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"No No paddy, I said one of Cement three of sand and half of water"
Last edited by: Zero on Fri 14 Nov 14 at 10:08
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It has just taken a colleague 1hr 45 mins to get from the Thorpe interchange to our office near Chertsey. All of 3 miles. It's causing complete chaos.
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"Not sure why it's failed but there were overnight repairs in that area last night."
Something to do with the fact that cement needs a few days to set before you can drive a lorry over it?
Last edited by: Cliff Pope on Fri 14 Nov 14 at 11:16
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Yesterday evening was also chaos in the Sunbury area.
In spite of knowing alternative routes a 30/40 min trip took 75mins.
I think I will stay in today :-)
The ambulance was left on its side following the collision with a black BMW at about 14:00 GMT.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-30046971
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>> "No No paddy, I said one of Cement three of sand and half of water"
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More likely to be a Pietrovich than a Paddy these days ...
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>> >> "No No paddy, I said one of Cement three of sand and half of
>> water"
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>> More likely to be a Pietrovich than a Paddy these days ...
Its a communist plot?
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Latest from the Highways agency.
A Friday night to remember :-(
The M25 in Surrey is experiencing long delays between J11 and J9, due to emergency repairs to the road infrastructure which has closed 3 lanes between J10 and J9.
Police and Repair Specialists are currently in attendance.
Road users may wish to consider alternative routes and allow extra time for their journey.
If you are stuck in the queueing traffic and have a medical emergency please dial 999.
Last updated on: 14/11/2014 13:14
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Won't hear from Zero again tonight.
He'll be out selling pie and mash, with liquor getting the funds together for an XF sportbrake.
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>> He'll be out selling pie and mash,
It's an amusing image.
On the logjammed urban motorways of Lagos, hawkers used to appear beside cars even on flyovers offering ball-point pens, combs, trinkets of various sorts, food sometimes, sunglasses, etc. What a way to make a living... I think I still have a pair of cheapo imitation US highway patrol mirror shades I bought from one.
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Its common place here.
Every junction has one of;
Performers (Jugglers / gymnasts / dancers)
Windscreen cleaners
Drinks sellers
Chocolate sellers
Flower sellers
Fruit sellers
Mobile phone accessories sellers
Free newspapers
Girls advertising some product or other.
A tip for a performer, should you choose to give, is about 20p. About 30p for your windscreen to be cleaned.
I used to refuse to give, and I'm still not generous, but I became conflicted when my wife pointed out "at least they're trying, and not stealing".
It does get too much though, because it is EVERY junction. 10 minutes from here to the girls' school, and out of 5 junctions, 4 will have sellers/performers.
Last edited by: No FM2R on Fri 14 Nov 14 at 16:54
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>> Its common place here.
And thats another thing you can't get out there
Pie and Mash with green liquor.
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Dunno about Chile, but at the right time of evening in Nigeria you can get hot grilled chicken gizzards with pepper and onions... gotta be at least as horrible as pie mash and green liquor...
Impossible to get all the grit out of gizzards, so they're only for the very hungry and robust.
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I've had géziers de canard in Périgord. Big bowl of them, with a green salad. First few mouthfuls were delicious but it became a bit of a slog. Don't remember any grit, though, just a lot of chewing.
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>>And thats another thing you can't get out there
>Pie and Mash with green liquor.
Imagine my devastation.
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>> >>And thats another thing you can't get out there
>> >Pie and Mash with green liquor.
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>> Imagine my devastation.
So very brave
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>> Video on Telegraph shows one man with a shovel carrying out repairs! And even he
>> gives up!
>> No wonder it has taken all day!!
There was a team of 20 on the job.
3 admin, 2 HR, 5 health and safety, 5 in PR, 2 in welfare, 2 in environmental impact, and one with a shovel.
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Pleasantly surprised that the disruption didn't reach as far round as the M4; just the usual Friday evening queues to get past Slough.
M4 in the rain this morning was awful, though. Not traffic, standing water; enough to make the LEC squirm alarmingly a couple of times.
Question from a relative novice to RWD: is there a qualitative difference in aquaplaning behaviour? I'm rationalizing what I felt this morning as the steering wheels losing grip while the driving wheels continued to push, whereas a FWD car would have lost grip and propulsion together, so not waited for me to adjust before losing speed and regaining grip. It happened twice, maybe for half a second each, but it wasn't nice. Cruise control would not have been clever.
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When you get the drive and steering back after aquaplaning on FWD the sudden power up front pulls you back on track again.
Not so when you briefly aquaplane with RWD
FWD is much safer in times of poor traction.
Last edited by: VxFan on Sat 15 Nov 14 at 00:03
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>> When you get the drive and steering back after aquaplaning on FWD the sudden power up
>> front pulls you back on track again.... Not so when you briefly aquaplane with RWD
A couple of weekends ago I was travelling back from South Wales on the M4. It was raining but on one section there was also lots of standing water. Never seen it so bad anywhere on a motorway. I'd slowed right down to what I thought was safe.
But some clowns were speeding past in the outside lane. And that lane was even deeper! How they thought they could progress safely.
Anyway a few minutes later, a BMW 5 series was in the crash barrier. Judging from it's final position it probably lost the back end when aquaplaning. Most panels damaged. He must have passed me only minutes earlier.
The day before we witness two other single car incidents:
- M6 just before roadworks a Peugeot 206 had driven into the central reservation instead of following the narrowing lanes at the cones. Probably on Facebook.
- A449 or could have been A40... car on it's roof with debris everywhere. Cars on both sides had stopped to help. No other car had driven into it. It must have only just happened when we got there because only about three cars between us an the overturned car. We eventually got waved passed by another motorist (after a few had cleaned up the road a bit) and we passed several ambulances and three fire engines coming the other way. I think they'd had a lucky escape mind!
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RWD is fine in standing water or other low grip scenarios, but it is a different technique. Yesterday for example I was driving through the same rainstorm as everyone else and sometimes running through standing water. All you really need to do is back off the accelerator until the car settles. If you keep the power on you're risking swopping ends true enough.
Reminds me, I need to organise some new back tyres soon. Not illegal yet but getting lowish on tread depth.
Formula One seem to have the best prices right now. Not used them before so might try them this time.I want two 265/35/18 Y XL Continental Sport Contacts and the range of prices around is quite wide.
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I can't stand it any more. What is a Ruddy LEC?
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Lazy Gits every Christmas. At last.........
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>> It's short for LGEC.
Not strictly true, its actually a TLA for a LGEC
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I had a TLA working (sic) for me today. They're everywhere it seems!
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latest I have heard on the TV/radio.
Four layers of concrete or some such stuff is required and each in turn has to " cure" and to date the fourth has yet to be applied and so it should all be completer by 2200.
Delays are FOUR hours.
I can understand truckers sitting it out as only limited alternatives are available but cars???
It has been a problem all day so are drivers not listening to the radio reports ??
A3 big delays at Guildford and M3 near the M25 also had a significant accident.
Surrey? keep out of a big chunk of it.
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"it should all be completed by 2200"
For one minute I thought you were referring to the year
Last edited by: CGNorwich on Fri 14 Nov 14 at 20:05
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Cobham services car parks were/are full. No room at the inn!
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I was caught in the J10-J9 M25 mess this morning. Cost me 2 hours. Set off from my house in South Cheshire at 04.00 and got to Brighton at 10.30 for an 08.30 meeting :-(
Also, you know when it sort of comes to you that you really really should have stopped at Oxford services when you first thought you might need a pee?
Sheesh !
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And now the A3 is closed at Ripley (j10 of m25)
Last edited by: Zero on Fri 14 Nov 14 at 20:45
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Amazingly the traffic was flowing freely into Dartford Tunnels this afternoon which is unheard of for a Friday (or pretty much any day lately !). Presumably all the traffic was being held up in Surrey and couldn't get to it.
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Unless I have missed something REALLY major, the M25 is circular. Instead of waiting for 4 hours, would it not be faster to drive the other way round?
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>> Unless I have missed something REALLY major, the M25 is circular. Instead of waiting for
>> 4 hours, would it not be faster to drive the other way round?
No, in the Northern Hemisphere you can only go one way round.
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>> I was caught in the J10-J9 M25 mess this morning. Cost me 2 hours. Set
>> off from my house in South Cheshire at 04.00 and got to Brighton at 10.30
>> for an 08.30 meeting :-(
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4hrs would be pretty good going for that journey in any circumstances.
I have a couple of customers well south of the M4 and if it's a morning meeting I've long given up driving down the same morning.
Mind you, I got delayed on the M40 at 10PM a few weeks ago as they'd started overnight roadworks at 9PM.
Last edited by: Bill Payer on Fri 14 Nov 14 at 22:16
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Is Zeddo still out there selling his pie & mash to fund the Sportbrake?
If so, I sincerely hope that he makes sufficient funds for the RS V8 jobbie. Heaven forbid a smelly diesel.
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I would have to sell a LOT of pies to get that
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I reckon I've sorted it...make the whole of the M25 one way only...That would give you savveners about 10 lanes to zoom recklessly round. Bit of a trot if you wanted to go to the next junction and it was the wrong way, but hey...it still might be quicker !
I'm not going anywhere near it meself !
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>> I was caught in the J10-J9 M25 mess this morning. Cost me 2 hours. Set
>> off from my house in South Cheshire at 04.00 and got to Brighton at 10.30
>> for an 08.30 meeting :-(
Didn't you know about it? Couldn't you have taken an alternative route?
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I live fairly close to this. I have been watching Traffic England on t'internet and watching the traffic news most of the day.
The time for completion has been moving back an hour or two al day long. At the moment TE says 12.00a.m. on the 15th. I expect they mean midnight tonight or 23.59.
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Earlier this evening someone - two cars actually - were delayed an hour or more coming from London and its environs by the snarl-up, which spreads all over the South East when conditions are wrong.
The trains were more or less on time though. Mussolini would have been proud of us on both counts.
Heh heh...
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I think I'm confused.
As I understand it the issue was caused by a repair that had failed?
If that's so, and given that the entire M25 had not been closed the night before, how come the repair necessitated all three lanes be closed and then took so much longer than the original repair?
Presumably that original repair would have also required digging out, preparation and filling is. So where's the difference?
Or have I got it wrong. Its a bit difficult following it from here.
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>> Or have I got it wrong. Its a bit difficult following it from here.
and here.
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>> As I understand it the issue was caused by a repair that had failed?
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"Heavy rain was blamed for preventing concrete used during overnight repairs to the carriageway, from setting."
>> If that's so, and given that the entire M25 had not been closed the night before, how come the repair necessitated all three lanes be closed and then took so much longer than the original repair?
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The M25 had three out of four lanes closed just in on direction.
Probably OK for single lane operation in the wee small hours.
What I do not understand is why the hard shoulder was not used ( cars only , trucks in lane 4) which still leaves a lane each side to protect the workers.
Perhaps no cone men available or non thinking clip board types ?
The pothole which measured 16ft (4.8m) long and 11.8in (0.3m) deep caused many motorist to shred their tyres, Surrey Police said.
The lanes between junctions 10 and nine finally reopened at about 04:00 on Saturday.
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>> What I do not understand is why the hard shoulder was not used ( cars
>> only , trucks in lane 4) which still leaves a lane each side to protect
>> the workers.
The hard shoulder was used. BY the repair crew for access and lorry parking.
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>> The hard shoulder was used. BY the repair crew for access and lorry parking.
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that makes four lanes for parking while they repair one lane.
I accept they need to get materials to the site but it took 20 plus hours from start to end.
It was reported there was a four hour queue. Even if the trucks joined the queue they would still make it.
Use the hard shoulder close to and around the repair ?.
That still allows hard shoulder for deliveries and two lanes just past the repair site.
I think " they could have tried harder!" or was it a case of "Tough!" to the public.
The office bods had a good few hours to consider alternatives.
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>> What a way to make a living... I think I still have a pair of cheapo imitation US highway patrol mirror shades I bought from one.
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You can sit and reflect on that then.
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>> >> >> "No No paddy, I said one of Cement three of sand and half
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>> Its a communist plot?
Don't worry it will soon be outed as a UKIP plot by Dan Hodges in the Telegraph, the entire commentariat in the Guardian and a wild rant in the Mirror, tucked under the latest footie news :-)
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M25 Collapse - DP
