Hi
wondering if someone on here can help as the DVLA has given me 2 answers to 1 question.
here goes:
I lost my licence in 2003 for 18 months for DR10 (drink driving) and ordered to re-sit an extended driving test.
over the last 10 years i have little reason to drive but now I have my test booked and ready to re-take and my conviction has been removed from my licence by this time
when insurance companies ask how long i have been driving will my regained licence show when i passed my test in 1995 or 2014?
just off the phone to the DVLA and the fella said it would be my original date, but i'm sure i was told before i would effectively become a new driver? if this is the ase does the new driver laws apply?
anyone got any insight into this?
Thanks for reading
Zab
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your photo card license line 4a will show the date it was issued.
Now the real question you are asking is what will the categories (classes to to drive) show, and they should (note the term should) show from the date you first obtained a category (i.e. your first test)
Its not unknown however for the DVLA to loose details like that so over 11 years you might be unlucky,
Either way you made a booboo by not retaking your test as soon as you were able.
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Cheers Zero
i know i should have just re-sit my test asap, but as time went on and with my good lady driving everywhere we need to go and with her not drinking it just kept going down the list of things to do.
The new provisional i got has 1995 on it, does that give any indication that my new licence might also have the same?
just wondering as my insurance quotes are doubling if i say i'm a 0 years driver and i dont want to be saying i'm a 9+ years diver also if i'm not which no doubt will cause all sorts of doo doo if i have an accident.
also i'm looking at jobs i may need to drive for and alot of them say 1+ years driving, and i dont know if that will effect that.
thanks for your time
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One thing you should check; do not assume that you will get your "grandfather rights" for category C1 (vehicles between 3.5 and 7.5 tonnes) returned by default. If the system assumes that you are a new driver you will be restricted to category B only; you will not therefore have automatic moped entitlement as you did before, and your ability to tow trailers will also be heavily restricted.
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C1 is missing from said provisional.
I did read about this a few years back.
can i get this back or is that just the way it is?
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>> can i get this back or is that just the way it is?
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I'd say that legally speaking your old test pass has been declared null and void by virtue of you having to re-take it. It therefore follows that when you do pass your test it would be under the rules on the day you do so, which means as you say (as did Bruce Hornsby) that that, indeed, is just the way it is.
I suffered similar BTW many years ago; held HGV1 from my army days, got done for drink drive, let my HGV lapse as I was doing other things, then when I did decide to back to lorry driving, had to re-take my test because DVLA had no record of my previous pass; and I of course had handed my old licence in. In the meantime the criteria had changed, you couldn't go straight in as Class 1, so I had to do Category C (the old HGV2) first, never have got round to re-taking my Class 1.
Last edited by: Harleyman on Tue 21 Oct 14 at 20:55
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>> The new provisional i got has 1995 on it, does that give any indication that
>> my new licence might also have the same?
Yes it should do.
>> just wondering as my insurance quotes are doubling if i say i'm a 0 years
>> driver and i dont want to be saying i'm a 9+ years diver also if
>> i'm not which no doubt will cause all sorts of doo doo if i have
>> an accident.
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>> also i'm looking at jobs i may need to drive for and alot of them
>> say 1+ years driving, and i dont know if that will effect that.
Now all that is very ambiguous, there are many different answers to that given your circumstances. How for example can you say you haven't had a conviction in the last 10 years (true) when you haven't held a license in that time, even tho you held a license for 10 years before that time you lost it. Its an insurance minefield.
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>> Now all that is very ambiguous, there are many different answers to that given your
>> circumstances. How for example can you say you haven't had a conviction in the last
>> 10 years (true) when you haven't held a license in that time, even tho you
>> held a license for 10 years before that time you lost it. Its an insurance
>> minefield.
Probably the sort of case where a good broker specialising in disqual cases is a much better bet than risking accusations of prevarication around answers to standard questions on web/comparison sites.
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"If you're disqualified until test pass or extended test pass, to regain your full driving licence you'll need to apply for a provisional driving licence and retake a theory and practical driving test.
Motorcycle riders will need to complete another compulsory basic training (CBT). If you're disqualified until extended test pass, you'll have to sit an extended practical driving test.
To regain your full entitlement to drive all categories of vehicles you previously held, you'll need to pass a test in category A (motorcycle) or B (car).
If you previously held category C (large vehicle) and or D (bus), restoration of entitlement will be subject to the approval of the local traffic commissioner."
From memory DD convictions stay on your licence for 11 years due to the fact that if you are convicted in that time again you suffer a harsher penalty.
"Under section 34(3) of the Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988 a conviction, for specified alcohol related driving offences, is relevant for sentencing for a period of 10 years. However, under the 1974 Act a conviction would be deemed spent after 5 years if a financial penalty or community order was imposed by the Court in addition to the disqualification. If a period of custody was received the conviction would be spent after 7 years. Nonetheless you would still not be entitled to a clean driving licence until 11 years had lapsed from the alcohol related motoring conviction.
Although you have not had a licence for 10 years your DVLA record will still be live. So you will apply for a Provisional and take a test. Your new licence will show your conviction unless it is applied for 11 years after date of conviction.
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> However, under
>> the 1974 Act a conviction would be deemed spent after 5 years if a financial
>> penalty or community order was imposed by the Court in addition to the disqualification. If
>> a period of custody was received the conviction would be spent after 7 years.
That 1974 Act which you refer to isn't anything to do with the Road Traffic Act, Fullchat. It refers to the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act which has no bearing on the driving licence itself, only the length of time for which anyone is obliged to declare a criminal conviction; drink drive and certain other offences come within this category as opposed to the likes of speeding which is actually a civil offence.
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Yeah I know (think Little Britain).
This was copy and paste but I left it incase there were thoughts of not declaring convictions etc citing the 1974 RHO Act.
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my ban started in march 2003 which now is off my licence as per DVLA.
thanks for all your thought and info guys, but as mention somewhere above, i have a local insurance broker at the bottom of our high street, i might go in and ask him for the insurance side of things
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Sounds like Zabaleto the OP has waited until 11+ years before going for a retest so it does not show the driving ban. But I would hope the number of years driving taken into account is from the pass date.
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Surely the most critical thing here is whether the new driver rules apply, as in that case the OP has to be pretty careful to make sure he doesn't amass 6 points in the next two years.
However if the provisional shows 1995 than I can't imagine why the full licence wouldn't?
Regarding insurance, I think I'd be minded to write everything down and make sure the insurance company has a copy.
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>> Surely the
... the point is knowing what the true legal view is including what the DVLA says. What we say is irrelevant.
If I say he goes back to full provisional is based on me thinking that sounds right?
Sometimes people post questions that an online search would answer. In this instance the DVLA need to be asked. And if operator (A) does not know the answer.... ask to speak to their supervisor or similar.
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>> Surely the most critical thing here is whether the new driver rules apply, as in
>> that case the OP has to be pretty careful to make sure he doesn't amass
>> 6 points in the next two years.
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I don't think the new driver rules would apply. They don't in the case of someone who has already lost his entitlement for amassing six in the first two years when he re-passes the test and gets a new licence.
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