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - Armel Coussine

>> Tsk. Must run it past the bloke. Perhaps he can reset it or something. The jalopy has big discs all round, but the rear ones have small drums inside them for the not-too-brilliant handbrake. Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 14 Nov 15 18:06   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - spamcan61

I was surprised to see both the Spamettes' Fiestas (59 and 63 plate Zetecs) had rear drums, whereas SWMBO's mighty powerhouse 1.4 Meriva has all round disks. Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 14 Nov 15 18:19   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - ....

Ford have a history of drums at the rear. I remember the mid-80s Escort RS turbo having ABS and rear drums. Ah the heady days when 130 horsepower was a cooking model, of course all those hot hatches were in the 750-950 kgs bracket. A lightweight hot hatch these days is over 1.25 tonnes. Last edited by: gmac on Sat 14 Nov 15 at 18:20 Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 14 Nov 15 18:31   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - R.P.

That was one of my thoughts. One of the first cars I drove with ABS was a Ford Escort. That had drums as well. Seem to recall that there was quite an in depth article in Autocar at the time, seemed quite an ingenious solution. Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 14 Nov 15 19:28   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - bathtub tom

I believe one of the first cars with ABS was a Fiat Uno turbo. Fiat recommended that if the ABS was ever activated the car should have its front wheel alignment checked! From Wiki: An option on later first series Turbo i.e. models was called 'Anti-Skid' – a simple form of ABS that only operated on the front wheels and only once per ignition cycle meaning that if it was triggered during a journey it would not do so a second time until the ignition had been turned off and on again. Whilst it was an admirable attempt on Fiat's part at improving driver safety and reducing accidents, the 'Anti-Skid' system was largely regarded as ineffective and unreliable Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 14 Nov 15 19:29   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - R.P.

Jensen Interceptor ! Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 14 Nov 15 19:39   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - ....

The Granny was the first across the whole range in '86. Still remember the advert of the car swerving around farmer Barleymow coming off the field. Last edited by: gmac on Sat 14 Nov 15 at 19:40 Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 14 Nov 15 19:46   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - R.P.

You reminded me...I had a go in one in '86...When was the last time you saw one...? All gone now I suspect. Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 14 Nov 15 20:01   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - ....

I saw a Granny estate a couple of weeks ago parked behind a new Mondeo. I would say a Focus estate might edge it for space being slightly wider. It must have been one of the last bug eyed ones. Last edited by: gmac on Sat 14 Nov 15 at 20:02 Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 14 Nov 15 20:10   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - R.P.

Some of them had proper Cosworth engine didn't they ? Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 14 Nov 15 20:29   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - ....

2.9 6 cylinder with 195 PS and a top speed of 140mph which is where a 2.0 diesel repmobile is today. Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 14 Nov 15 20:13   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - Falkirk Bairn

In the early 90s I had a 607 - combined rear disk brakes & hub containing drum park brakes. Seemed a good idea - the rest of the car was poor but the brakes & handbrake never gave any issues Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 14 Nov 15 20:34   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - Manatee

The bug eyed Scorpio was a decent size inside, definitely bigger than a Focus. Funnily enough I followed a 73 Granada GXL auto through Leighton Buzzard today. That looked smaller than I remembered. Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 14 Nov 15 20:50   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - ....

There's 5" in the wheelbase 2770 vs 2648 in favour of the Granada. The focus is 2010 wide vs 1875 for the Scorpio wagon. The Granada might be bigger but it's marginal. Probably park a Granada in the boot of the new Mondeo estate. Last edited by: gmac on Sat 14 Nov 15 at 20:50 Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 14 Nov 15 20:59   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - carmalade

Escorts from the 80's had a totally mechanical abs system that only worked on the front wheels.The system was driven by 2 toothed belts from the driveshafts.Take a look here;www.howacarworks.com/illustrations/lucas-girling-scs-stop-control-system Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 14 Nov 15 21:13   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - R.P.

Thanks. Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 14 Nov 15 21:15   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - Robin O'Reliant

>> >> >> Funnily enough I followed a 73 Granada GXL auto through Leighton Buzzard today. That looked smaller than I remembered. >> I think everything looks smaller than we remember compared to today's air bag and crumple zone infested cars. I followed a Mk 2 Escort Popular a few weeks ago, it looked like it was perched on bicycle tyres. Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 14 Nov 15 21:19   Ford - 2015 Fiesta...Drum Brakes !! - ....

I took a photo of two FIAT 500 cars nose to nose a couple of years ago with my 7 year old daughter stood in between. The original was half the size of the current car, my daughter towered above the original. Reply to this message | Report message