Motoring Discussion > The engine that powers the world.	Miscellaneous
Thread Author: Old Navy	Replies: 24

Wed 23 Sep 15 21:02   The engine that powers the world. - Old Navy

Documentary on Ch4 now. Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 23 Sep 15 21:19   The engine that powers the world. - Bromptonaut

Ch 4 or BBC 4? Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 23 Sep 15 21:26   The engine that powers the world. - Old Navy

I'm on BBC 4 HD, history and developmeñt of diesels. Last edited by: Old Navy on Wed 23 Sep 15 at 21:26 Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 23 Sep 15 21:41   The engine that powers the world. - Bromptonaut

>> I'm on BBC 4 HD, history and developmeñt of diesels. So not Channel 4 then. Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 23 Sep 15 21:48   The engine that powers the world. - Old Navy

Well spotted, couldn't you figure it out yourself? Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 23 Sep 15 21:55   The engine that powers the world. - Bromptonaut

>> Well spotted, couldn't you figure it out yourself? Well I thought I could but (a) am I sure (b) am I misleading others. Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 23 Sep 15 22:01   The engine that powers the world. - Old Navy

Well, I found it an interesting programme. It looks like diesel engines are going to be around for a long time. Last edited by: Old Navy on Wed 23 Sep 15 at 22:03 Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 23 Sep 15 22:37   The engine that powers the world. - Zero

twas a good prog. I wonder why modern hybrids are not diesel based. Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 23 Sep 15 22:44   The engine that powers the world. - sooty123

I read it's to do with the characteristics of the two engines not complementing each other. Both produce low down torque unlike the petrol/electric hybrid. I think the french are trying to get one to work, I think in a 4x4 body. I think they had quite a few technical problems, it's a bit of a problem child as i understand it. Last edited by: sooty123 on Wed 23 Sep 15 at 22:45 Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 23 Sep 15 23:04   The engine that powers the world. - Lygonos

Peugeot and Mercedes both make diesel-electric hybrids. www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jun/21/mercedes-benz-c300-bluetec-hybrid-amg-car-review www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/peugeot/508/first-drives/peugeot-508-hybrid4-first-drive-review Reviews suggest the French variants aren't a joy to drive, the Merc somewhat better (but not as good as a pure TD or petrol-hybrid). I read a comparison test in Whatcar that showed the Merc had plenty of grunt (sub-7 second 0-60 iirc) and better economy than the 520d and Jag XE 2.0d it was tested alongside. Last edited by: Lygonos on Wed 23 Sep 15 at 23:06 Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 24 Sep 15 07:35   The engine that powers the world. - sooty123

Thanks for the links. Looks like the french are still struggling with it. The merc gets a good write up, I'd not noticed that one pop onto the market. Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 23 Sep 15 23:13   The engine that powers the world. - rtj70

>> twas a good prog. I wonder why modern hybrids are not diesel based. Some are diesel hybrids aren't they? There's the MB E-Class E300 diesel hybrid and the Peugeot 508 RXH. I should have read Lagoons' reply... It's probably only these two mind. Last edited by: rtj70 on Wed 23 Sep 15 at 23:14 Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 24 Sep 15 00:47   The engine that powers the world. - henry k

>> twas a good prog. I wonder why modern hybrids are not diesel based. I always understood that the likes of the Prius were petrol as diesel engines in cars in its early days were not popular in the USA. Google found www.torquenews.com/1083/why-are-there-no-diesel-hybrid-cars Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 24 Sep 15 07:41   The engine that powers the world. - RichardW

As I remember Somebody from PSA once said: Diesel is expensive, hydbrid is expensive, diesel-hybrid is expensive squared! Reply to this message | Report message       1

Thu 24 Sep 15 07:43   The engine that powers the world. - PR

Peugeot are dropping the diesel hybrid.. with some bitterness Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 24 Sep 15 09:42   The engine that powers the world. - madf

>> Peugeot are dropping the diesel hybrid.. with some bitterness >> I said somewhere it would end in tears. The French and advanced electronics - or even simple electronics - are a mismatch.. Last edited by: madf on Thu 24 Sep 15 at 09:42 Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 24 Sep 15 11:16   The engine that powers the world. - Dog

>>The French and advanced electronics - or even simple electronics - are a mismatch.. The Exocet missile and the Super Etendards went quite well, unfortunately. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 24 Sep 15 12:00   The engine that powers the world. - Old Navy

>> The Exocet missile and the Super Etendards went quite well, unfortunately. >> Not quite, the Exocets used against us had been " got at" and the warheads did not explode. Not that it made a lot of difference the damage was done by the engines and fuel, it may have saved some lives though. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 24 Sep 15 09:46   The engine that powers the world. - Alanovich

>> Peugeot are dropping the diesel hybrid.. with some bitterness >> 508 RXH? I quite fancy one now they're depreciating properly. I bet Zero can't wait for me to get one. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 24 Sep 15 12:07   The engine that powers the world. - Old Navy

Last night's documentary illustrates the problem the "Diesel is the fuel of the devil and should be banned" brigade has. Empty supermarkets and shops along with no online shopping deliveries would concentrate a few minds. Not to mention food production and moving virtually everything we use. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 24 Sep 15 12:09   The engine that powers the world. - WillDeBeest

Is the Volvo still not ready, then? Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 24 Sep 15 12:15   The engine that powers the world. - Alanovich

Nearly, Will. Nearly. Patience. Update shortly. Go get a kebab for lunch, and when you've finished it I'll tell you. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 24 Sep 15 13:13   The engine that powers the world. - ....

>> I wonder why modern hybrids are not diesel based. >> In addition to Pug/Cit and Mercedes mentioned Volvo have made one. Not an ecomental one either. They had a 1.6 diesel they could have used but hooked the electric power up with the 5 cylinder D5 instead. Not sure quite where that leaves the car since all their new cars are going 4 cylinder two litres. The new XC90 T8 is a petrol hybrid so Volvo's diesel hybrid might be short lived. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 24 Sep 15 13:18   The engine that powers the world. - TheManWithNoName

An enjoyable hour and I learnt why a Deltic is so called. I had no idea of the configuration of the cylinders. I smiled when the presenter drove the shunter train and said this was the first model on everyone's model train set. Spot on. I would have loved to have heard the Deltic going though. I chuckled at the part about tractors and pulling the weighted trailer when all that black smoke poured out. Mind you, VW could probably fix that! Reply to this message | Report message       1

Thu 24 Sep 15 20:53   The engine that powers the world. - RattleandSmoke

Watched it last night, I enjoyed it although I felt it was rushed towards the end. Reply to this message | Report message