Motoring Discussion > Jaguar X-Type Estate - Car dilemma
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New Sat 14 Dec 13 00:18 
 Jaguar X-Type Estate - Car dilemma - Westpig
What to do?

Wifey's car is now coming up for 9 years old and it's starting to cost me money (recent bills: brake overhaul; crank shaft damper kit; EGR valve bypassed because it was all blocked up; rear wiper unit overhauled; rear parking sensor unit replaced; and a few bits and bobs).

The next thing is going to be either the turbo or fuel pump as there's an intermittent warning light (coiled wire) and it will occasionally cut out after harsh acceleration.

I don't really want to spend any money on a newer car..because..we're channelling all our funds into a recent house we purchased and have a load of things we want to do with that...

..plus, believe it or not for a car man, we both actually really like the current car and there's nothing really out there that we want, other than an XF Sportbrake, which is still silly money.

We use this car as the main car...it's been fastidiously maintained, looks immaculate (I spent £800 on it 2 years ago having the paintwork and wheels tarted up), drives very well, has 82,000 miles on the clock, looks good in dark blue with beige leather and wood, fairly economical (2.0 diesel with a re-map) and is a high spec car.

So, do I cut and run and buy what in reality would be a 'make do' car..or keep paying the bills on the old one?

I can't make my mind up.

We'd need a diesel estate if we changed, something with reasonable grunt, auto if possible and high spec. Keeping up with the Jones's isn't on our agenda at all..but..it would have to be something 'nice'.

The only thing that would vaguely rock my boat is something like a 525d tourer..but..I cannot allow myself to buy a car with a LHD set up only for the wipers that would irritate (must be my OCD) and the ride comfort is dreadful, even if you binned the run flat tyres.

Decisions. decisions.
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New Sat 14 Dec 13 00:26 
 Jaguar X-Type Estate - Car dilemma - legacylad
A6 Avant with 3.0Tdi power. Use a professional auction buyer and dispose of the X Type either via Ebay or BCA SureSell? A pal of mine is on his third A6 Avant in succession and rates them very highly.
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New Sat 14 Dec 13 00:37 
 Jaguar X-Type Estate - Car dilemma - rtj70
>> I spent £800 on it 2 years ago having the paintwork and wheels tarted up

Money well spent? Sell it on if worth more than the typical car.
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New Sat 14 Dec 13 09:57 
 Jaguar X-Type Estate - Car dilemma - Westpig
>> A6 Avant with 3.0Tdi power. Use a professional auction buyer and dispose of the X
>> Type either via Ebay or BCA SureSell? A pal of mine is on his third
>> A6 Avant in succession and rates them very highly.
>>

Fair point, they're good cars...good prices as well, but you can't have it all ways.
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New Sat 14 Dec 13 00:50 
 Jaguar X-Type Estate - Car dilemma - Avant
Trouble is, you won't get much if you flog the X-type, and if you don't want to spend much money, you risk buying something, say a similar vintage Audi, that hasn't been looked after in the way that you've looked after yours.

I'd say keep it until you can afford something much newer - perhaps when there are 2-year-old XF Sportbrakes in the market.
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New Sat 14 Dec 13 02:38 
 Jaguar X-Type Estate - Car dilemma - Armel Coussine
'Two Jags' Westpig eh? Many would be envious as they were of John Prescott when Private Eye gave him that nickname.

Sounds to me as if you should grit your teeth, make the X-Type legal and properly driveable, surely not a fortune? I know you're finicky about appearance but it's herself's jalopy isn't it? Chuck a bucket of grey primer over it and forget it.

That way you keep a useful old friend and save money. Unless someone offers you a still-sprauncy unmarked pursuit car surplus to requirements for a bargain price of course. Loyalty has its limits.
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New Sat 14 Dec 13 09:57 
 Jaguar X-Type Estate - Car dilemma - Westpig
>> Unless someone offers you
>> a still-sprauncy unmarked pursuit car surplus to requirements for a bargain price of course. Loyalty
>> has its limits.
>>

Very topical AC. What clowns, they all got the sack.
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New Sat 14 Dec 13 10:10 
 Jaguar X-Type Estate - Car dilemma - borasport

>>
>> Very topical AC. What clowns, they all got the sack.
>>
Ah, the boys from Hutton. Is this one of those things that used to happen everywhere once upon a time, or were they deliberately risking there careers for a cheap 2nd hand car. Or did they just expect a slap on the wrists if they got caught?
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New Sat 14 Dec 13 07:09 
 Jaguar X-Type Estate - Car dilemma - Duncan
>> What to do?


>> I can't make my mind up.


>> Decisions. decisions.


What is the 'Cost to change'?

You have had to replace a few bits and pieces. So? the bills aren't ridiculous, are they? Or are they?

What is it, a 2005 car?

Keep it.

Generally speaking, better the Devil you know etc. I would think that there is probably another five years left in the car, unless, of course, you have money that is burning a hole in your pocket?
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New Sat 14 Dec 13 08:39 
 Jaguar X-Type Estate - Car dilemma - Gromit
Have you cause to suspect turbo/fuel pump failure, or is it fear they *may* fail based on age?

I'd have a good garage diagnose the 'coiled' warning light, price a repair for whatever that is and decide on that basis. Imminent big bill = get rid.

But, a turbo, pump or EGR could go just as easily on any middle-aged diesel you'd replace the Jag with. Worst case, even if Jag had a breakdown that was uneconomic to repair in the future, every month it runs for is another few hundred in depreciation/car loan you haven't had to bear the cost of.
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New Sat 14 Dec 13 08:50 
 Jaguar X-Type Estate - Car dilemma - Baz
Completely agree Gromit. Westpig, as Gromit says, despite the increased bills, it's still cheaper to run this one until a catastrophic failure which may never happen. And the most important thing-you like the car, which gives you the motivation to put up with a bit of hassle and cost now and again. It's hardly ever cheaper to change your car, it's a myth. Yes it feels better emotionally if it's been a nightmare and maybe a newer one will have some warranty as comfort ( but that won't cover the most common expenses!)
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New Sat 14 Dec 13 08:50 
 Jaguar X-Type Estate - Car dilemma - Bromptonaut
>> I'd have a good garage diagnose the 'coiled' warning light, price a repair for whatever
>> that is and decide on that basis. Imminent big bill = get rid.

I'd second that. Better still if there a Jag specialist accessible to you. Get them to give car a general checkover for other stuff too.

Might cost you a few quid but subject to that spend you could keep it going for another 4-5 yrs.
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New Sat 14 Dec 13 10:10 
 Jaguar X-Type Estate - Car dilemma - Westpig
>> Have you cause to suspect turbo/fuel pump failure, or is it fear they *may* fail
>> based on age?
>>
>> I'd have a good garage diagnose the 'coiled' warning light, price a repair for whatever
>> that is and decide on that basis. Imminent big bill = get rid.

See reply at 1007...my brother is good to me on his rates as well.
>>
>> But, a turbo, pump or EGR could go just as easily on any middle-aged diesel
>> you'd replace the Jag with. Worst case, even if Jag had a breakdown that was
>> uneconomic to repair in the future, every month it runs for is another few hundred
>> in depreciation/car loan you haven't had to bear the cost of.

Makes sense
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New Sat 14 Dec 13 10:07 
 Jaguar X-Type Estate - Car dilemma - Westpig
>> You have had to replace a few bits and pieces. So? the bills aren't ridiculous,
>> are they? Or are they?

No, not yet...and my brother has the local rural garage. The recent warning light has been on the diagnostic machine and it's showing a fuel supply problem, which they 'think' might be the turbo or more likely, fuel pump. They've changed the fuel filter first, as it's a cheap option..but I'm not holding my horses on that one.
>>
>> What is it, a 2005 car?

Yes, Jan 2005, '54' plate (on a private plate anyway). We've virtually had it from new, ex-demo that we managed to get earlier than the manufacturer stipulation of 3 months old and 3,000 miles(1,800 miles 6 weeks old, because I negotiated having their demo car to go on holiday, as I'd be buying it as soon as Jag would allow them to sell it).
>>
>> Keep it.
>>
>> Generally speaking, better the Devil you know etc. I would think that there is probably
>> another five years left in the car

I'm leaning that way....

, unless, of course, you have money that is
>> burning a hole in your pocket?

I don't actually. The cash flow I had in the smoke is no more, I started a new business a year ago, which I'm trying to build up and not currently take a salary out of..and we've got a load of things to do in/out of our house...so my priorities aren't really the car, other than not throwing money down the drain.
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New Sat 14 Dec 13 09:19 
 Jaguar X-Type Estate - Car dilemma - Victorbox
Only 82,000 miles and it's starting to fail. I thought diesels were good for 300,000 miles, especially an upmarket model? I'd keep it and budget for a few hundred pounds worth of repairs a year - probably £50 a month saved will cover them.
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New Sat 14 Dec 13 10:02 
 Jaguar X-Type Estate - Car dilemma - Runfer D'Hills
I think I'd fix and keep. Mildly surprised it's giving problems though.

Anything you buy to replace it ( at similar money ) is at least at equal risk of needing attention.

Or, raid the er, um, piggy bank and buy something new/er.

Might ( possibly not sure... ) have mentioned this before but my Mondeo only needed two new headlamp bulbs in nearly 200,000 miles apart from normal servicing and tyres/brake pads etc.

Maybe Jaguar didn't include some of the better bits from the Mondeo and put cheap chrome ones on instead...

;-)


Fix and keep, deffo my advice. Chain cam engine, comfy, looks ok, economical, spacious, goes well, and you know it's history.
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New Sat 14 Dec 13 10:17 
 Jaguar X-Type Estate - Car dilemma - Westpig
>> I think I'd fix and keep. Mildly surprised it's giving problems though.

See my 1015
>>
>> Anything you buy to replace it ( at similar money ) is at least at
>> equal risk of needing attention.

Yes

>>
>> Might ( possibly not sure... ) have mentioned this before but my Mondeo only needed
>> two new headlamp bulbs in nearly 200,000 miles apart from normal servicing and tyres/brake pads
>> etc.
>>
>> Maybe Jaguar didn't include some of the better bits from the Mondeo and put cheap
>> chrome ones on instead...
>>
>> ;-)

Nothing like kicking a man when he's down...;-)
>>
>>
>> Fix and keep, deffo my advice. Chain cam engine, comfy, looks ok, economical, spacious, goes
>> well, and you know it's history.

Definitely leaning that way
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New Sat 14 Dec 13 10:15 
 Jaguar X-Type Estate - Car dilemma - Westpig
>> Only 82,000 miles and it's starting to fail. I thought diesels were good for 300,000
>> miles, especially an upmarket model?

I'd have hoped so..however, the reality is I drive it to its full capacity...and 4 or 5 years ago I had it re-mapped for more performance (which was well worth it), so I can't have it all ways.

I'd keep it and budget for a few hundred pounds
>> worth of repairs a year - probably £50 a month saved will cover them.

Good advice I suspect
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New Sat 14 Dec 13 10:25 
 Jaguar X-Type Estate - Car dilemma - ....
Agree with the others, unless you are buying something which you know to be substantially newer or better stick with what you know and spend what it needs when it needs it.
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