This has me confused, a filter lane exists for drivers (who are turning left) to not use the round a bout.
But who has right of way at the exit of the filter lane, drivers on the exit of the round a bout or the drivers coming off the filter lane ?
Since picture speak a thousand words here's a link :-
g.co/maps/smq6t
In the picture notice that there are no give way signs so I am assuming that traffic merges.
The highway code was no help either.
I am surprised there are not a lot of accidents here on this stretch of road.
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there are quite a few like that around, its not a problem, people just filter.
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so who has right of way ?
I only ask as I allow cars in the exit of the filter lane to filter into the traffic in front of me.
I don't let too many in though as I don't fancy getting a clout from behind (as I am technically exiting the round a bout at this point)
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As Zero says it's not usually a problem on the ones I use regularly. I'll ease off if necessary to let one in from whichever side, if everybody does that then you have a zip merge. You get the odd hillock who thinks he has RoW but I'm happy for them to be in front where I can see what they're doing.
I'm not sure right of way comes into it, or needs to - if I had to take a view I'd say the traffic on the right had precedence - it's the general rule, and from the left it's akin to joining a major road from a slip.
Has the HC anything to say - I haven't one with me?
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No-one has right of way, thats the whole point of filtering.
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"Right of way" as a concept does not actually exist on the roads. In certain circumstance one set of traffic may have priority but does not apply in this case
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Down South, we simply 'merge in turn'.
It's easy, nobody has 'the right of way', let common sense and courtesy prevail!
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Quite. And as ever any problem is largely down to the people who never look more than 20 yards past the bonnet and end up stopping or barging. A bit of anticipation and you'll arrive at a gap 9 times out of 10 if the traffic's flowing.
CGN's right of course, if a bit pedantic (what, him?). But we tend to use RoW interchangeably with 'priority'.
Last edited by: Manatee on Thu 5 Apr 12 at 09:41
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>> so who has right of way ?
I never assume that there is ever such a thing as absolute "right of way". To my mind prudence and self-preservation are always the deciding factors.
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He was right,dead right,
As he drove along,
But he's just as dead,
As if he'd been wrong!
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>> He was right,dead right,
>> As he drove along,
>> But he's just as dead,
>> As if he'd been wrong!
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I frequently use a traffic light controlled "T" junction which joins a main road that is often used by ambulances on blue lights. I may have a green light but always check both ways, and both sides of the road. They usually have their sirens on but one day............
A green light is only permission to move if it is safe.
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>> has right of way at the exit of the filter lane >>
The roundabout is no longer in play once have passed it, as you are then on to the dual carriageway. Treat it as a normal "two lanes merging in to one".
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>> >> has right of way at the exit of the filter lane >>
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>> The roundabout is no longer in play once have passed it, as you are then
>> on to the dual carriageway. Treat it as a normal "two lanes merging in to
>> one".
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Just remind the they guy!
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The HC says:
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When reaching the roundabout you should
give priority to traffic approaching from your right, unless directed otherwise by signs, road markings or traffic lights
check whether road markings allow you to enter the roundabout without giving way. If so, proceed, but still look to the right before joining
So the pertinent questions are:
1) Is the marked-off filter lane technically part of the roundabout, or is it a sort of roundabout bypass?
2) Do the road markings shown in the OP's photograph constitute a direction that the normal roundabout priority rules do not apply?
3) Does "give priority to" mean the same as "give way to", and are they the converse of "have right of way" ?
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>>So the pertinent questions are:
...The way to make life difficult.
>>Give and take a bit of consideration on both parts:
...The way to make life easy.
Pat
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It doesn't matter who has right of way, because some people simply don't understand, or don't see, road markings. So you have to keep an eye on other vehicles and try not to be in a place where they are likely to run into you.
I followed a lady round a roundabout I know well, which has complex but easily understood road markings. She managed to be in the wrong lane all the way through the roundabout, even changing lanes when the one she was in looked like becoming the right one for her purposes. Men are just as bad or worse though.
You develop a sort of sixth sense for where these carphounds think they are going. And you need it, because they don't make their intentions clear. Ban the lot of them I often grumble.
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>> You develop a sort of sixth sense for where these carphounds think they are going.
Of course you do, because you're a good driver. Other people allow themselves to be crashed into and are then dismayed that it goes 50/50 yet they could have avoided it in the first place.
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Yes of course it's stupid to stick to one's rights and be driven into, but it's still useful to be aware of the rule of the road.
Otherwise there would be no point in the HC or of any rules at all.
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The road at the end of the filter lane is still a dual carriageway, so why the need to filter/merge?
Just keep barrelling along in the lane you're in.
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>> these carphounds
Were out in abundance on the M1 heading away from London earlier. You'd think some of the them were deliberately baulking lorries on hills or trying to fit completely in their blind spots, except that it's clear from looking at them that they simply haven't got a clue. No wonder there's so many crashes. (rant over!)
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Real drivers beware. The "Holiday only" motorway users are on the move. :-)
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Missed the edit...
Now my browser has loaded the Google Maps image I can comment on the filter lane in the OP's question, as I know the road very well. That lane's a fairly recent addition to the A602, to try and cut down on the queues coming off the industrial estate at clocking-off time by siphoning off the local traffic so it doesn't have to mingle with the motorway-bound stuff. Unfortunately the road it leads onto goes straight over a narrow-ish railway bridge, so the "extra" lane is shorter than is desirable.
As a result, the driver with the most powerful car takes precedence when merging :)
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I do sympathise Dave, Ian had Egham, New Covent Garden, Battersea, Croydon, Greenwich and Fulham in that order today.
He's currently in Greenwich with Fulham still to do and started at 4.30am and reported that the rush from London had started at 2pm already.
Any of you London savvy posters want a job as a traffic Planner, we could do with one.
Pat
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...want a job as a traffic Planner...
A traffic survey was done many years ago on key routes in Fulham after locals complained of congestion.
The locals blamed long-distance drivers who were using their area as a rat run to cross London.
The survey found something like 80 per cent of all journeys originated in the borough.
Which proved the locals were the cause of their own misfortune and would use their cars to cross the road if they could.
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>> I do sympathise Dave, Ian had Egham, New Covent Garden, Battersea, Croydon, Greenwich and Fulham
>> in that order today.
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>> He's currently in Greenwich with Fulham still to do and started at 4.30am and reported
>> that the rush from London had started at 2pm already.
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>> Any of you London savvy posters want a job as a traffic Planner, we could
>> do with one.
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>> Pat
Yeah I can see that. What d ickhead planned that lot in that order?
Should be (assuming you start and stop in the west) egham, battersea, NGC, fulham, greeenwich, croydon, then down the A23 to M25 and home to egham.
Mind you - the "traveling salesman" route planning equation is one of the most difficult to automate to computers. It requires spatial skills.
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The day started at Guyhirn Z, and has to end there too.
Pat
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>> Mind you - the "traveling salesman" route planning equation is one of the most difficult
>> to automate to computers. It requires spatial skills.
Being pedantic (you probably know more about this than me) but IIRC the algorithm isn't that hard, but it is one of those that takes (almost) for ever for any non-trivial set of destinations.
So the skill is finding a heuristic which finds the best route, or something close to it, in a reasonable amount of time.
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>>He's currently in Greenwich with Fulham still to do ...
or Fulham will do him ! Beware the Hammersmith flyover area as much as you can:-(
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Update: Greenwich tipped, Big Yellow Self Store at Fulham will be closed by the time he gets there so it's straight home from Greenwich.
ETA: 9pm actually at home.
Have justed checked the cameras on the tunnel and the Woolwich Ferry and the tunnel looks the best bet at the moment!
Just as an insight into this job and how daft the tachograph rules are, if there are any hold ups and it reaches 19.30, he will have to park up and wait for someone to come out from the yard to him and he will have to drive the car back while they drive the lorry.
The best bit though, he isn't allowed to drive back to the yard in the car as that is classed as work and as he will have done 15 hours by 19.30 he can't do anymore....he can only drive home legally. Which will mean that despite being on holiday tomorrow the firms car will have to be returned to the yard to retrieve ours which is parked there.
Now maybe you can understand the frustration we feel:)
Pat
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>> Ian had Egham, New Covent Garden, Battersea, Croydon, Greenwich and Fulham
Brighton, Crawley, Croydon and Wandsworth for me, 3.00am start.
It was fine until I got out of London, if Ian's still got Fulham to do he'll struggle to get home in 15 hours.
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He was 2.5 hours in Brakes at Egham this morning Dave and had an 8.30am booking or he would have started at 3am too;)
Pat
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>> He was 2.5 hours at Egham this morning
Shame it wasn't another 30 minutes, then he could have split his shift and stayed out until 10.30pm.
You're right about the daft tachograph rules :)
Last edited by: Dave_TDCi on Thu 5 Apr 12 at 17:00
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>>and stayed out until 10.30pm.<<
Errrr NO:)
You need a DCPC course!
Pat
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>> You need a DCPC course!
My old gaffer might... If we were stuck somewhere (holdup at an RDC for instance) for 3+ hours it'd go down as unpaid break and turn into a split overnight break.
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That stopped being legally possible in 2009!
Even so starting at 4.30am there is no legal way to work until 10.30PM and that's a good thing too
Pat
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Filter lanes on roundabouts - who has right of way - Zero
