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This is entirely my personal opinion and if you're happy with your Hyundai or Kia, well that's fine,
I see these cars as being 2nd rate compared to say GM, Ford, Nissan, VW etc., etc., etc.
I've got an LG DVD recorder, I didn't throw much wonga at it, it does the job but its no Panasonic,
I was watching telly in the waiting room of my local Nissan dealer while my car was being MOT'd last week,
the telly was a Sam song and compared to my Panasonic it was very poor indeed,
Yeah, yeah, yeah - I know Panasonic cost big bucks compared to LG and Samsung but,
I'd rather spend my spondulics on a 2nd hand 1st rate car than any ex cee'dingly good new Korean jobbie.
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Do you still think that Skoda's are crap?
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www.whathifi.com/Review/Samsung-UE46C8000/
Sorry Dog, you're out of date. The significant fact in your comment is not the brand of tv but that it was in your Nissan dealer's waiting room. Do you think they bought it from the premium end of the range or the supermarket end? Did they meticulously set it up or just plug it in?
Samsung are eating a lot of people's lunches, and not just in tvs.
btw - what's this got to do with TG? I just copied the last post over from TG Vol 1 to start Vol 2 - VxFan
JH
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>> Sorry Dog, you're out of date......
Isn't he just............and, getting back on topic, so is TG. The mighty TG trio are stuck in a time warp where they believe everyone will always find entertainment in their antics.....but it is no longer so, apart from the studio audience who do as they are instructed.
Their failure to keep up to date with happenings outside of their aircraft hanger could be no better demonstrated than by their choice of the Kia.
all imho of course ;)
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Hi R and welcome. I thought everyone was background totty spotting while they're in the hangar? You're listening to them? :-)
JH
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>> I thought everyone was background totty spotting while they're in the
>> hangar? You're listening to them? :-)
lol, hmm must be my age, and/or my standards have improved ;)
Cheers
R40
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>> Their failure to keep up to date with happenings outside of their aircraft hanger could
>> be no better demonstrated than by their choice of the Kia.
They will stop when people stop watching it. they havent so they wont.
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>>apart from the studio audience who do as they are instructed.
isn't there something like a 9 month waiting list to be one of the studio audience?
I agree with Zero (now there's a novelty) they will change when people stop watching it which doesn't look too likely at the moment
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>> isn't there something like a 9 month waiting list to be one of the studio
>> audience?
Yes more or less, we had to wait a year and a half before we got a email to say we had been "selected" and then a further email would follow if we where allocated tickets to be used that same week (for the following episode), if we didnt get a email then no tickets where allocated to us - we didnt get a further email.
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My 40" Samsung 1080p LCD TV is now two years old, has never broken down, has stunning picture quality (particularly via PC VGA, Blu-Ray and PS3, and cost £400 less than the equivalent Sony and Panasonic. The sound isn't great, but we knew that when we bought it as it was mentioned in the various (4.5-5 star) reviews. The piano black finish is also lovely.
Did you know that Samsung make the LCD and LED panels for the Apple Cinema displays for the Mac, widely regarded as some of the best computer monitors in existence?
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I'm always willing to learn of course and am far from being rigid in my thinking,
So, when I come to replace my Panasonic I'll look at all makes & models,
But I'll most likely end up with either Sony or Panasonic.
I was admiring a Skoda Octavia estate t'other day - so there's hope for me yet :D
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>>btw - what's this got to do with TG?<<
= Kia, Hyundai, Samsung, LG ~ Korea.
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Don't forget TG is an entertainment show loosely based on motoring, about as believable as the tabloid press.
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I thought it was due to be shown in HD?
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It was, at 10:00. Maybe when the tennis, football, GP and world tiddly winks championships are all over it will be on at 8:00 alongside BBC1.
JH
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>> It was, at 10:00.
damn
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Anyway ... I'm no great fan of TG really, much preferring that car program with the slightly fat used car salesman and the bird with the big attitudes that used to be on men and motors (I haven't got Sky) where they would pick 3 cars for a punter to try out,
I only decided to watch the new TG because of the Reliant Robin 'sketch' as I used to work on those infernal contraptions inc. the Rebel, Regal and the Scimitar (which was a different animal of course)
I found the RR sketch absolutely hilarious and I was actually quite gobsmacked when Clarkie first rolled the critter,
and the more he rolled it the more I larfed out loud, so, although I see the TG team as a bunch of overpaid wallies (like the England team), I shall be watching TG again.
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Something in that Robin sketch appealed to my most fundamental, basic sense of humour. I was in tears by the end of it. Fantastic!
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>> Something in that Robin sketch appealed to my most fundamental, basic sense of humour. I was in tears by the end of it. Fantastic!
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Ditto.......one of the funniest things i've seen in years. I knew JC was going to tip the thing over, that much was obvious....it was the fact he didn't even wait until he was fully out of the car park....
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Clearly the plastic pig was fitted out with roll bar, but it took some guts to keep doing that..
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>> Clearly the plastic pig was fitted out with roll bar, but it took some guts
>> to keep doing that..
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I'm not going to get all 'po faced' about it...but it did surprise me that it was all done on public roads.
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>> fitted out with roll bar, but it took some guts to keep doing that..
I dunno. I reckon I'd do it now on a good day. Mind you it can't be difficult.
People used to roll their dads' brand new swing-axle Beetles when I were a nipper. No roll cage or anything like that. Another, one of my nearest and dearest to this day, had a head-on in North Oxford after carelessly falling asleep at the wheel. Lost part of a front tooth, wrote off his mother's Minor 1000.
Mind you, that sort of thing took real gung-ho stupidity and incompetence. Heh heh.
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>> Anyway ... I'm no great fan of TG really, much preferring that car program with
>> the slightly fat used car salesman and the bird with the big attitudes that used
>> to be on men and motors
is that Mike Brewer, I have recently discovered "Wheeler Dealers" (Mike Brewer and Edd China) on Discovery RT and Turbo even SWMBO has got into it.
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>>is that Mike Brewer, I have recently discovered "Wheeler Dealers<<
Is that him en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Brewer_%28television_presenter%29
I thought he was a lot 'heavier' than that pic.
The program I meant was where he and his rather nice partner in grime pick out 3 cars for a punter to buy, and he has to pick 2 out of the 3 and then usually ends up buying one of them.
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Ah in the programme that you mention, i know thats not Mike Brewer, (in the link it is MB)
I cant remember the name of the programme off hand but it has been repeated on Discovery Turbo, but its not Mike Brewer, but im sure he also did a simaler one a few years ago now.
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>> Ah in the programme that you mention, i know thats not Mike Brewer, (in the
>> link it is MB)
Used Car Roadshow presented by Jason Dawe (the big one!) and Penny Mallory (the good looking one!) Think he's a bit bigger than Mike Brewer and seems to have got bigger as the years progress!!
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>>Used Car Roadshow presented by Jason Dawe (the big one!)<<
That's the one, thanx ~ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Dawe_%28TV_presenter%29
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>> Used Car Roadshow presented by Jason Dawe
He was in series one of TG (when it was first revamped) before being replaced with James May from series two onwards.
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ive never seen series 1 (revamped) I reintroduced my self to the new series from Series 3 (as i really liked the original format)
I dont think its even repeated on "Dave".
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No they don't go back far enough... probably think that theres no demand!
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I cant remember the name of the programme off hand but it has been repeated on Discovery Turbo<<
The other thing I liked about that program was that I liked the 2 hosts of the show,
They came over as genuine folk like, and I'd gladly buy a motor from them :D
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I prefered it when they were out and about (often at Classic Car Shows)... it wasn't as good when they went indoors and tried to copy TG and Fifth Gear bay using the hanger/live audience format...
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I habve an LG 22" 108p TV/monitor it cost me £199 a year ago. Its very good for the price but its not as good as a 22" Sony one at £300, and the Sony is probably not as good as a £300 LG 22" one.
As for brands all my HIFI is either Japaneese or British but its nearly all made in China.
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There ya go ~ www.youtube.com/watch?v=upf_hOXiQ8E
Jason Dawe & Co on the used car roadshow.
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How long has top gear been running now? It amazes me how much older they look when I see early episodes of the show, like Tony Blair when he won the election and then later was replaced by Gordon Brown. I don't think that any of them are in the habit of looking after themselves, apart from maybe Richard Hammond, though that big accident seemed to add a few lines to his face.
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and has seemed to make him desire really poncy hairstyles.
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>> How long has top gear been running now?
The current TG started in 2002
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Just watching it now - laughed at life imitating art and JC pulling faces driving a Bentley that made him look like a dyspeptic Wilderbeest....
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Just like in Top Deer you mean ;-)
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"the bird with the big attitudes " Penny: a good example why young is less good than older!
I would!
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Samsung, over the years, has had a long and distinguished joint partnership with Sony and its products are at least equally as good as that brand. It's only recently that Samsung elected to go with new partners.
As for the Cee'd, as I mentioned in another thread, it's regarded as being a rather good car these days; the Kia Pride (re-badged Mazda 323) was also quite respectable at the time.
Casually dismissing such products as inferior displays an apparent lack of knowledge or experience of them.
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Casually dismissing such products as inferior displays an apparent lack of knowledge or experience of them.
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go into your local tv type shop if you have one and mention your on off switch has failed on your samsung and see what responce you get
then try the same sentence but change samsung for sony
now ring your local factor up and tell him you want a so and so for a kia and wait for the responce and price
then try the same but tell him its for a vauxhall or ford even and see if its in stock and how much is it
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You've seen an on/off switch on a Samsung?! Luxury! I bought a Samsung DVD player and, for the money it was a good piece of kit. I was amazed how they had come on since I connected up a Samsung VCR for a neighbour about 30 years ago. At that time I think you could only buy them from Dixons and they were cheap rubbish.
So I emailed Samsung, complimented them on the product and suggested that in their march towards world supremacy;
I'd really like an on / off switch not an on / standby switch.
Was it necessary to burn out the blue receptors in my retina with an LED on the on / standby switch that was so bright it cast blue shadows when watching a DVD in the dark (I'm not joking).
Could I have a manual written in English please, not Korean English? The Japanese sorted that one 25 years ago.
You can imagine the reply.
Anyway, I've since bought a Samsung monitor for my pc. Great monitor, utterly useless software with it, but fortunately unnecessary. Rubbish controls, but how often do you tweak them?
JH
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>>..go into your local tv type shop ..>>
My best mate owned and ran a local independent audio/visual/appliances outlet for many years until he retired a year or two back.
There' are few makes and models of TVs I haven't seen in action over that time, that's why I'm a Panasnic fan and have a TX-P42G20..:-)
But most makes, just like cars, have their common faults and any good retailer's work shop engineers will know them off by heart.
I've already hinted in the past in another thread about such problems with Sony, so I'm fully aware of the situation...:-)
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>>the Kia Pride (re-badged Mazda 323) <<
Er, no. It was a re-badged Mazda 121 as it happens and also came as a 5dr which the 121 didnt, atleast not the 121 that the Pride was based on. Hate to be picky but :-)
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And to be really pendantic wasn't the Mazda 121 actually a right hand drive version of the Ford Festiva?
www.edmunds.com/pictures/VEHICLE/1991/Ford/5853/1991.ford.festiva.3609-396x249.jpg
I think Ford actually helped setup Kia.
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No Rattle, that version of the 121 was launched some years before the Festiva - the Festiva, like the Pride was a rebadged version of the 121.
Kia started making cars in 1974 - they went into partnership with Ford in 1986, so not quite, but they have worked together.
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Yep according to Wiki the Ford Festiva was actually built by Kia and not Mazda :).
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Isnt this rather like fighting over which dog left a nasty brown pile n the pavement?
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I rented a Ford Festiva as a runabout in Sydney a few years ago, It was one of these.
www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=9407&vf=18
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Well, ain't that a wonderful looking thing :-P
Rather have a Holden.
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>> Rather have a Holden.
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Me too but not worth it for a couple of days city use. I rented a Toyota Camry when I moved on to Perth.
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>>..It was a re-badged Mazda 121 ..>>
You're quite right. Just a senior moment thingy..:-)
Wouldn't mind, but I once drove a Press car example from the North West across to Huddersfield and then on to London and back in a day (I had to pick someone up on the way), so I should remember.
As I stated, it was quite a creditable motor at the time.
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>>Samsung, over the years, has had a long and distinguished joint partnership with Sony and its products are at least equally as good as that brand.<<
Is that why my learned friend pointed his money towards an £800+ Panasonic 42" Plasma?
Re: TG ...
Suzuki Baleno.
Chevrolet Lacetti.
Kia Cee'd.
Do I detect a common theme :D
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>>Is that why my learned friend pointed his money towards an £800+ Panasonic 42" Plasma?>>
Er, no. I didn't want to add another LCD TV, but acquire one of the best plasma model(s) on the market...:-)
There are many reasons for choosing a top class plasma set, not least being a natural. true to life display and superior handling of motion.
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Re: James May's challenge to get up close and personal with a Volcano..
Seems he did end up getting too close and personal. The rear tyre of the Toyota wasn't the only thing to get scorched.
tinyurl.com/32jdk4f (links to a tabloid newspaper)
The article goes on to say:-
"James, Jeremy, and Richard want to curb the wacky stunts on the show, which pulls in 350million viewers worldwide.
Richard nearly killed himself in 2006 in a jet-car. James added: We decided we had to rein in on the complete tomfoolery. It’s like drinking in the pub – there’s a point that you think you are still funny but everyone else is finding you a bit wearing.”
Personally I find the challenges far more entertaining on the whole than all the crap stuff they do in the studio (ie, cool wall, z list celeb in a reasonably priced car, etc)
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Serves him right, the last thing i would do is try and pee on a volcano, the damn thing is angry enough as it is.
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>>Serves him right
I agree. Messing around with something as unpredictable as that is playing with fire :-P
If it decides to get a bit more active, you don't really have a chance in hell.
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>> Personally I find the challenges far more entertaining on the whole than all the crap
>> stuff they do in the studio (ie, cool wall, z list celeb in a reasonably
>> priced car, etc)
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Could not agree more, SIARPC is the time I go and replenish my Glass and raid the fridge.
Dont mind the news bit so much
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>> >> Personally I find the challenges far more entertaining on the whole than all the
>> crap
>> >> stuff they do in the studio (ie, cool wall, z list celeb in a
>> reasonably
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>> Could not agree more, SIARPC is the time I go and replenish my Glass and
>> raid the fridge.
>> Dont mind the news bit so much
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I find the three stooges rather embarrassing to watch, now.
TG is a programme I always record so that I can FF through, what I consider to be, the tedious matter.
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was it cold in the ground this morning Oldgit?? ;-)
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>> was it cold in the ground this morning Oldgit?? ;-)
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Good God, are you Lenny Henry, that very unfunny TV bloke. However, you ARE a wit - sorry that was a typo, I mean't a TWIT!!!
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I missed this episode
Does GC look any better in this ?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFMWJMZfNig
What did GITS say to the guest driver?
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>> What's this GC lark ?
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It Should be JC
JC = Jeremy Clarkson
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I think Clarkson is wrong...a Brazilian is a strip not a triangle, I believe...
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known as a "Back, crack and sack"
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Now I know most of the TG challenges are staged, but how on earth did they manage to get permission to allow JC to drive his unstable Citroen towerblock on the public highway?
It was more unstable than the Reliant Robin he drove a couple of weeks earlier.
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Probably streams of paperwork and red tape. there is no way without that they would be on the motorway otherwise (im guessing) the police would have been there pretty sharpish
(they where when my exhaust fell of my Renault Laguna once - quicker than the AA)
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I did wonder that myself. I suspect out of cameras view there was a fleet of emergency vehicles. I also wonder if any damage was caused when it hit the petrol station.
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And how are they allowed to push cars over cliff edges... they will never fully clean up the mess.
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The vehicle JC drove would actually be stable driven in a straight line, without a crosswind.
However given a very slight rocking of the steering wheel by half an inch from side to side it would appear as it did in the programme:)
Regarding the legality of it, when do you ever see a Police car on a motorway or A road anyway?
Controlled wobble anyone?
Pat
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I just caught up with the last 3 weeks Top Gear yesterday.
In the one with the Aston, Panamera etc, they drive through a tunnel and you can see at the back of JC, who was at the rear, the distinct flashing of blue lights on the tunnel sides.
I am guessing the plod held back other drivers to let them do their bit.
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>> I also wonder if any damage was caused when it hit the petrol station.
The canopy was only given a light tap, so probably no damage was caused other than cosmetic.
I still laugh when I go past the Texaco garage on the A31 at Ringwood and see the concrete post that they hit when they did the caravan challenge a couple of years ago.
tinyurl.com/2cy5gjr
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That beach btw, where they went surfing, was Polzeath = luvly beach, my German byrd Margot had a plaice by the sea just on the clifftop in New Polzeath (mucho Shekels)
I'm quite enjoying this ere new TG, a bit Pythonesque, but I like that, see,
The Citroen @ the bottom of the cliff will be cleared up with no expense spared thanks to you, the licence fee payer.
:)
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>> The Citroen @ the bottom of the cliff will be cleared up
It all seemed to have been shovelled up and placed in the studio next to the Lotus and Land Rover for the closing piece to camera. Headlights don't work any more though.
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I got the impression that it was just an effect and the car didn't actually fall off that clip. Maybe I need to watch it in HD.
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I watched it on my normal 32" CRT - the sound exactly matched the CX's movements, which it shouldn't have done from that distance.
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>>Headlights don't work any more though.<<
No doubt it'll end up on ebay sooner or later :)
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>> The Citroen @ the bottom of the cliff will be cleared up with no expense
>> spared thanks to you, the licence fee payer.
Which to be fair is still (possibly) cheap TV programming - far less expensive than filming a period drama for instance.
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One can't imagine they actually pushed the darn thing over the cliff surely? Obvious cgi.
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>>Which to be fair is still (possibly) cheap TV programming<<
Absolutely but, there is too much money being wasted in these mega corps, public AND private,
I enjoy the beeb daily - Radio 4/5/World Service/Radio Cornwall/ and TV with no adverts!
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>>how on earth did they manage to get permission to allow JC to drive his unstable Citroen towerblock on the public highway?
I don't see that they would have needed any. As long as the vehicle bodywork fits within the allowable envelope, the vehicle isn't overloaded, there are no sharp edges, there are no illegal cominations of lamps, I don't see a problem. You can bolt bodywork onto the back of chassis cab vans in a fairly ad-hoc way, and I don't see a massive difference here.
Getting the OK from the vehicle's insurers will, I imagine, be the largest difficulty - or, does the BBC self insure?
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In one shot this car was going along a country road ploughing through tree branches that were affecting the stability. Can you imagine that thing landing in your front garden. The body might have fitted, but the centre of gravity was well out. An accident waiting to happen. And if you believe the bit when the thing toppled over in the wind, then I prove my point.
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Don't you think it had ballast in the back, placed very low down on the deck?
Pat
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I only watched this last night as we were busy on Sunday and so recorded it. I have to say that I haven't laughed at a Top Gear challenge as much as I laughed at this one. Absolutely hilarious and I don't care if every moment of it was scripted and set up. It was superb entertainment.
I can't imagine for a moment that the BBC would have allowed JC to drive that Citroen on the public road if there was the slightest risk of it causing injury to somebody else. The subsequent fall-out would be far too damaging to the corporation's highest earning programme.
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It was very funny, and the style of the 'addition' to the CX was entirely in keeping with the car. Very clever.
Of course it didn't blow over in the wind (the big crane will have pushed it over as well as pick it up) and of course all the fluids would have been drained before they spontaneously pushed it over the cliff. Still very funny, though.
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Very silly and annoying I thought.
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Amusing but I thought it was a waste of a good Lotus excel. That car was on Pistonheads for about 4k IIRC.
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Just heard from the man himself, that Tom Cruise was with the TG team as the star in a reasonably priced car. So probably on this coming Sunday.
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Two stars apparently over here promoting a film that flopped in the States. It's Tom Cruise and Cameron Diaz. They will only be on because of the film. The film apparently took less in the States than it cost to make.
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I'd rather they get Hamilton back... just to see how fast he can do the track in the dry!
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And apparently Stig takes the new Veyron round the track as well....
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The Top Gear discussion thread - Vol 2 - Old Navy
