By light trucks I mean up to 7.5t gross.
I've always had C1 on my licence, but here in Sweden there has never been a C1 category, until now, when I guess they've had to get in line with EU licence rules. But for a regular C truck driver, I understand there are various training obligations, over and above the actual test for cat. C, that are done on an ongoing basis.
So my question is, if someone (like me) wants to actually drive a small truck with C1 licence as a job, are there any other requirements that have to be met?
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I am sure you know more about this than me, but isn't there now a compulsory that all EU drivers need to pass by I think next year? Forgotten the name of it but I think it applies to all professional drivers from courier deliveries to bus drivers.
Hopefully Pat will be here soon to answer your question :)>
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>> So my question is, if someone (like me) wants to actually drive a small truck
>> with C1 licence as a job, are there any other requirements that have to be
>> met?
No. When I went to go and claim my 60 quid a week JSA, they offered me loads of jobs because I had a license of the right vintage (ie the C1)
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It's called the Drivers Certificate of Professional Competence. (DCPC)
It means you have to have 35 hours of classroom type training in a 5 year period, or seven hours a year is the easy way to do it.
There is no pass or fail and no exam but there is a requirement to attend and no trainer worth his or her salt will allow you to sleep through it!
Having said that, the requirements for you as a C licence holder to have it are complex and usually I find you wouldn't need it.
Occasional drivers don't need it...
The general rule of thumb is to look at this scenario: A scaffolder drives his lorry loaded with scaffolding to a site and stays there to erect the scaffolding and drives back to base....he doesn't need a DCPC
However, if he unloads the scaffolding and then goes on to deliver some more to another site then he does.
Hope this helps but I could really do with more info to be more specific:)
What country?
What job?
How often?
Pat
Last edited by: pda on Wed 23 Oct 13 at 17:12
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It's called the CPC apparently, but it seems it only applies to Large Goods Vehicles.
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I'm confused totally now Dave:)
I assumed you wanted to upgrade with talking of a Category C Licence
>>Large vehicles
Category C
You can drive vehicles over 3,500kg (with a trailer up to 750kg).<<
Pat
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The situation is, Sweden has only ever had C category, ie big trucks, but they've recently introduced C1 and C1E. Therefore there has been a bit of interest with companies that run trucks locally for stuff like parcels, bread etc, as until now they've either had to have a large van, or a 'real' truck with the costs of a real driver etc.
I'm looking for a little part time work, so was wondering what I could drive with my standard C1 licence, and if I would be cheaper to hire than a 'real' truck driver.
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On that basis, I think you certainly would be!
Pat
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I'm not trying to be funny did you ask anybody in Sweden about the regulations.I presume you speak Swedish.
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Who Dave, Dutchie ? - he lives there.
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Not sure how this works but I have C1 - up to 7500kg and also C1+E1 which is up to 7500kg plus trailer over 750kg up to max combined weight of 12000kg. I passed my test in 1977.
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Bromp - does your C1E entitlement have a 107 endorsement? If so, you're limited to 8250kg train weight not 12000kg. With a 107 endorsement a licence holder can drive a 7500kg vehicle pulling a trailer of not more than 750kg, or a 6500kg vehicle pulling a trailer of not more than 1750kg (e.g. like Burstwick of Hull, who run downrated Mercedes 6.5t beavertails with one 1500kg caravan lashed to the flatbed and another being towed behind it). More realistically one can drive a Transit-size van pulling a hefty trailer, such as our 3500kg open-back car transporters with flat 2800kg trailers, although a tachograph, O-licence and official operating centre is needed for any combination with a Maximum Authorised Mass of over 3500kg.
Dave - The 35 hours' DCPC training Pat is talking about needs to be completed by 10 Sept 2016 in most of Europe (by 10 Sept 2014 in the UK). It is commonly taken in 5 chunks of 7 hours each (i.e. 5 single days' training). Most reputable employers would want to see a potential employee at least making a bit of effort towards getting their training done...
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The simple answer is to have a look here to determine what you can and can't drive!
www.gov.uk/old-driving-licence-categories
Don't forget to check when your licence was first issued.
(It's called ars* covering Dave!)
Pat
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Good site Pat. Inevitably it raises a question for me.
My licence shows B, BE, C1, C1E, D1, D1E,fklnp
I can find all of those except n. The nearest mention is "N category vehicles (exempt from duty) keep the same category letter."
What is N I wonder? Electric forklifts or something?
Edit: Google before posting! Looks like I may drive a steam roller amongst others.
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Don't think that is so, you can drive a traction engine, but a road roller has a separate test and from what I understand, they are actually harder to drive than you'd think. No brakes, and do you put the pin in? (and if you have no idea what I mean, you should not be driving one!).
There are a host of surprising things one can drive, not for hire or reward. You can drive an old double decker bus as long as there are fewer than 8 people aboard. If you wanted to drive a Routemaster - you can!
Also pre 60 (I think that's the year) lorries as long as they are unloaded. WW2 tank transporter without tank - yes.
Somewhere on the Federation of British Historic Vehicle club's website there is a listing of the interesting things one can drive.
One that is isn't though, if you passed your car test on or after 19th January this year, you can't drive my three wheeler - it's become a motorbike, and one now has to go through the lengthy motorbike tests (plural) to drive something with a steering wheel. Law will change for the UK only, so the date of test pass will still be relevant.
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I'm ok with the C1 entitling me to 7500kg, I was just wondering about any extra requirements, ie. the driver training. Because I can't find where it says it's only a requirement for above 7500, or a requirement for any truck, light, small, large or heavy.
The whole thing has all got a bit confusing now - max weight, permissible weight, train weight, etc, and LGV used to be Light Goods Vehicle, but now means Large Goods Vehicle. And don't even look at the motorcycle stuff.
As the C1 is new here, there are no endorsements, so I guess here I can take the full 12000 with trailer, or only 8250 in England.
My friend here swapped his UK licence for a swedish one some years back, but as there was no C1 or D1 here at the time, they gave him full C+E and D+E instead!
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>> ie. the driver training. Because I can't find where it says it's only a requirement for above 7500,>>
That's because you do need it (subject to the requirements I listed above) if you have a C1 licence.
Pat
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This is all for LARGE goods vehicles and large PSVs (with passengers on board) C or E
AFAIK (based on the jobs I have been offered and those friends have taken) you don't need DCPC for C1 or E1.
A digicard is a whole new kettle of fishes tho. No-ones mentioned that yet. Think the requirement for a digicard and tacho kicks in if the whole rig (including trailer) is over 3.5 tonnes and you are earning in any way from driving it. This has caught out many people hauling cars around on Ifor williams trailers for a bit of pin money.
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Been waiting ages to say this...Z, you are WRONG!
Pat
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perhaps I have been offered jobs under acquired rights.
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I can do you a 5 day intensive crash course at a good price;)
On second thoughts...do I really want to?
Pat
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>> I can do you a 5 day intensive crash course at a good price;)
I could teach you to crash.
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That site has lots of info about lorry driving, but doesn't always make it clear if it is about LGV or small trucks.
For instance, on the page about becoming a lorry driver it says: "If you want to drive a bus or lorry for a living you’ll also need to complete the Driver Certificate of Professional Competence (Driver CPC)"
Then underneath it says - "For driver licensing, lorries are called Large Goods Vehicles (LGVs) and buses or coaches are called Passenger Carrying Vehicles (PCVs)"
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What happened to Zero's note describing anonymous thumb givers?
Was it deleted for some reason?
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>> What happened to Zero's note describing anonymous thumb givers?
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>> Was it deleted for some reason?
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I guess one of the thumb givers also has a wand
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>> This is all for LARGE goods vehicles and large PSVs (with passengers on board) C or D
>> AFAIK (based on the jobs I have been offered and those friends have taken) you don't need DCPC for C1 or D1.
You do, I need it. I drive C1 or C1E every day, never anything bigger.
Last edited by: Dave_TiD on Sat 26 Oct 13 at 22:42
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>> Bromp - does your C1E entitlement have a 107 endorsement? If so, you're limited to
>> 8250kg train weight not 12000kg. With a 107 endorsement a licence holder can drive a
>> 7500kg vehicle pulling a trailer of not more than 750kg, or a 6500kg vehicle pulling
>> a trailer of not more than 1750kg (e.g. like Burstwick of Hull, who run downrated
>> Mercedes 6.5t beavertails with one 1500kg caravan lashed to the flatbed and another being towed
The weights I quoted are those on the back of my paper licence which was last re-issued when I moved house in 1998. The categories have changed at least twice since then so, if they were not 'grandfathered' then I've lost them.
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