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Last edited by: VxFan on Sat 27 Feb 16 at 12:44
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For those people with a Sky box, and who record the qualifying, etc,
check that your box is set to record the qualifying on Saturday.
Mine wasn't. It was only set to record the race on Sunday. I guess the series link has thrown a wobbly because qualifying is on BBC2, and the race Sunday is on BBC1. Previous series links for F1 have been set for both BBC1 and BBC2, but it looks like my box has forgotten all about BBC2 as there haven't been any races or qualifying on that station for a while.
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Unless the rain comes, I shan't be watching any of it.
Last edited by: VxFan on Fri 3 Jul 15 at 16:45
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I'll be watching the Vulcan put on a display (if it arrives). Wonder if it'll be overflying the GP?
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Have a look on their website, but i think they are doing the old v bomber base tour.
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Sunday is the Old Warden (Biggleswade) air show, full display.
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Flat and windswept, can catch cars unawares sometimes what with all this aerodynamics faff. But it always did.
Very fast for those who get it right all the way round.
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Watching the race.Have Williams got it wrong not to let Bottas overtake his team mate?
It is a race the driver should know what he can do.Hamilton has taken advantage in the lead now on his fresh tyres.
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Unlikely to have have had any effect on the result of the race, especially now the good old rain has mixed it up.
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For the first 20 odd laps of the race, the first 4 cars were all Mercedes powered. By a street. You couldn't even see the fifth car.
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Williams are doing well. I suppose fifth and sixth or so was about right in the end, but they did get away very impressively at the start. Massa and Bottas are both drivers I like too.
Another of those, Ricciardo, was out of luck today. Not as out of luck as poor old Jenson Button, but his new teammate Fernando Alonso showed steel and got a point.
Mercedes still very dominant though and extending its points lead.
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>> fifth and sixth or so was about right
No it wasn't, they were fourth and fifth. How annoying.
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Williams lost a podium finish by poor strategy.
Mercedes pit crew (how quick are they?) plus better planning on the fly won it.
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Williams lost a podium finish by poor strategy.
Mercedes pit crew (how quick are they?) plus better planning on the fly won it.
Poor strategy is a bit unfair on Williams. Getting the right strategy is very difficult when it starts to rain as so many factors are involved. Yes, Mercedes did get it totally right, and even with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, it would be hard to see where they could improve.
But as Monaco clearly showed, they don't get it right all the time - no one does.
Last edited by: Slidingpillar on Tue 7 Jul 15 at 13:43
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Just heard the news about Jules Bianchi, very sad. I'm not an F1 fan I thought I would give him a mention.
Last edited by: nice but dim on Sat 18 Jul 15 at 07:23
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Very sad but inevitable, given the extent of the injuries.
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Who said F1 was boring?
Loads of wheel to wheel racing, overtaking, and someone other than a Mercedes (or a team using a Mercedes power plant) ended up on the podium at the Hungaroring. Also well done to McLaren for finally bringing both cars home, not only that but both of them in the top 10.
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Nice of Hamilton to apologise to the team halfway through the race.
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... and what does the team think of Ricciardo's overtake on Rosberg when Rosberg copped the puncture?
First of all I thought it was Ricciardos' fault for being a bit 'gung ho', but then on the replay, it looked like Rosberg didn't leave him enough room and was trying to squeeze him a bit out of the corner.
Stewards saw it as a racing incident...and Brundle hinted it was Rosberg's fault and similar to what he did to Hamilton at Spa.
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I get the impression, which is all it can be, that Rosberg's touch in these situations isn't as sure or instinctive as that of the very best of his peers.
Hamilton I thought came across as genuine in his own assessment of his performance. If anything he was a bit hard on himself, he did well to finish where he did allowing for a poor start, an off, a crash and a stop for a new front wing, and a drive through penalty.
Contrast with Maldonado, who is the common factor in so many incidents, who thought the stewards were a bit harsh!
Hamilton now has the same lead over Rosberg that Rosberg has over Vettel...considering how far behind the Ferrari has been on speed, that is a very good performance from Vettel and if Ferrari continue to improve then Rosberg could b going down the table, not up.
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I had always assumed Vettel's skills were being flattered by the Red Bull, but this season has changed my opinion. Perhaps not on the level of Alonso or Hamilton, but now best of the rest, in my opinion.
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>> I had always assumed Vettel's skills were being flattered by the Red Bull, but...
>> now best of the rest, in my opinion.
Vettel had an outstanding qualifying today, half a second faster than anybody else.
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>> Vettel had an outstanding qualifying today, half a second faster than anybody else.
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Americans are probably checking his emissions as we speak.
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Lee McKenzie spends a day with Max & Jos
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/34027380
Not surprising he is so good so young.
An niteresting comparison with Lewis Hamilton
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I used to enjoy stock car and hot-rod racing (UK), but when they introduced banger racing and then figure-of-eight. Turned me off completely.
Can't remember when I last went.
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>> www.wimp.com/figure-eight-endurance-race-is-terrifying/
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>> Any takers?
Put a roundabout on it and its anywhere in south east england.
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Maybe if VW get clobbered with a huge US fine for cheating on their emissions software they won't have any money left to buy Red Bull. Billions have been mentioned.
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>> Maybe if VW get clobbered with a huge US fine for cheating on their emissions
>> software they won't have any money left to buy Red Bull. Billions have been mentioned.
Very true. But then maybe a brand that has been severely tarnished by lying and cheating its customers might need to be revived by some sporting exposure.
One has to wonder, how high up the company chain was this fraud known and condoned? The Yanks will be trying to find out for sure.
Last edited by: Zero on Sun 20 Sep 15 at 09:50
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Seventeen-year-old Pedro Piquet, son of former Formula 1 driver Nelson Piquet, survives a spectacular crash during the Porsche GT3 Cup Challenge in Brazil.
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/motorsport/34312289
Just one small nudge and wow!
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Is F1 declining faster than ever?
Has Bernie slowly killed the golden goose?
All the traditional tracks seem to be for the chop and replaced by "out of the box" designs.
All sorts of gimics have been introduced to "spice" things up etc proper racing seems no more.
Watching the Goodwood revival races looked far more interesting.
If the lack of postings on this thread is an indication of interest then last one out turn off the lights.
Headline news!
Max Verstappen passes driving test on his 18th birthday
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/34404662
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F1 is BORING.. After Turn 1.
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Yes,The Aragon motorcycle GP was much more interesting,particularly the last few laps!
Last edited by: jc2 on Thu 1 Oct 15 at 09:46
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Jenson Button stays at McLaren for 2016 season
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/34410998
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Ron Dennis gave a very good interview at Suzuka, partly an excuse for McLaren's problems but IMO correct. In an attempt to control costs, testing is virtually banned, which means that it takes an inordinate amount of time (and expense) to become competitive. He made the point that in their previous successful partnership with Honda, they spent three days a week testing at Suzuka; if they could do a fraction of that now, they would be much further on.
Furthermore, it does not reduce costs anyway, because the well off teams will still spend what they have - just less efficiently, as they are limited in wind tunnel time so they have to "guess" more and prove/test at race weekends. The poor teams are still left behind.
The other 'problem' that Bernie et al have tried to address is making the sport exciting. To that end we have cars crippled by tyres designed to fall apart during a race - a development cul-de-sac if ever there was one. The cars would have been faster at Suzuka with about 3psi less in the tyres but for safety reasons Pirelli put the minimum pressures higher, making it difficult to keep the tyres in the critical temperature window. We also have DRS, which I can't quite make up my mind about.
And now this nonsense:
"For 2016, all cars must have a separate exhaust wastegate tailpipe through which all and only wastegate exhaust gases must pass. This measure has been undertaken to increase the noise of the cars and will not have any significant effect on power or emissions."
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"For 2016, all cars must have a separate exhaust wastegate tailpipe through which all and only wastegate exhaust gases must pass. This measure has been undertaken to increase the noise of the cars and will not have any significant effect on power or emissions."
Pretty sure my first encounter with a separate wastegate exhaust was on a coach. The only thing that will be increased here is the overall weight, can't see it having much effect on noise. Wastegate operation is not a noisy affair, indeed the original Audi Quatro squeaked when its wastegate operated.
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F1 bosses to propose cheap engine alternative
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/34629481
Panic starting to set in ?
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Interesting article. The panic would be over this concern
"The two manufacturers' dominance is increasing their political power in F1 at the expense of Todt and Ecclestone"
what with Ecclestone wanting to hang onto power at the expense of the teams. Nothing new there then.
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If you don't fancy the Russian GP on BBC1, ITV4 (freeview 24) are showing live British Touring Cars all day; first race at 11.30.
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Was out all day yesterday so just caught up with the BTCC! What a drive by Shedden in the final race! Took absolute guts to go for it!
Much prefer BTCC to Scalextric F1
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>> Was out all day yesterday so just caught up with the BTCC! What a drive
>> by Shedden in the final race! Took absolute guts to go for it!
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>> Much prefer BTCC to Scalextric F1
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I really enjoyed the whole season, and decided on the final race of the season too!
But somewhat miffed that everyone (other than Goff but including Plato team mate Smith) just moved out the way for Shedden in that last race.
Jackson / Motorbase were the real stars of the season.
A fantastic finish for the youngsters in the Ginetta Junior series and also the the Clio Cup, both going to the very last race for a winner.
I'll hopefully make it to another few weekends next year.
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Before the race there was a long shot that showed two short men with their heads together high up in the stand, with a sort of clearing around them: Vladimir Putin and Bernie Ecclestone.
No doubt their two lots of heavies were maintaining their privacy by making people stand back.
The race itself as so often was a bit boring really. McClaren needs to pull its socks up.
Last edited by: VxFan on Sun 11 Oct 15 at 22:58
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So glad that Perez got his 3rd place back. He deserved it. I'm also glad that Bottas got his 4th place back. Likewise he also deserved it after Raikkonen took him off. And as Raikkonen was demoted from 5th to 8th after receiving a 30 sec penalty Mercedes claimed the Formula 1 constructors' title.
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>> So glad that Perez got his 3rd place back. He deserved it. I'm also glad that Bottas got his 4th place back. Likewise he also deserved it after Raikkonen took him off.
Yes, me too.
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>> I'm also glad
>> that Bottas got his 4th place back. Likewise he also deserved it after Raikkonen took
>> him off.
Bottas was 12th?
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Williams got the fourth place back with Massa. Bottas 'retired' but had completed 52 laps of the 53 lap race before the lapped finishers, so was placed 12th.
When the results went up I'm sure Button and Alonso were 9th and 10th, but I see Alsonso has been demoted below Verstappen so he must have had a post race penalty, presumably for abuse of track limits.
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>> Bottas was 12th?
Sorry, I meant his team mate, Massa.
>>Alsonso has been demoted below Verstappen so he must have had a post race penalty, presumably for abuse of track limits.
Yep.
www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/13860842/penalty-drops-fernando-alonso-points-russian-grand-prix
Last edited by: VxFan on Mon 12 Oct 15 at 10:15
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Who did they choose to interview them on the podium?
I can't stand it....................................................
It's become more of a circus than ever.
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>> Who did they choose to interview them on the podium?
>> I can't stand it....................................................
>> It's become more of a circus than ever.
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I found the name of the podium ...... in the press this morning.:-(
One advantage of not having SKY, is the BBC highlights programme edited out most of the podium guff including all of the interviews.
Perhaps the BBC could also edit out all the wizzy wizzy images and load noise ?
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Did the "please note" request at the start of this thread escape your vision when you posted this? Moved and retitled
Does anyone know if the BBC will be showing the Mexican GP at the weekend? The reason I ask is that it is not showing on the EPG on my TV.
Last edited by: VxFan on Tue 27 Oct 15 at 21:38
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They are showing the highlights. Sunday 10:30pm for the race. Saturday 10:45pm for the qualifying.
Actual coverage on Sky Sports F1 is around 6pm.
Last edited by: VxFan on Tue 27 Oct 15 at 21:37
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did the "please note" request escape your vision as well when you posted this? Moved and retitled
Which, if any, drivers will want to drive for McLaren next year?
Last edited by: VxFan on Tue 27 Oct 15 at 21:38
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Alonso and Button.
Last edited by: VxFan on Tue 27 Oct 15 at 21:38
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...it's been rescheduled to BBC2 so you might need to re-programme your machine.
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Looks like my Sky HD box has already done it (for once)
Just about to go and watch it.
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Considering this is a forum of petrol heads the lack of comments on this thread must show just how mind numbingly boring F1 has become !
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They can't stop themselves it seems.
At least the proposal for a budget engine has been ditched. That would have been a complete nonsense.
That still leaves the joke tyres, deliberately designed to fall apart if they get too warm.
Whilst it's true that it is the same for everybody, it makes as much sense as making golfers play with glass clubs.
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"That still leaves the joke tyres, "
The t.v. was on, though I can hardly say that I was watching it, when I heard that one of the cars had suffered a puncture early in the race. "You should have switched to Schwalbe Marathon Pluses", I muttered at the telly. I'm sure Brompt would agree with me.
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>> That still leaves the joke tyres, deliberately designed to fall apart if they get too
>> warm.
DOH
You just can't get away from the winter tyres debate on here,
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>> Considering this is a forum of petrol heads the lack of comments on this thread
>> must show just how mind numbingly boring F1 has become !
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I only watch the start these days. It got a bit wearing listening to the commentators (Pretending) to get excited over the battle for 13th place.
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I actually had forgotten it was on too. Happened on it but didn't watch much. Abu Dhabi is one of the most boring circuits too. Interlagos, and Spa would be the ones I'd like to drive in a reasonably quick car but the rest are not that interesting.
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>> Abu Dhabi is one of the most boring circuits too.
And yet there was quite a bit of wheel to wheel racing.
Shame Hamilton was told to stop messing with the settings on his steering wheel to improve the car's performance, or the team would have told Rosberg to play with his settings on his steering wheel so he could turn the wick up too.
That's team orders for you, which does spoil it.
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>> Shame Hamilton was told to stop messing with the settings on his steering wheel to
>> improve the car's performance, or the team would have told Rosberg to play with his
>> settings on his steering wheel so he could turn the wick up too.
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>> That's team orders for you, which does spoil it.
Hamilton started to turn the electronic wick up, they told him not to, but he ignored them, so they told Rosberg to turn his wick up, and then informed Hamilton (in cryptic code) that both cars would break and it would be his fault.
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>> Considering this is a forum of petrol heads the lack of comments on this thread must show just
>> how mind numbingly boring F1 has become !
I had it set to record on Freeview on the Mac. And realised after the start it had moved to BBC2. So I downloaded it to watch this evening and avoided the sports news. I tend to watch F1 in the evening.
The disappointing part of the race was Mercedes not allowing Lewis Hamilton to take a risk and stay out... might not have worked.... but it might have.
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>> The disappointing part of the race was Mercedes not allowing Lewis Hamilton to take a
>> risk and stay out... might not have worked.... but it might have.
Hamilton has prior history pushing tyres beyond safety limits and making them go bang. He is at the moment throwing his toys out of his pram, as he is apt to when things dont go his way.
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>> He
>> is at the moment throwing his toys out of his pram, as he is apt
>> to when things dont go his way.
I hadn't seen that, but he certainly looked a bit sulky.
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It looks as if there will not be any F1 on BBC in 2016. It's possible, but not certain, that ITV may cover some live races'
advanced-television.com/2015/12/17/bbc-to-reverse-out-of-f1/
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ITV shouldn't be allowed within a mile of live sport. From memory;
Cocked up by going to an ad break during the final few laps of a GP when the race was in the balance and missed the vital overtake (Someone will remember which one).
England v France in either World Cup or Euros, cut to an ad break in last five minutes and missed at least one vital goal.
Back in the 1970's John Spencer became the first player to make a 147 break during a live televised tournament - except that ITV had not taken any relief cameramen and the two who were filming had gone for their statuary tea break so we never got to see it.
Last edited by: Robin O'Reliant on Thu 17 Dec 15 at 20:27
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Another win for the Murdoch empire then. I confess I missed a few races this season, but I will miss the coverage being available. Could Auntie Beeb cover it more cheaply, perhaps?
For instance, back in the 80s they often did the commentary from London, with Murray and James Hunt following the action on TV - do they really need to send so many staff and so much kit round the world?
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Given how mind numbingly boring F1 is now I should imagine that the number of people watching it (more than just the first 2 or 3 laps anyway) must have fallen through the floor !
Last edited by: Skip on Thu 17 Dec 15 at 20:58
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I barely watched any races this year, and missed it not one jot. Used to be a time I would get up at silly o'clock to watch it live.
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I couldn't be bothered this year either. I just can't get excited about the thrilling battle for tenth place while the leaders dutifully follow each other round.
Do they really need to come on air a whole hour before the start? It could do without all the pundits and the grid walk, they add nothing as everyone interviewed only talks corporate bullcrap anyway. Ten minutes before kick off would be perfectly adequate.
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>> Ten minutes before kick off would be perfectly adequate.
I agree. But I wouldn't be surprised if the contract obliges them to present from the venue and do a lot of the 'interviews'.
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Me too, I never watch the 'punditising'.
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I'll miss it. Pinnacle of motor racing, never boring in my book.
Not as good as it used to be, but then, what is?
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....even nostalgia is not what it used to be......
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I like it... and will continue to watch it.
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The best F1 ever was the one a few years ago, maybe Hungary, when the rain hit and the cars were going all over the place! The safety car had to accelerate full blast to avoid an out of control car that was hurtling towards it!
Since then, its became a real life Scalextric set with very little overtaking and monotonous lap after lap. Give me touring cars any time!
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Me too, and I'd also miss about half of the punditry - more the bits about the team politics and the engineering than profiles of drivers though.
I did think I wouldn't cope without Martin Brundle but the new team have really stepped up to the mark (except of course Eddie who may be an expert but is often just there for comedy value IMO).
I'd also say that F1 racing hit rock bottom about 4 years ago but has steadily got better, albeit by somewhat artificial means, and is now vastly improved.
EDIT: Bobby's post came in alongside mine. When was the last time you really watched it Bobby, and all the others who say it';s a procession? And aren't many sports like that, where the outcome is predictably in the hands of the best competitor? (how often does the underdog win in football?)
Last edited by: smokie on Thu 17 Dec 15 at 23:53
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We have Sky Sports. I prefer the BBC coverage. Often watch the cut-down highlights on the BBC instead of live on Sky. And I could watch Sky on a mobile device anywhere.
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From smokie's link:
"Reflecting Channel 4’s track record for innovation in sports broadcasting, in a first for a UK terrestrial commercial broadcaster, no advertising breaks will be taken through the duration of the live races."
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Looking quite promising then, presenters aside. I'll reserve my final judgement until then.
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It will be boring fare no doubt. No change of broadcaster can make silk out of carp..
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As ab aside, I see Lewis Hamilton finished a LOOOONG way down the pecking order at BBC Sports Personality last night.
Has the UK public got sick of him?
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>> As ab aside, I see Lewis Hamilton finished a LOOOONG way down the pecking order
>> at BBC Sports Personality last night.
>> Has the UK public got sick of him?
Yes
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>> >> Has the UK public got sick of him?
>> Yes
The British public, which is capable of any outlandish idiocy you can think of, clearly prefers the sexist/male chauvinist boxer chap. There's a good deal of jealousy in Hamiltonphobia.
(But to give the devil its due, the public elected the dour Andy Murray with the lovely runner lady an also-ran... she's one of the few sporting champions who don't seem completely self-obsessed).
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as the joke goes -
"Andy Murray a 'personality'?
Surely he should get one first?"
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>> The British public, which is capable of any outlandish idiocy you can think of, clearly
>> prefers the sexist/male chauvinist boxer chap. There's a good deal of jealousy in Hamiltonphobia.
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A person's political or social views would not stop me voting for them if I thought their endeavours in their particular field merited it.
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>> ...but to C4 not ITV. Presentation team to be announced.
So it's back to watching the telly with the sound muted and listening to the commentary on R5.
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>> and listening to the commentary on R5.
Someone who likes James Allen's commentary!! Is that possible?
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I used to watch all the races end to end but never do now and rarely watch the highlights. I'm not sure if it's because:
1. The racing now is dull
2. I've got better things to do with my spare time, or
3. I've grown up!
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The races are dull.I like to see the start of the race and then it goes downhill.
No interference from the bench let the drivers get on with it.All to calculated and boring.
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>>When was the last time you really watched it Bobby
not sure to be honest, if it happens to be on when I am in the house I might switch it on to see the first couple of laps.
Would be interesting to see how many overtakes have happened in each race that didn't involve pit lanes / safety cars etc.
>>And aren't many sports like that, where the outcome is predictably in the hands of the best competitor?
Agree there are many "sports" that you could attribute that to but F1 to me is the worse by far. As have mentioned before, for car racing I much prefer the Touring Cars - racing, crashing, penalties, handicaps and the ITV4 coverage is good as well.
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Not really motorsport, although they do have big motors...
They show some interesting stuff on Motors TV sometimes (freeview 71, HD receivers only), such as this, which I hadn't seen before:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dD-eBQtESo
Some of those boats have 1000hp+, but it seems to be relatively safe; accidents usually consist of expeditions across across the outfield:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxggp3U1Ajo
Next coverage is tomorrow 7.25pm. Entertaining, in small doses :)
EDIT: the TV coverage is better than that youtube video as you get an on-screen clock with splits, giving you more of an idea of how they're doing (as well as commentary)
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