Might not be road rage of course, but sounds likely. 79 year old man stabbed after crash.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-33562606
Yet another reminder that you never really know who you are dealing with.
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Rage is becoming more common with attention spans shortening.
I see it in my work life as a professional when a problem is encountered, customers start swearing, cursing etc. I have even had threats of violence (and in hindsight should have done something about it). I tend to walk in these situations now where in the past I would have tried to help the customer resolve their issues. Their loss.
With crash for cash scammers now demanding actual cash in accident I think the best advise in a small accident is to stay in the car and talk to them through a small opening in the window with doors locked.
When I went on a speed awareness course the advise re tailgaters was not to stop to let them pass as there was a real danger that they would pull in front of you to stop you driving off then attack you.
Last edited by: zippy on Fri 17 Jul 15 at 10:55
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>> Might not be road rage of course, but sounds likely. 79 year old man stabbed
>> after crash.
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>> www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-33562606
Kenneth Noye not been released has he?
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Good. This would not be a good time to test my opposition to the death penalty.
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Spur of the moment thing - he will live to regret it and wish he could turn the clock back. We weren't there so can't say exactly what took place, but whatever, there's no excuse for using a chiv - on anyone.
I've been a victim of road rage (no harm done) and a perp .. got charged with dangerous driving, reduced to careless driving on the day, thankfully. I've mentioned this before - my mil had just died at the age of 45 from a brain tumour and I was tad peed off that day I'm sad to say.
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Findon's just down the road from us, not far really at all.
What horrendous monsters there are living among us. Was the fellow on something? Had he been abused in childhood by his own grandfather? Was he just an undiagnosed (or worse still, released into community care) paranoid schizophrenic waiting to go off? Or all of these things?
There's no defence against this sort of thing. Society is lousy at spotting potential raving nutters and heading them off before it's too late. It's amazing in a way that these things don't happen more often.
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Down the little lane we live - in the middle of nowhere, I often pick up the rubbish thrown out of passing cars, and it amazes me to see the ingredients of the 'Monster Energy' drinks.
All the young dudes are fired up on adrenaline & testosterone anyway, plus these high-energy drinks, but, they're not actually burning off the energy by driving their cars!
Last edited by: Dog on Fri 17 Jul 15 at 16:20
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>> Down the little lane we live - in the middle of nowhere, I often pick
>> up the rubbish thrown out of passing cars, and it amazes me to see the
>> ingredients of the 'Monster Energy' drinks.
Lots of caffeine in those things. One is probably OK but anybody who drinks them one after another is going to be very twitchy.
When I started working in Italy in 2004 I soon learned not to take another espresso every time it was offered - my heart was revving off the clock one day, gave me quite a scare. I stick mainly to Yorkshire Tea now, decaff after midday!
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>> One is probably OK but anybody who drinks them one after another is going to be very twitchy.
I used to live on caffeine and sugar when I was working - boy did I used to fly about London in my Hometune van!
I don't touch sugar now, but I still manage to, um, murder 8 or 9 cups of tea per day.
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I thought it rang a bell. I stayed in the Findon something-or-other hotel back in 1988/89 a couple of times.
Off in that direction tomorrow actually. Friends live at West Chiltington. Unusually for me, I'm not really looking forward to the drive, it's c. 50% M25, otherwise I would take the MX5 as the weather forecast is OK.
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For a short period in adolescence I took to carrying a cut-throat razor as a weapon. But I knew I'd never cut anyone with it or even threaten anyone with it. It was just a bit of childish posturing.
Hooligan I met in Lagos had a very deadly weapon, a bit of sharpened Toyota leaf spring, had a slight curve that made it fit comfortably in a back pocket. Nasty damn thing, and he was a pretty badass boy too.
In America a long-term hitchhiker expressed surprise that I didn't carry a weapon, and showed me his: a razor blade with elastoplast down its spine, a bit small for rough work I thought. It didn't help that he carried it in one of the compartments of his wallet, in an inside pocket. Despite a hardman come-on he wasn't a badass at all, just a nice country boy who missed his momma.
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>>For a short period in adolescence I took to carrying a cut-throat razor as a weapon
You wont believe this (I don't) I had a shotgun at the age of 11.
I also had a flick knife once upon a time.
I had both lethal weapons for a very short time thanks to two women in my life.
My mother found the shotgun which I'd hidden in the disused coal cupboard, and my wife must have disposed of the flick-knife because it miraculously disappeared from where I had 'hidden' it.
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Course we all loved switchblades, especially after the movie The Blackboard Jungle came out.
'Hey, c'mon, Teach, show us what you got, huh?'
Switchblades were initially quite hard to get, and they cost a bit too so were greatly prized. Most were cheaply made and mechanically weak. But they are menacing dramatic things seductive to an adolescent.
No one I knew was ever cut or stabbed with one or cut or stabbed anyone else with one. Nearest thing was my oldest friend at his public school, where he had the chutzpah to cut a button off someone's waistcoat, something like that.
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This is the blade I had. I never had it for long, and never took it out of the owse.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7shXI8EPzMA
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Common in my school days, using it one handed was the aim, but none of us could ever use one without major cuts to fingers, or more painfully the webbing between finger and thumb.
Last edited by: Zero on Fri 17 Jul 15 at 18:08
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Never saw one with a wooden handle. Most were black plastic, but the really flash ones were sort of pearl plastic.
Never saw one with a swivel bolster either. You had to pull something up to close them. That took both hands.
They were cheapo things though, not real weapons that could go through a battle with fire and brimstone and still work properly.
There was another sort of flick-knife, a gravity blade that came straight out of the handle and locked in place with a spring snib thing. It too was more for show than real use.
Were I a knife crime aficionado I'd go for the sharpened toyota spring leaf every time. Reliable.
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The trouble with knives is you've got to get in close and if you are an inexperienced fighter you could well lose it and have it used against you. Best weapon to ward off an attacker is a fifty pence piece, flicked into someone's face it causes considerable discomfort and gives you time to either leg it or follow up with a further reducer.
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Sawn-off double-barrelled ten bore loaded with blue whistlers dahna back yer trahsis mate, that'll discourage em...
We were taught that knives were caddish. Since the technique is to produce the thing out of nowhere and attack without warning, then leave, one can only agree.
In any case it takes guts and stupidity to use one.
Better than being cornered with no weapon at all though, if it comes to it... but how often does that happen?
A firearm trumps a blade every time, and I know where I am with firearms.
Last edited by: Armel Coussine on Fri 17 Jul 15 at 19:54
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>> A firearm trumps a blade every time
I've often thought about packing a piece, especially living where we do. I'd have no qualms about doing a Tony Martin either.
Hailing from the gutters of sowf lunden, I know how 'they' think, so I don't over-concern myself with such thoughts.
I even sleep with the bedroom window open most of the year, and if some toerag did climb in one night using the ladder I keep unlocked, I could always hit him/her with my zimmer frame, or throw my commode at him.
:o}
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The murder scene is only just a few miles from me and not the sort of area you expect a road rage incident if that is indeed what it was.
As to weapons,when I was a kid we settled arguments with fists or boots. I was used to guns ,12 bore and .22 rifle were useful on the farm but would never dream of using one in a fight.
A good weapon is a bunch of keys in between fingers in a fight but a better one is a good turn of speed away from your assailant....
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The problem with weapons is that although you'd never imagine that you'd use one when it comes to the heat and confusion of battle it is so easy to lose your head and lash out, with the possibility of dire consequences.
Unless you live in Syria or somewhere like that they are best avoided.
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Indeed. The actual chances of being in in a live threatening attack in the UK are vanishingly small. That is why they attact such massive publicity. This is a very safe country.
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>> Indeed. The actual chances of being in in a live threatening attack in the UK are vanishingly small.
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Perhaps I have been unlucky. over many years I have experienced two examples of road rage when I have been seriously frightened. I had no idea if either were armed with anything.
In the second event I was chased for at least ten minutes through minor local roads by a biker. I had sufficient time to plan my route away from home and also I was prepared to do an emergency stop and hope he bit the dust " hard".He had already done several U turns to keep chasing me so I considered that he was intending to do me harm so it was simply me or him.
Both events proved to me that there are folks with serious problems that should not be in charge of a motorised vehicle.
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>> there are folks with serious problems that should not be in charge of a motorised vehicle.
You don't have to be attacked to realise that hk... you just have to drive down the road.
I too have had alarming run-ins with other motorists. It's far from amusing.
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That sounds bad. How did it end up. I assume you took his number and told the police?
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>> That sounds bad. How did it end up. I assume you took his number and told the police?
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The last action was me doing a crash stop prior to a right turn and the biker trying to kick my door as he passed my nearside. At that point, him having threatened me for a mile or two ( going in the opposite direction to when I first encountered him) I assume he gave up.
The only time his number was in view was when he passed me.
I then went on a wander route hoping to not see him again.
As the events took place within a couple of miles from home I was worried for some weeks that We might meet again especially as my car was not a very common version and thus easy to identify.
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you did report it though? The guy sounds a complete madman. What if anything triggered off this behaviour.
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I have to say, no lone biker is going to come off anything but worse if a similar scenario happened to me. A bike is pretty unprotected weapons platform in the event of war breaking out.
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"What if anything triggered off this behaviour."
That's key. I was chased in a similar way for quite some miles a few years ago. it was terrifying, not least for the rest of my family who were in the car, but it was my own stupid fault. Not many people would recognise that and even less would own up to it.
In my case, I saw this car coming up the wrong lane towards lights at which I was waiting to turn right. He was driving like a class 1 dick and clearly intending to shove in and jump the queue. So I positioned myself quite obviously intentionally in such a way that he was stuck in the wrong lane, thus at best embarrassing him somewhat.
But that gave rise to the chase which went on for about 10 miles round country lanes (maybe only 5 but it felt like more). Eventually I stopped and kept my windows shut, he and his mate hopped out of his car and he was fuming. Thankfully another motorist stopped and his mate said something like I wasn't worth it, and they left.
Although what he did was completely wrong, I hadn't been too clever either and I "learnt an appropriate lesson".
So there may well be something which the OP has done, even unwittingly, which must have sparked this off.
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>> you did report it though? The guy sounds a complete madman. What if anything triggered > off this behaviour.
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I did not report it as I had so little in the way of description re him or his bike.
I consider myself a reasonably polite driver and was on a bus route that has cars parked on both sides of the road. A normal route, off peak and returning from shopping so no hurry.
The usual sort of alternating through the gap. The biker was a late arrival and had a a few hundred yards straight view of the situation ahead. He arrived as it was my turn to drive through and obvious considered that he had right of way etc etc and took offence.
He did the first of his several u turns and started his chase/antics.
So an example of a threat from a " ordinary " road situation by a guy, I guess not a teenager, in ordinary clothes on a ordinary no glam middle weight bike who totally " lost it".
You just do not know what may await you on the road.
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The assailant was reported as driving a vintage car. Do we know what it was?
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>> The assailant was reported as driving a vintage car. Do we know what it was?
I was wondering too. Needless to say it's highly unlikely to be a Vintage car in reality. Newspaper subs don't know what the term means, so it could be anything from a sixties jalopy to one of those ghastly pastiche 'old cars' some people aren't embarrassed to be seen in.
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According to the Telegraph, it was a Ford Focus.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11750295/Don-Lock-road-rage-murder-Suspect-34-due-in-court.html
"Mr Teasdale added that Daley had not had Ford Focus long, as he had replaced his previous car due to a speeding incident. "
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>> According to the Telegraph, it was a Ford Focus.
Tsk, honestly, raaaas...
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Sure it was a Ford ? Jowett had a Focus 80 or 90 years ago.
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>> The assailant was reported as driving a vintage car. Do we know what it was?
sunbeam stiletto
Edit, Might have been a rapier tho.
Last edited by: Zero on Mon 20 Jul 15 at 15:29
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Triumph Stab?
It seems he was a nutter ('had mental health issues', tchah!).
Last edited by: Armel Coussine on Wed 22 Jul 15 at 14:19
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Murder on A24 - road rage? - zippy
