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Wed 6 May 15 22:16

You have reached your destination - Dave_

tinyurl.com/p7gzen7 (Telegraph)

Driving tests including satnav use on the horizon.

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Wed 6 May 15 22:24

You have reached your destination - No FM2R

Doesn't seem unreasonable to be honest.

I think that 19yr olds, for example, have often had pretty good control of their vehicle. The challenge comes from using it in a real world environment.

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Wed 6 May 15 22:36

You have reached your destination - WillDeBeest

...like with a carful of pished-up mates encouraging them to race the car alongside? Perhaps they should include that in the test too.

I suspect this is just another world's-gone-raving-mad-Marjorie piece for the Telegraph faithful. There'll be a grain of truth in it somewhere but it's not to be taken at face value.

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Wed 6 May 15 22:40

You have reached your destination - No FM2R

Perhaps. Probably, in fact.

But as far as I am concerned the more real world they throw in there the better.

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Wed 6 May 15 22:42

You have reached your destination - No FM2R

Why is the button that should be labelled;

"Please make my ignorant, embarrassing, juvenile, uneducated typing, spelling and grammar mistakes obvious by putting a flashing yellow beacon on them so that all and sundry can appreciate my incompetence"

Actually labelled...

"Post Message" ?

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Thu 7 May 15 01:57

You have reached your destination - VxFan

"The changes, proposed by the Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency, could see the three-point turn scrapped"

It's not been called the three-point turn for a number of years now. When I took my test back in 1985 it was referred to as "turn in the road" and to do so with the minimum amount of manoeuvres and without touching the kerbs.

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Thu 7 May 15 07:55

You have reached your destination - Old Navy

>> It's not been called the three-point turn for a number of years now.

Whatever it is called it is a thinly disguised car control exercise. I think it should be part of the test and done on a steeply cambered road.

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Thu 7 May 15 08:04

You have reached your destination - Dave_

My eldest is learning to drive currently. She tells me they no longer insist on the driver applying the handbrake between changes of direction in the turn in the road; simply balancing the clutch (it's a diesel) and brake pedals like the rest of us is enough. Slippery slope if you ask me.

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Thu 7 May 15 08:12

You have reached your destination - Bromptonaut

>> Whatever it is called it is a thinly disguised car control exercise. I think it
>> should be part of the test and done on a steeply cambered road.

While the TPT still has that value it's increasingly unusual to perform one in real life because of heavy traffic and/or parked cars. At least it is in busier parts of England; may be different in Scotland.

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Thu 7 May 15 09:33

You have reached your destination - henry k

>> While the TPT still has that value it's increasingly unusual to perform one in real
>> life because of heavy traffic and/or parked cars. At least it is in busier parts
>> of England; may be different in Scotland.
>>
In the south I still see three point turns being done in main roads and with no real concern for blocking others progress.

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Thu 7 May 15 08:26

You have reached your destination - Cliff Pope

>>
>> Whatever it is called it is a thinly disguised car control exercise. I think it
>> should be part of the test and done on a steeply cambered road.
>>

Exactly. No one ever thought it was a useful ability in itself - it's much easier to turn round in a garage forecourt or by reversing into someone's drive. But the point is that it's a fairly standard way of demonstrating precision control.
The same as hill starts without squashing a matchbox under the back wheel, or driving with a glass of water on the bonnet - hardly necessary in real life, but indicative of car control and awareness.

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Thu 7 May 15 09:37

You have reached your destination - henry k

>> Whatever it is called it is a thinly disguised car control exercise. I think it
>> should be part of the test and done on a steeply cambered road.
>>
My first driving test included such an exercise. In my mind it still seemed like three hill starts and a lot of effort. Power steering has softened the exercise.

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Thu 7 May 15 09:47

You have reached your destination - Slidingpillar

Wonder what they'll do with the deaf? No chance of giving them verbal instructions.

The SP nav often beats Sat Navs anyway, I just have a good memory of turns, and know how to keep track of my direction. Plenty of clues if you know what to look for, clouds and TV aerials being the main ones.

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Thu 7 May 15 10:58

You have reached your destination - Duncan

>> Plenty of clues if you know what to look for, clouds and TV aerials being the main ones.
>>

The position of the current bun is also a pretty obvious one..

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Thu 7 May 15 11:46

You have reached your destination - Zero

>> >> Plenty of clues if you know what to look for, clouds and TV aerials
>> being the main ones.
>> >>
>>
>> The position of the current bun is also a pretty obvious one..

Couldn't see it yesterday. I could tell you which ways the trees were bending if thats a help? Can someone point me to the North Cloud please?

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Thu 7 May 15 11:35

You have reached your destination - No FM2R

Plenty of clues? Cool. Which ones indicate roadworks and traffic jams?

I hope there is something because looking up at aerials, clouds and migrating albatross is so much better than watching the road and letting the Sat Nav look around for you.

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Thu 7 May 15 14:12

You have reached your destination - Slidingpillar

Which ones indicate roadworks and traffic jams?

A sat nav won't help you with these, you might get an alternative route out of it, but is it any good? Not much help in a car, but gravestones often indicate the prevailing wind, the lichen is on the lee side.

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Thu 7 May 15 14:29

You have reached your destination - No FM2R

>>A sat nav won't help you with these, you might get an alternative route out of it, but is it any good?

And how do aerials and clouds help you with roadworks?

My Sat Nav absolutely does route according to traffic conditions and thus predicted journey time. Not infallibly, but somewhat more reliably than following migrating albatrosses.

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Thu 7 May 15 15:52

You have reached your destination - Slidingpillar

And how do aerials and clouds help you with roadworks?

They don't and I never said they did! But a good sense of direction of travel goes a long way.

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Thu 7 May 15 17:00

You have reached your destination - No FM2R

>a good sense of direction of travel goes a long way.

True. And it is a source of regret that my ability to find my way around many countries and cities in the world is no longer the advantage that it once was.

Nonetheless, even when I am going somewhere that I already know the best route for, I frequently have the Sat Nav on simply keeping an eye out for traffic and stuff.

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Thu 7 May 15 11:05

You have reached your destination - helicopter

It happens all the time NoFM2R.....

One small spelling error and your post is completely urined....

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Thu 7 May 15 11:36

You have reached your destination - No FM2R

Now that's just taking the p.

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Thu 7 May 15 16:45

You have reached your destination - Boxsterboy

The roads would be a lot safer if these new drivers were taught how to phone/text/email whilst driving ;-)

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