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Just back from France. Rental car there was a new Berlingo Multispace Hdi 1.6. Is there any way that I can find out whether it was the 75 bhp, 90 bhp or 110 bhp variety? (I noted some numbers under the bonnet.)
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The engine code should be in the VIN number.
9HT = 75
9HV = 90
9HX = 90
9HZ = 109
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Thanks, Screwloose.
I clearly didn't manage to note the correct numbers, because none of those codes are in the pics I took.
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Looks like I still remain out of my depth with regard to cars!
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The first one appears to be the part number sticker for the headlight; the second the headlight adjustment data and the third the tyre pressures.
The VIN number should have been stamped in.
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The VIN number should have been stamped in.
Alas, I seem to have missed it. Next time, I'll look more carefully.
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It wasn't a 110, as that only comes with 215/55/16 tyres according to Citroen...
Unfortunately the trim level doesn't give away 75 or 90 horses either - but given that most hire cars are bottom spec, it's likely to have been a 75 I'd have thought....
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Thanks, Richard.
It wasn't a 110, as that only comes with 215/55/16 tyres according to Citroen...
In the UK, that is correct. However, this was a French market Berlingo, and I suspect that in France, things may be different.
In fact, I have, just now, downloaded a French Brochure which, as far as I can understand it, suggests that specifications are indeed different there - and that the 110 engine is available with 205/65/15 tyres. If my French were better, I'd be a little more certain.
Furthermore, the vehicle didn't seem bottom spec to me. It had Cruise Control and Climate Control. And, according to the brochure "Climatisation automatique bi-zone (température) avec iltre à pollen" is not available in either of the bottom 2 trims, even as an option.
More interestingly, as far as I am concerned, it seems to say that the 75 engine is only available with the bottom 2 trims, which suggests that I was probably driving a 90 or 110 model. But I guess that's as close as I will get to finding out.
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begs the question, why are you so keen to find out? thinking of buying one? How about your thoughts of the said vehicle.
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"begs the question, why are you so keen to find out?"
It does, doesn't it? The truth is that I have an insatiable curiosity about certain things that I don't actually need to know!
"thinking of buying one?"
At some time in the future, I might. However, I can't see myself doing so any time soon.
"How about your thoughts of the said vehicle."
I'll write a review soon. I promise.
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And I've now written the review.
I think I've solved the mystery of the engine, by the way. The clue was that when I divided my mileage in the vehicle by the amount of fuel I put in, I got 52 mpg. (Since I know I returned the car brim full, and it may have been less than brim full when I picked it up, this meant that I got at least 52 mpg, and may have gotten more.)
This rather surprised me, because it compared favourably with the figures given for the UK spec Berlingo with any engine - which told me that I should have expected about 50 mpg at best. I have never managed to equal (let alone better) the official combined mpg figure on a diesel hire car, so I was surprised to get 52 mpg.
When I looked at the fuel consumption figures in the French Berlingo brochure, I discovered that the HDi 75, the HDi 92, and the HDi 110 FAP engines all had an estimated combined mpg of about 50 - whereas the HDi 92 FAP engine had a combined mpg of about 53.
I'm guessing, therefore, that I had an HDi 92 FAP engine. Whatever that is.
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Filtre Aux Particulates - French for DPF - a desperate attempt to relocate the depositing of a diesel's soot output.
Usually a very good way to ruin the fuel consumption too? Odd that it's better than the non-FAP ones?
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I did suspect that it was something like a DPF, and I also had a feeling that these things didn't usually help fuel economy.
However, here are the figures for mpg (converted from litres per 100km) according to the French brochure:
Petrol 1.6i 16v 90 - 34.5
Petrol VTi 120* - 38.7
Diesel HDi 75 - 49.6
Diesel HDi 92 - 49.6
Diesel HDi 92 (7 seat) - 47.9
Diesel HDi 92 FAP - 53.3
Diesel HDi 110 FAP - 50.4
Diesel HDi 110 FAP (7 seat) - 48.7
So Citroen seem to be claiming that their filters actually improve economy. They do admit that the 0-100 km/h figure falls from 14.3 seconds to 14.4.
* I believe that this engine is not available in British spec Berlingos yet.
Last edited by: tyro on Tue 20 Apr 10 at 10:35
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I suppose it depends on when they measure it; like the emission figures, it only looks good when it isn't dumping it's load.
Overall; the fuel wasted during re-gens probably evens it out.
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Screwloose's post of Mon 12 Apr 10 16:07 has, rather unexpectedly, come in useful after all these months.
It enables me to confirm that the 2nd hand Berlingo I have just bought does indeed have the 90 bhp engine. (There was a bit of a query, because it appeared as 75 bhp on an insurance database.)
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Citroen Berlingo Multispace II - 10 1.6 Which engine? (i.e. how many bhp?) - Screwloose
