If they are both same company, why one offers 5-yr compared to another's 7-yr warranty.
Although there is a slight twist. Kia's one is 7-yr or 100k miles where as Hyundai gives 5-yr/unlimited mileage.
Is it inentional so that they can see how their components (as most parts are shared) are wearing over long term low usage and short term high usage?
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Marketing.
Kia USA - 10 years/100,000 miles
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Basic rule is the longer the warranty the less you would be prepared to buy the car without it
Woiuld anyone buy a Hyundai or a Kia without the long warranty?
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>> Woiuld anyone buy a Hyundai or a Kia without the long warranty?
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If i was going to buy a new/nearly new mainstream car it would be one or t'other.
I'll have faith in other makes when they follow suit..won't hold me breath though.
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Long warranties on Korean cars aren't an indication of reliability, they are an indication that nobody would buy one a Korean car without one. In nearly every other respect they are less desirable than European cars.
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In nearly every other respect they
>> are less desirable than European cars.
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To you maybe so, not for thousands of others including me though i don't own one...yet.
This anti attitude was around many years ago when Japanese motorcycles and indeed cars were sneered at, don't hear that too often now.
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But why do thousands buy Korean cars?
Is it the styling?
Is it the perfomance?
Is it the build quality?
Is it for innovative technology
Is it to impress the neighbours?
No none of those things - its because they are relatively cheap and have a long warranty. They have a long warranty and are cheap because otherwise they would not sell.
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...don't hear that too often now...
Non-mainstream Japanese cars are not generally desirable - Daihatsu - and the Korean stuff will be some way behind.
The trade's reluctance to pay decent money for these cars is only a reflection of what the public will pay.
You only have to look at the bother Stu had with his Charade.
Funny make, stupid colour = very difficult sale.
And that's a supermini which is the easiest to sell segment.
The Kia Ceed is in many respects a nice car, but it is inferior to a Focus in every respect...
...except the warranty.
Which it has to have, otherwise it would not sell.
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>> Long warranties on Korean cars aren't an indication of reliability they are an indication that
>> nobody would buy one a Korean car without one. In nearly every other respect they
>> are less desirable than European cars.
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It helped clinch the deal when my folks got their ceed (compared to some others they were trying), but there is nowt wrong with the ceed:
Nice 1.6 diesel
Good equipment levels
Decent asking price.
Joe
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I would bet that the KIA knockers are badge snobs who have never driven one / wouldn't be seen dead in one. I find the Ceed a much nicer drive than the Focus I used to own and the build quality is better.
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>> I would bet that the KIA knockers are badge snobs who have never driven one
>> / wouldn't be seen dead in one. I find the Ceed a much nicer drive
>> than the Focus I used to own and the build quality is better.
I have driven both and ceed is not a better drive nor is it better built.
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>>I have driven both and ceed is not a better drive nor is it better built.>>
There are always a few exceptions. Some of the trim materials are not quite Ford standard, but the fit, finish, and engineering is way ahead of the MK2 focus I owned.
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Yes previous Korean cars have depreciated quickly though more so with the larger vehicles where badge/image are important and reliability/durability not so important.
The 5 and especially the 7 year warranty are relatively new, will be interesting to see the relative depreciations when these newer models are 3 to 5 years old, as a percentage of purchase price i expect them to be the same as the rest.
It will be interesting to see how Hyndai/Kia deal with DMF and other issues in years 3 to 7 (indeed from new too) when other more mainstream makers have already avoided the issue under warranty by deeming failure the drivers fault or throwing the old misfueled chestnut in.
I haven't seen any threads slagging Hyundai/Kia for their warranty get outs so far if anything quite the oposite, so why the hostility towards them for having the sense to offer the private car buyer what they've always wanted a reliable car with a long warranty...the fact it doesn't go round a track as precisely as something more mainstream couldn't concern me less.
As for Stu's Charade, i saw the car in the flesh and it wasn't a stupid colour by any means more interesting than the standard black or silver those who lack imagination order by the million, the car looked fine.
I believe the car went unnoticed by most car buyers as it wouldn't come up on their searches anyway, whenever you see suggestions for supermini's the same 3 or 4 suspects are trotted out by most, similar results with all classes of car, i suspect 75% of potential buyers of Charade type cars wouldn't know it existed if you asked them.
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>> It will be interesting to see how Hyndai/Kia deal with DMF and other issues in
>> years 3 to 7>>
The current model Ceed does not have a DMF. :-) It does have a DPF :-(.
At least the KIA warranty is a 7 year manufacturer warranty, unlike some 1 year manufacturer, and year 2 and 3 a limited dealer warranty.
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>> The current model Ceed does not have a DMF. :-)
Oh joy Navy, no fools those Korean chaps long may it stay DPF free...i'll be paying attention for the list of faults with yours and the dealers fixes, deafened by the silence so far though.;)
Where i'm working now there's a Pro Ceed in the car park when i go home, what a good looking car that is...no it hasn't broke down.
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>> Oh joy Navy no fools those Korean chaps>>
It took me a while to figure out how the climate control could produce hot air long before the engine warmed up, It has three 50 amp fuses for positive temperature coefficient heaters, (I had to google it), my first diesel with them. It defrosts the screen nearly as fast as a Ford electric screen. The only odball fault I have heard about (a guy in Norway) was a duff anti knock sensor on a 1.6 diesel fixed under warranty.
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>> The current model Ceed does not have a DMF. :-) It does have a DPF
>> :-(.
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Update - The 2010 Kia Ceed 1.6 113bhp does not have either a DMF or DPF. While doing the routine weekly checks I noticed that there was exhaust pipe where the DPF would have been fitted. A quick phone call to the dealer confirmed "not fitted". I didn't ask on purchase as I assumed it would have one, I am more than happy not to have a DPF, (or DMF).
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That sounds strange. I thought without DPF, diesel cars won't meet EU emission standard!
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>> That sounds strange. I thought without DPF diesel cars won't meet EU emission standard!
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So did I, Thats why I assumed it had a DPF, apparently the fuel burn is so efficient with the 1600 bar injection system it doesn't need one to pass the Euro 4 standard.
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No DMF or DPF...that's the icing on the cake, what a nice surprise Navy.
I wonder if Hyundai's version is the same.
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The guy who bought my Charade ( yes it was a guy ) about 30 years old, Welsh and placed immense value on reliable, economical and clever small cars. He sought a Charade out and the colour didnt seem to matter to him at all.
Im sure glad I didnt follow conventional advice and buy a 1.2 Corsa. Camshaft on my Charade - original. Hmm, what a fool I was having such a reliable car. Could have bought a Vauxhall or a rusty Ford Ka. Yay.
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Setting aside the length, are the Hyundai and Kia warranties identical? I read somewhere that the Kia warranty is inferior. I would have bought a Ceed over two years ago but the salesman was extremely rude and I bought a Hyundai i30 instead. It was not popular at the time but has gained an increasingly good press since. Just don't go for large wheels as the ride is already rather firm.
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Not just DMF is absent, these brands still sell conventional 4-speed autos not MMT/DSG/tiptronic things.
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serious question, whats "clever" about a charade?
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>>serious question, whats "clever" about a charade?<<
Interior space, far more efficient than small cars that have come since. Tight turning circle, low emissions, one of the cheapest used cars with the £35 road tax. Of course, you just want to be silly as you always are so ill ignore in advance the silly response that will follow!
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>> you just want to be silly as you always are so ill ignore in advance
>> the silly response that will follow!
>> ##
which is completely unwarranted because there was no remark to follow.
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I'm on my second Hyundai; bought a new i10 on the strength of HJ's write-ups, reliability of my Coupe and value for money. I admit that the 5 year warranty was a factor which made me initially prefer the i10 to the Panda, but six months down the line there are a host of other things as well.
Despite it's small size the i10 has proved perfectly capable of long journeys without serious discomfort; holds its own at motorway speeds and isn't noisy.
With the exception of the Panda (which failed on the two counts above) there simply isn't another European car in that price bracket which comes even close.
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My mum bought her Hyundai Coupe V6 on merit, not the warranty. She tried a Celica, an Alfa GTV and a Mazda RX-8 and she declared that none were a patch on the Coupe.
She liked the tractable nature of the V6, the way the car looks and the noise plus its actually very practical for a coupe. The warranty just means she has been able to keep it a long time without worries. Its 5 years old in July and she has no designs on changing it, it has done 48k now.
Sure, it does 24 mpg but she can afford it. Its a Korean frivolity.
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I agree about the practicality. Mine's the old shape (2001) and I'm told the later ones are even better; even so mine's a genuine 4-seater with loads of luggage space, and very well put together. I actually wanted a V-6 originally but the lower fuel consumption was a factor with me as I was doing a fair annual mileage when I first bought it. Having said that the 2-litre 4 cylinder is no slouch; lacks the sportiness of the MX-5 (my other option) but scores on the luggage/passenger capacity of course.
I'd love to keep it but we simply cannot justify two cars at the moment. My commute is only two miles each way so I've bought a Honda Lead scooter; highly recommended if anyone's looking for such an animal.
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>> My mum bought her Hyundai Coupe V6 on merit not the warranty. She tried a
>> Celica an Alfa GTV and a Mazda RX-8 and she declared that none were a
>> patch on the Coupe.
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I bought a Coupe in 2000. My BiL swears by Toyota and has had multiple Celica's, not my cup of tea. I never drove a Hyundai or Mazda but the I find it difficult to believe anyone who ever drove a GTV would find a better steering car.
It was like a go-kart. I test drove the two litre model and it was unbelievable. I wanted the three litre but couldn't afford it at the time so I bought...a FIAT Coupe 20v turbo. Three litre GTV performance for two litre money, four seats, folding rear seat, good size boot and the same steering rack.
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Three litre GTV performance for two litre money four seats
>> folding rear seat good size boot and the same steering rack.
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And of course the same bullet-proof reliability! ;-)
That's another reason I went for a Hyundai.
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>> I never drove a Hyundai or Mazda but the I find it difficult to believe anyone who ever drove a GTV would find a better steering car.<<
Perhaps but my mum wanted an ownership experience that was balanced and she is 57 - she would look quite funny in a go-kart and while she doesnt hang about, she doesnt need on the limit handling - the Coupe is pretty good and thats what you need. She likes the fact that the engine means she can skip gears or leave it in 6th from 25 mph upwards if you want. Its a GT more than a sportscar.
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>> Long warranties on Korean cars aren't an indication of reliability they are an indication that
>> nobody would buy one a Korean car without one. In nearly every other respect they
>> are less desirable than European cars.
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Not sure how valid that is these days.
Would you prefer a German designed, Slovakian built (same country which builds Peugeot 207) "Korean" car over a South African built "German" car ?
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Would you prefer a German designed, Slovakian built (same country which builds Peugeot "207) "Korean" car over a South African built "German" car ?"
No.
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So, some people prefer their £130(or more)+VAT an hour servicing to keep a 30 year body warranty.
Each to their own.
Question is who would keep a vehicle so long ? I think I'm a longtermer because I stick for five to seven years. Too long to stay with maindealer servicing for regular problems but certain German manufacturers it is a worthwhile expense though I can imagine eye wateringly expensive at seven years on certain models.
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30-40 years ago, European cars were far superior to Japanese/Korean cars.
Badge snobbery is nothing but a legacy which originated from that era.
But in last 10-20 years, far eastern manufacturers advanced so fast that they often outpaced European marques.
Nowadays, snob badges struggle to justify why their cars worth more.
Ever sat in 1980s Rolls Royce or Bentleys (well, I sat them only on museums)?
Even superminis of today offer more comfortable seating (with seat/steering adjustments etc.) than those luxury marques of 1980s.
The gap between luxury and budget brands are very narrow today.
As the world becomes a global village, the badge snobery will diminish gradually.
If you are really snob, you'd be driving Bentley/Rolls Royce/Maybach today - not BMW or Mercedes :)
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To be fair I probably would: The Hyundai Santa Fe has a cracking engine and is very good vanlue for money. The smaller SUV is very good too!
Warranties are much of a muchness as Hyundai is unlimited miliage. I am sure there are loads of sub clauses and disclaimers and that the manufacturer would try to play the "wear and tear" card later on in a vehicles life.
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Its very simple. They offer such long warranties because otherwise people wouldnt buy them. You dont need to argue over the why's. The only reason these companies exist is to take money, and if they could sell cars for more money and with less expansive warranties they would. The simple answer is, that at this moment in time, they need them to make sales.
It appears to be a tactic that has worked, as they are the major beneficiary of scrapage.
Its a tactic that cant work in the future, because they have sold into a longer term market (people who buy for the longer term) The bottom has to drop out (or it has to be far more cyclical) of that sales technique than makers who sell cars on other selling points.
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"Its very simple. They offer such long warranties because otherwise people wouldnt buy them."
Well. i would have bought my Ceed even if it had only come with a 3 year warranty as it is an extremely well engineered car and is built in the 2nd most modern car factory in Europe. It is also a much better car than the Focus it replaced.
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>> Well. i would have bought my Ceed even if it had only come with a
>> 3 year warranty
You are not the normal Ceed Buyer, then, because if you were, they would soon make more money out of you and only offer you a three year warranty.
Kia do not make cars for the joy of it, or to celebrate the brilliance of their product, they do it to make money. It really is that simple.
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"You are not the normal Ceed Buyer, then, because if you were, they would soon make more money out of you and only offer you a three year warranty."
I can only apologise for not fitting in with your idea of a typical Ceed owner !
"Kia do not make cars for the joy of it, or to celebrate the brilliance of their product, they do it to make money. It really is that simple"
Does this statement only apply to Kia and other Korean car companies ?
Zero, you clearly seem to have a problem with Korean cars and those of us who choose to buy them, but to be honest i couldn't care less !!!!!!!!!
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Alternatively people will see increasing numbers of Korean cars on the roads, and hear more 'good' stories about them, thus further increasing sales.
The warranty is transferrable so even a 1-3yr owner will still benefit from it when they come to sell on.
Watch the Euro/Jap makers start doing offers of 5yr warranties - if they find this helps sales it will be run out across all of their models/brands.
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>> Watch the Euro/Jap makers start doing offers of 5yr warranties -
No because it costs money. There is very little value or profit in a sub 10k car. There is much more money in a 20k car, and shedloads in a 30-40k car.
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That explains the situation in the US where cars are already much cheaper than they are here yet warranties are 5-10yrs as standard.
/rolleyes
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The Kia warranty in the US is 10 years? why isnt it 10 years over here?
Could it be because the US market and UK are not the same?
/rolleyes
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And markets never change do they?
In 10 years the trade average will still be a 3 year warranty?
Sure.
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HOw long has it been 10 years in the states?
Whats the profit margin on a car in the states?
How long has it been 3 three years in the UK
whats the profit margin in a car in the UK?
What is it, and how long is in in europe?
What is it and how is it in Australia?, , Japan?
The only thing I am sure about is you dont have a job in marketing.
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And that invaldiates my guesstimate that average warranties in the UK will increase rather than decrease over the next 10 years ?
You drive a Mitsu Lancer estate I believe - why would you spend your hardearned on a vehicle that is so obviously inferior to a Focus/Astra estate in every way?
Because value for money =/= inferior.
Because the ability to service it and know it is mechanically tried and tested is not necessarily inferior to 'modern' tech that is more about passing lab emissions tests that real life driving/ownership.
Hyundai/KIA are part of a massive conglomerate who have their proverbial fingers in many pies, and I'd bet they are looking more at a picture of market share than gross profit right now. Once a brand become 'mainstream' it's easier/cheaper to keep it there.
Although they appear to be back in the black now, I don't see Ford and GMs woes of the past 2 years being the sign of marketing genius.
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It still does not alter the fact, that you get a longer warranty because that is the selling point of the cars. if they didnt have to do it, they wouldnt.
you cant argue that fact.
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>> It still does not alter the fact that you get a longer warranty because that
>> is the selling point of the cars. if they didnt have to do it they
>> wouldnt.
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>> you cant argue that fact.
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It is not "the" selling point, it is one of many.
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>> It is not "the" selling point it is one of many.
the thread is not about the "other" poits of the car, the thread is about the warranty.
Its actually quite clever. It keeps the cars in the makers servicing regime and earns them money ( what new car buyer is gonna miss his factory approved servicing).
And then on second sale the now much devalued car ( in % terms the same as most other cars but as they were cheap to purchase they are now cheap second hand) is not going ot be kept in the dealer serving regime so they wont have to pay out on any major warranty claims.
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It *increases* sales, I have no doubt.
People still bought these cars when they had 3 yr warranties - more do so now.
You think the other manufacturers are blind to this effect ?
Remember the cost of the warranty will be offset by 3 things:
1) A significant number of these cars will receive main-dealer servicing, or indie servicing with OE parts (Obviously not all), sending more cash to the dealer/manufacturers.
2)Any failure to keep these cars fully serviced (and possibly at their most reliable?) will negate the extra cost of warranty by voiding it.
3)The 'wear-and-tear' clause.
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>> Its a tactic that cant work in the future because they have sold into a
>> longer term market (people who buy for the longer term) >>
My contact at the local KIA dealership tells me that the average retail new car buyer changes their car at three years.
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>> My contact at the local KIA dealership tells me that the average retail new car buyer changes their car at three years. <<
And if Joe Public is looking for a 3yr old car, does he want mainstream without warranty, or one with 2/4yrs of factory warranty left ?
It'll close the deal for some, but not all, as the feelings towards Korean cars shows.
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>> My contact at the local KIA dealership tells me that the average retail new car
>> buyer changes their car at three years.
so why is the 7 year warranty of value to a new car buyer?
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>> so why is the 7 year warranty of value to a new car buyer? <<
Because when they come to sell/trade-in the car has 4 yrs of warranty left. It is transferrable.
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>> >> so why is the 7 year warranty of value to a new car buyer?
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>> Because when they come to sell/trade-in the car has 4 yrs of warranty left. It
>> is transferrable.
but that is not recognised in the ease of sale or retained % value of the car. Its of no value to the seller.
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>> so why is the 7 year warranty of value to a new car buyer?
Because without the long term warranty the 2nd hand value of Korean cars sank like the Greek economy. Even with the warranty resale values are poor to average
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With all these nay-sayers you'd think the Koreans had gone bankrupt ;-)
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>> With all these nay-sayers you'd think the Koreans had gone bankrupt ;-)
Hyundai have - quite frequently as it happens.
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A quick look at KIA shows the battery is covered for two years, stereo 3 years or 60,000 miles, paint five years or 100,000 miles and the rest by a big etcetera - "Some items have a natural limited life/durability and are therefore covered for less than 7 years. These items include (but are not restricted to) consumable parts such as worn windscreen wiper blades, clutch linings, etc."
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According to Whatcar this month, the windscreen seals on a Ford are covered for 12 months, and I seem to recall the same for bodywork fittings (after a bunch of Mondeo rear bumpers started dropping), alloy wheels, and ICE.
I think SOGA could easily trump Ford trying not to pay out for new windscreen seals on a year-old car, but would require the usual amount of messing around up to, and including, a small claim.
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Isn't a Ford warranty twelve months manufacturer followed by two years dealer ?
How could SOGA, or anyone else trump that ?
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SOGA has nothing to do with warranties.
www.which.co.uk/advice/understanding-the-sale-of-goods-act/your-rights/index.jsp
If a windscreen seal is expected to only last for 12 months I'd like to see a manufacturer advertise that fact.
"So you may need to prove that the fault was not down to wear and tear or damage you caused, and that the product (or a component) should have lasted longer than it did. To do this you may need an expert's report, for example from an engineer or mechanic."
**EDIT** - off topic, but more just a reminder that warranties can be there to be wriggled out of.
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You buy a part from any dealership and it usually has a twelve months or x thousand miles limit written on it.
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Better go tell the guys who got their money back for failed camshafts on 5yr old Corsas then.
Can't remember which site I saw that on....
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If Kias/Hyundai and other microwaves were made in so much quantities as Corsas I am sure we will be hearing about lots of problems with these cars.
I don't think there is much difference between the quality of any car these days. The warranty is more of a marketing gimick. Even Lada offered a two year warranty when all other companies offered a year one.
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>> average retail new car buyer changes their car at three years
Because till now all cars came with 3-yr warranty only. Although boredom is a fact as well.
As a 2nd hand car buyer, I'd be more inclined to buy a car which has another few years manufacturer's warranty left compared to one which doesn't.
As per Society of Motor Manufacturer figures, Hyundai/Kia have recorded highest % growth in sales compared with year to year figure.
Scrappage + long warranty indeed make big sales.
Why other marques do not offer longer warranty?
Because they know their cars will fail after 3-yr period.
PS: Toyota is offering 5-yr warranty at present as a damage repair to their reputation due to recall events.
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The terms and conditions of the warranty for different cars are (usually) different. Apart from the "slight twist" are Kia and Hyundai warranties really the same, and are the costs of the warranties that are factored into the selling price of the car the same? If one manufacturer gives a longer warranty than another manufacturer then you can bet your boots you're paying extra for it.
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Not to mention strict servicing conditions which will cost.
As previous experience shows these cars would be worth nothing on the used market without that long warranty.
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>> As previous experience shows these cars would be worth nothing on the used market without
>> that long warranty.
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Just what was said about the Japanese cars in the 1960's, Rattle, I didn't think you had made it to short trousers by then. :-)
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Nothing stays the same. Some go down, others are elevated. Cant live with outdated images.
A Skoda isnt automatically worth 50p when you drive it away from the forecourt anymore so theres no reason why Korean makes cant one day soon have values on a par with their euro rivals.
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One day they will probably but they have to keep up with modern technology. Ford are soon to introduce their 2 cylinder Start. It will no doubt be very expensive but I can't see the Koreans yet having that technology.
What ever manufacturers will survive an the next twenty years will have to re-invent the wheel. No point on having a 7 year warranty if we have no oil by then.
It also took a long time for Skoda to revent them selves. When you read the car magazines they always mark down the korean cars on quality. That isn't the same as reliability.
They need to appeal to the snobs and it will take a while before that happens. Skoda can appeal to the snobs because everybody knows its just a VW.
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They pretty much are chap - the i10 is hardly behind the times, infact while I dont much like the car myself, that engine is a gem, easily a match for small european units.
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Yeah the Kappa engine is very good, but its still a four cylinder petrol engine. In the next couple of years we are going to see something very different.
The problem with the I10 again is build quality, the interior just had too many cheap bits of plastic and you can see where the money has been cut. The I20 is probably a much better buy as it has less competition.
The Panda had much more solid feeling but they have cut the money by giving you half the equipment has the I10.
The Picanto is some ways is a better buy as its the same car but with more old fashioned engines but it is dirt cheap, you can pick them up new for £5500 and you get that seven year warranty. It just wasn't me though but I can see why people buy them.
It is the more expensive Hyundais I don't get, like the Sonata. It just looks really cheap and naff almost like it is trying too hard to be American.
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The Picanto is ugly enough to frighten a police horse, and Mrs. H's encounter with a Pride in a previous life means I can't even suggest setting foot in a Kia dealership. It wasn't the Panda's equipment level that put me off buying one (can't see where this differs much from the i10 at entry level) but the fact that the i10 cabin just "felt" better, and the engine seemed (and has since proved) to have more grunt. If anything it seems better built than the Fiat.
Any car at that price is going to have cheap bits of plastic; for five and a bit grand I don't expect Connolly hide and walnut! I don't think there's much to choose between i10 and Panda where that's concerned.
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But it took many many years before the Japs became meainstream. The Koreans are still not quite here yet. They still need to learn the little touches like how to get the quality of plastics just right.
Honda could never get that right until they joined up Rover and they taught them everything Honda now knows on how to make a good interior.
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Re. the Sonata - large-ish saloons are now pretty much all 'premium' brands - Ford and Vauxhall have found that out with the demise of the Scorpio/Omega, and the lack of Mondeo/Vectra sales.
The Sonata/Magentis/Grandeur are absolutely also-rans in this field and are unlikely to break through in the forseeable future.
What I am more impressed by is the new Santa Fe. I've driven a 6-speed auto one and it is an absolute peach. Not much competing with it for the money. The 2 rear seats are rubbish, however, so I'd really only recommend it as a very capacious 5 seater and save the 800 quid (and also gain extra underfloor storage where the boot is already hoooooooge).
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..Honda could never get that right until they joined up Rover and they taught them everything Honda now knows on how to make a good interior..
I don't think Honda took many ideas from Rover when they built the current Civic's interior. More likely a few from Starship Enterprise! They do make a few Accords with a wood dash option that looks ghastly IMO.
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>> I know which depreciation curve I'd prefer:
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>> farm5.static.flickr.com/4006/4577651658_00a3233297_b.jpg
That looks to be based on list price - wouldn't the curves be closer if based on broker prices?
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>> That looks to be based on list price - wouldn't the curves be closer if
>> based on broker prices?
Ie. Drivethedeal price for a 1.6 Titanium Focus is £13222 or £6k less than the list price shown on the curve. The Golf is 'only' discounted by £2k.
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Focus is spot on.
The Ford is cheaper to buy and worth less than the VW throughout their respective lives.
The rate of depreciation - gradient of the graph in the link - is remarkably similar for each car.
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Erm Iffithelps: Golf 1.4 tsi SE is £17380; the equivalent (in spec and power) Focus 1.8 Zetec is £19146 thanks to Ford's ludicrous pricing. I would have the Golf every time: more modern engine, better image and good resales. I am going of course on buying and speccing your own car but the Golf has a very aspirational image: this does sound snobby but it is bought by well heeled middle class people!
As to the Hyundais and Koreans: i agree they are making good cars now and the denigration on here is not deserved. As said the Santa Fe has a 2.2 litre Diesel that puts out 194bhp and a thumping 322 lb ft of torque in auto guise: a truly impressive engine. The Hyundai Ix 35 is great value against something like a Ford Kuga and theC'eed is a nice car with a smooth and very economical 1.6 Diesel. If that engine does indeed have a single mass flywheel then all the more reason to buy one!
Last edited by: mattbod on Tue 4 May 10 at 14:48
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>> Erm Iffithelps: Golf 1.4 tsi SE is £17380; the equivalent (in spec and power) Focus
>> 1.8 Zetec is £19146 thanks to Ford's ludicrous pricing.
But the broker prices are £16k for the Golf against £12.2k for the Focus.
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Apologies then: I have never seen a Ford that low in price. Is that the 115bhp Vti engine or the 100bhp though? My sister has the latter and it's gutless. Would still prefer the Golf though to be fair. Good though the Koreans are their main problem is lack of image. Doesn't bother me but guess it should as Quentin Willson always said you have to be snobby when buying cars to hang on to your cash!
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>> Apologies then: I have never seen a Ford that low in price. Is that the
>> 115bhp Vti engine or the 100bhp though?
I hadn't realised the discounts were that big; it's possible the drivethedeal website is telling porkies. I don't know which engine it is, although the 1.6 used to come in 100 and 115 versions.
According to dtd you could always get the 2.0 Titanium for £14k.
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>> I hadn't realised the discounts were that big; it's possible the drivethedeal website is telling
>> porkies.
Just spoke to someone at dtd - he said the prices are correct.
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...Ford discounts...
Five or six thousand is a good rule of thumb for a Ford that lists in the £18k-£20k range.
So that £19k Focus Zetec routinely sellls at around £13-£14k.
Looked at that way, the cost to buy a Ford, and running and depreciation costs, make sense.
Fords depreciate a bit more than the German stuff that holds its value, and less than the non-mainstream makes.
T'was ever thus.
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If i can get that kind of deal on a Fiesta 1.6 Titanium they may have a deal!
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>> If i can get that kind of deal on a Fiesta 1.6 Titanium they may have a deal! <<
Drivethedeal.com price today: £11,600 (list £15,645)
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My dealer is a combined SEAT / Hyundai premises.
Whilst in with my Altea the other day, looked round the showroom and was mightily impressed with the ix35 and Santa Fe, the ix35 in particular looked very appealing, similar to Quashqai and Kuga in appearance, never looked too deeply into quality, accessories etc but would certainly be on my list next time I change... whenever that might be :(
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I haven't read this fred before as I don't buy Korean krap, preferring Anglojap carp.
I don't go a bundle on extended warranties either as I buy reliable makes in the first place.
My Nissan had a 3 year warranty, it's now 5 years old and trouble free - so what's the 'big deal'.
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>> My Nissan had a 3 year warranty it's now 5 years old and trouble free
>> - so what's the 'big deal'.
Probabilities/gambling - no model of car is 100% reliable, so how much are you prepared to pay to (hopefully) protect yourself if you turn out to be one of the unlucky ones? Do you feel lucky? :)
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>>Do you feel lucky? :)<<
Is it about luck Focus? In my case it's down to Vulcan logic, and I've been lucky? so far :)
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...and presumably even the "anglojap" is crossed off the wish-list following today's announcement?
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Boo! post what the announcement *is* i had to go look it up and i'm too lazy for that.
Toyota extended their warranty to 5 years / 100k miles.
I'd have bought a Toyota if it suited my needs anyway but that's a sweetner.
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I bought a zero miles Hyundai Coupe SIII 2l with a 5 year warranty.
But when an exhaust bracket failed the whole ,dual, very rusty section was replaced.No quibbling.
All visible exposed metalwork underneath was rusty. The steering was very odd and ducked and dived on road defects. I did not have the time or inclination to pursue matters.
Traded it in for a Skoda with a 3 year warranty.
SWMBO has a 3 yo plus Hyundai Getz, no rust or problems and she loves it.
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Kia vs Hyundai warranty - lancara
