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Last edited by: VxFan on Mon 15 Feb 21 at 10:32
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A brief bit of US news....
A Covid-19 vaccination centre at the Dodger Stadium in Los Angeles was forced to close for an hour on Saturday after protests by anti-vaccine and far-right groups
www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55875263
Aside from their general thickness and total lack of worth, why are conspiracy nutters so desperate to convince others to join their stupidity? Why do they care?
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They just want to be noticed.
If you don't believe in somethings efficacy, don't participate, but don't prevent others.
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How are you doing, Zippy? Still not sleeping well?
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That certainly puts Hancock in a better light than he usually gets, and if true very much to his credit not only regarding his perspicuity but going against the tide and putting the public good ahead of an easy life.
Credit where it's due, as some would say.
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>> Credit where it's due, as some would say.
Not my cup of tea politically of course but I would but on amongst the minority of the Cabinet who are competent.
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"That certainly puts Hancock in a better light than he usually gets,"
I have only been critical of Hancock in one respect - and that was when he allowed himself to be bullied by the press into making a promise about the number of tests to be carried out by a certain date quite early on in the pandemic.
I have reached an age when, before being critical of anyone in his position, I ask myself a) Have I got a better answer? and b) Would I want his/her job?
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Appears we have our word of the day.
www.thefreedictionary.com/perspicuity
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I think I probably meant to say perspicacity. But it seemed near enough.
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Don't beat yourself up too much Manatee, we understand, it's ok, no problem, we understood. We're used to Yorkshiremen mangling vowels...
;-)))
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...I think that's probably persecutory, Runfer.......
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Nothing earth shatteringly new in this, but still worth a read I think.
How Europe fell behind on vaccines
www.politico.eu/article/europe-coronavirus-vaccine-struggle-pfizer-biontech-astrazeneca/
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...well, it looks like Astrazeneca might have found some doses down the back of the sofa (or fridge), and a fudge has been arranged....i
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Face saving smoke & mirrors by the EU.
Was going to be 100m, reduced to 30m, increased to 39m.An extra 4.5 million vaccinations, slightly less than 1% of the population.
And I expect gives AZ the coverage of really making reasonable best efforts.
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Or, as in any normal commercial deal, AZ reduce from 100m to 30m, expecting pushback and negotiating a compromise around 50m. But the EC goes nuclear in 24 hours, drags AZs name through the mud with no justification and so AZ point at the contract. EC stamps it’s feet and bangs the table. Everyone goes home. Sensible people have sensible conversations later, and AZ think, well, we’re not offering the 50m, because if for whatever reason we’re a bit short then the EC will throw it’s toys out of the pram again. So 39m, that’s your lot ;)
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All smoke and mirrors.
I assume they are working to full capacity anyway. The only way they can give EU more vaccine is either by (a) denying someone else, or (b) cutting back on any contingencies in the production processes.
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or possibly
c) under offering the first time.
Though I agree with you, probably b).
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...or the equivalent of "watering the workers' beer".....
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I had a phone call from my local surgery this afternoon...an invite to get a jab tomorrow evening. A 15 mile drive to Skipton, where coincidentally I was driving to on a Tesco beer run ( 4x Oakham Citra 500ml @ £6). Seems rude not to pop in for a needle in the arm as I’m 400 yards away.
I did query it because I’m not of State Pension age yet, nor classed as vulnerable. Strange.
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>> I had a phone call from my local surgery this afternoon...an invite to get a
>> jab tomorrow evening. A 15 mile drive to Skipton, where coincidentally I was driving to
>> on a Tesco beer run ( 4x Oakham Citra 500ml @ £6). Seems rude not
>> to pop in for a needle in the arm as I’m 400 yards away.
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>> I did query it because I’m not of State Pension age yet, nor classed as
>> vulnerable. Strange.
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They’re quite far ahead in some areas and doing the over 65s and then over 60s already. I was 50 last week so might even get a call myself before too long!!
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>> I was 50 last week so might even get a call myself before too long!!
We're still talking the vaccination, right?
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>> We're still talking the vaccination, right?
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I’m trying to think of a smart Alec reply and failing miserably. Sorry.
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Got mine this afternoon. AZ one. Suburban Surrey, Age 66.
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Z, does your medical issue mean that you are classified as vulnerable ?
I’m only just turned 65 and feel a bit of a fraud..I’d prefer it if a front line emergency worker had my vaccine.
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Not clinically vulnerable*, but underlying medical condition.
*All the time, but there are 7 week periods where I am. Last one ended two weeks ago, next is in April.
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Stay healthy Z. You take care matey.
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>>I’d prefer it if a front line emergency worker had my vaccine.
That's exactly what my daughter, NHS but not front line or key admin for the pandemic, said when offered it. Didn't seem to work that way. And of course of you're offered it, refuse, and then go sick with Covid you'll probably have a 'no tea and biscuits' meeting with line management to look forward to on return to work.
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>> Z, does your medical issue mean that you are classified as vulnerable ?
>> I’m only just turned 65 and feel a bit of a fraud..I’d prefer it if
>> a front line emergency worker had my vaccine.
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Again this is only a local datapoint, but the hospital in Chichester has temporarily closed its vaccination clinic, which was for NHS, care home and other front line staff, because they’ve effectively run out of people to vaccinate until the second dose is due. It’s opening again late March. So don’t feel too guilty :)
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>> I had a phone call from my local surgery this afternoon...an invite to get a jab tomorrow evening.
We are both booked for Thursday afternoon at the local site a mile or so away.
I had a phone call this morning asking if we wanted our jabs " now"
I had to turn their offer down.
The car is not taxed and a few other reasons.
Meanwhile I have spent a while looking for the V5C. All sorted now.
I wrongly assumed the reference on the reminder doc would suffice. :-(
It is only valid for a short period. I am not sure why this reference is time limited.
It would have been a bit warmer this afternoon . Predicted -7 or -8C on Thursday morning, coldest for many years here but improves to 0C for our trip.
We have not been out for a year and only the district nurse has entered the house in that period to give us our flu jabs. The family have all kept at distance in the garden when on site.
It will be a strange feeling being let out.
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>> They’re quite far ahead in some areas and doing the over 65s and then over
>> 60s already. I was 50 last week so might even get a call myself before
>> too long!!
Mrs C was at our surgery for an unrelated thing yesterday. The nurse said they've done everyone 67 and over, but don't get excited because they've now stopped doing any vaccinations at all while they "wait for the rest of the country to catch up".
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... and the NHS starts doing the usual operations again, will those, who have not been vaccinated, be denied? Apologies if this has already been covered. (BTW I've had mine).
Last edited by: John Boy on Thu 4 Feb 21 at 18:39
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Why the concern with what others do?
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>> Why the concern with what others do?
Can you see the irony in asking that question?
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Where’s the irony. JB asks a simple question as do I. I think we call that a discussion down the pub.
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Are you religiously qualified?
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Why the concern with what others are?
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A question does not imply concern. Since you so freely hand out blessings I simply wonder their worth. You are ordained aren’t you?
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Why the concern with what others are?
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See my previous reply. You must try to read posts properly.
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>> Why the concern with what others do?
A question does not imply concern.
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>> >> Why the concern with what others do?
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>> A question does not imply concern.
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Ok Guv it’s a fair cop.
Bless.
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>> ... and the NHS starts doing the usual operations again, will those, who have not
>> been vaccinated, be denied? Apologies if this has already been covered. (BTW I've had mine).
I don't know about the UK but I see Germany has just stated that people can be refused entry/service if they cannot prove vaccination.
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>> ... and the NHS starts doing the usual operations again, will those, who have not
>> been vaccinated, be denied? Apologies if this has already been covered. (BTW I've had mine).
It has, and my opinion is yes. Refuse the vaccination and the NHS should refuse to treat you.
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Just heard today 93 year old mum, in care home, has dementia, no visitors since last March has...refused her vaccination. She won't have had a clue what they were talking about.
No NHS treatment for her now?
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That's difficult. Surely someone has legal authority for her with such questions. Doesn't sound like she's competent to accept or refuse the vaccination.
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Indeed, my three sisters all have health POA. But the care home didn't ask them.
Oh well.
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>> Just heard today 93 year old mum, in care home, has dementia, no visitors since
>> last March has...refused her vaccination. She won't have had a clue what they were talking
>> about.
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>> No NHS treatment for her now?
Then she is unable to consent tp any treatment so a care order should be taken out.
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Why?
It might be foolish to turn down a vaccination but it’s not illegal. As long as others are not put at risk and presumably NHS staff are vaccinated and prepared to carry out such an operation where are the grounds for denying treatment?
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I believe most people are happy to get the vaccine.
The problem is most people are not being given it properly. Nearly all the testing and regulator sign off for the vaccine has been on the basis of 2 doses within a few weeks.
The UK Govt has decided that one dose will be given initially then a second dose will administered (we hope) in 12 weeks. This is not what has been tested or signed off.
There is now talk of mixing the brands. Apparently this was a topic of discussion within Miss Z's team at the hospital today. Several doctors said they were uncomfortable re the one dose then another in 12 weeks policy and all of them were concerned at mixing brands as they have not seen any peer reviewed studies on the effectiveness / dangers that this may pose and would refuse mixed doses.
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>>There is now talk of mixing the brands. Apparently this was a topic of discussion within Miss Z's team at the hospital today. Several doctors said they were uncomfortable re the one dose then another in 12 weeks policy and all of them were concerned at mixing brands as they have not seen any peer reviewed studies on the effectiveness / dangers that this may pose and would refuse mixed doses.
The talk is because they are beginning such a study. Surely there can be no objection to that?
As for the 12 weeks, nobody has said there is anything wrong with it, just that there is no evidence that it's as effective. It's difficult though, do you give as many people the first dose and get (I think) 72% protection or do you give half as many people and achieve 92% protection.
Personally I tend to think the Government has made the correct move.
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There is an official study just beginning which will gather specific data about protection levels for shots given 12 weeks apart.
There have been reports that giving the second jab at 12 weeks gives better protection after the second jab than if it was given at 4 or 6 weeks but no clinical data to confirm that. The theory is that it kicks the immune system into top gear again, but there is the problem of lower protection until you get the second jab.
The second part of the study will investigate whether a combined or 'shot of each' AZ/Pfizer vaccine will provide better protection by provoking simultaneous responses from different parts of the immune system because the vaccines work differently.
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>> Why?
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>> It might be foolish to turn down a vaccination but it’s not illegal. As long
>> as others are not put at risk and presumably NHS staff are vaccinated and prepared
>> to carry out such an operation where are the grounds for denying treatment?
Others will be put at risk. What about patients who have not had the vaccination? If you wanted to go private they would refuse you, why not the NHS?
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Exactly. Why should I, too young to be vaccinated, be on a general ward next to some t@@t who refused to be vaccinated when the opportunity arose.
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>> Exactly. Why should I, too young to be vaccinated, be on a general ward next
>> to some t@@t who refused to be vaccinated
Because anyone being admitted to hospital with a positive Covid test wouldn’t be on a general ward and in any case being vaccinated does not necessarily prevent the possibility of infecting others.
Those not wishing to be vaccinated are in my opinion foolish or at least misguided but they need to be persuaded and educated not threatened with withdrawal of health care.
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You can’t polish a turd. Some people can’t be educated
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>> Those not wishing to be vaccinated are in my opinion foolish or at least misguided
>> but they need to be persuaded and educated not threatened with withdrawal of health care.
And if it proves impossible to persuade and educate them...
What then?
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“What then.”
They will put themselves at risk and consequently put a greater strain on the health service.
Look I don’t advocate not getting vaccinated, but realistically you cannot threaten or force people people to make them protect themselves. It’s counterproductive. People have all sorts of reasons for refusing vaccination. Education is the only way you will change their minds. Some you will never persuade. At the end of the day the important thing is to get all those willing to be vaccinated vaccinated
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>> Look I don’t advocate not getting vaccinated, but realistically you cannot threaten or force people
>> people to make them protect themselves. It’s counterproductive. People have all sorts of reasons for
>> refusing vaccination.
That, exactly.
There are people who have medical reasons (ie other conditions that mean the vaccine is contraindicated). How do you deal with people who have a real and genuine fear of the needle.
Let's see what the scale of the refusal problem is before we worry too much about dreaming up punishments for the refusers.
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>Because anyone being admitted to hospital with a positive Covid test wouldn't be on a general ward..
I went for an appointment with a gastro specialist at our local hospital in May last year. What I expected to be a 30 minute meeting turned into a stay for 6 days of tests.
They didn't test me for Covid until the following afternoon and then moved me from AAU to a general ward before getting the result.
It was positive.
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That was last May. Testing in Terms of effectiveness and speed is far different now.
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>That was last May. Testing in Terms of effectiveness and speed is far different now.
Makes not one jot of difference if you've already admitted before being tested. And it's still happening so dream on.
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>> Because anyone being admitted to hospital with a positive Covid test wouldn’t be on a
>> general ward and in any case being vaccinated does not necessarily prevent the possibility of
>> infecting others.
Clearly you have been nowhere near a hospital, or know no-one in the NHS these past two months.
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Because it'd not just the medical staff. Other patients and visitors. Contaminating the facilities. This vaccine is not 100% thereby there is an increased risk to others.
Its a sad fact but hospitals are best steered well clear of at the moment and foreseeable future if possible.
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>> Because it'd not just the medical staff. Other patients and visitors. Contaminating the facilities. This
>> vaccine is not 100% thereby there is an increased risk to others.
>> Its a sad fact but hospitals are best steered well clear of at the moment
>> and foreseeable future if possible.
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The issue is should an unvaccinated individual who has declined vaccination but who is tested negative for Covid be admitted to hospital for treatment.
For the reasons you state he would himself be at risk but should himself pose no risk to other patients at the time he is admitted.
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Which depends on whether the vaccine reduces the risk of transmission?
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If he tests negative he poses no risk to others whether or not he has been vaccinated.
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>> Its a sad fact but hospitals are best steered well clear of at the moment
>> and foreseeable future if possible.
You’re darned right. I had serious doubts about even going for an aortic scan after my birthday invite from the NHS. I’m steering well clear of anywhere indoors where I’ll encounter more than a few people...doesn’t stop me food shopping, but I pick and choose my times, and don’t dilly dally.
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I was amazed 20 minutes ago to get a text from my local surgery inviting me to book a vaccination.
I am 65, have aortic valve issues, non major but get annual ecg to keep a check on it. Didn't expect the opportunity until much closer to Easter.
I am now booked for the jab at the local football ground on Wednesday morning next week.
I believe it will be the AZ one in this area.
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I think you are would be in Group 5 over 65s. Most areas I believe are either on or ahead of target to complete Group 4 over seventies by mid February. Can’t fault the organisation.
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Had my AZ one today at 2 pm from my surgery group, apparently they injected 800 people already this morning and I was on the first batch this afternoon. Very well organised and professional.
I also had the NHS invitation letter turn up this morning.
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A mate of mine will get his soon under the over-65 rule but his wife is a few years younger so they've signed up to be a tester for the mixed vaccine trial. No guarantee they'll get in it though.
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Daughter got hers this morning.
She's NHS but no longer patient facing, nonetheless she was offered the opportunity to book a slot.
Was concerned about depriving someone more needy than a fit 28yo but was assured she wasn't actually doing so. For some reason, possibly living in Wales but vaccine centre being in England, the on line booking process was convoluted.
Done at St Helens Rugby Stadium. In and out in no time. AZ vaccine.
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www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/ee6ed923-e00e-445b-8a98-7b9917178e30
I'm not quite sure about some of the detail in this story. Someone has work in Ghana, that must pay well and they can afford to fly there yet can't afford a test? Another struggling to feed her kids yet can afford to fly abroad?
I think their real reasons are more the like the last person who is at least honest, can't be bothered/don't see why I should have to pay.
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Got the jab today, had to go to the hospital so about a 30 mile round trip.
All done in less than 30 mins, fill a form in when you get there, then into the next room which is a waiting room in there for about 5 mins. Then called fwd for the jab, a few questions and the jab. Into another room for 15 for tea and biscuit and then back home.
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>>tea and biscuit and then back home.
:-)
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Whether by luck or good judgement, the Govt. does seem to be doing well on the vaccine rollout so far.
Does one get a choice of biscuit? Hopefully dark chocolate digestives. I suppose I could take my own :-)
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Right, that's it, going back tomorrow to complain, no biscuits or tea at Adams Park in Wycombe where I got my jab this morning, 5 minutes from walking in the door to walking out the exit after the jab, very swift and smooth process.
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No choice, but I did get a couple of very nice cookies. There was some sort of volunteer group helping out.
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>> No choice, but I did get a couple of very nice cookies. There was some
>> sort of volunteer group helping out.
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That’ll probably be the NHS Volunteer Responders / Royal Voluntary Service. Way back when the first lockdown started I signed up to be an NHS Volunteer Responder, which uses an app to push out tasks/calls for help from the local community - generally help with shopping, collecting prescriptions, check-in and chat, that sort of thing. Autumn last year they emailed asking for people to volunteer to support the vaccination roll-out; I did and was allocated the task of ‘Steward’ at my local drive-in vaccination centre, which means standing round in hi-viz directing cars. It’s a bit chilly out there this week!! The app pushes out shifts a few days before and you confirm your attendance at the shifts you want to do.
A pretty good atmosphere down there, and it’s only a few miles from home! I should have trained to give injections though, that pays £25 an hour ;)
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>> A pretty good atmosphere down there, and it’s only a few miles from home! I
>> should have trained to give injections though, that pays £25 an hour ;)
My SiL is off to do that, but on 15 quid an hour I guess it's regional based pay.
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Seems like a big gap for regional differences, though the only datapoint I have is from a consultant so maybe that makes a difference. It shouldn’t, since they don’t need consultant skills to administer a vaccine!! What seems odd is that she wanted to volunteer but would rather not have been paid. That didn’t seem to be an option - I suggested just giving the money to charity ;)
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£100 an hour to be the gaffer in a Hub tomorrow (ie give injections and be clinical lead if someone crashes)
Take off £20.90 for employer superann (NHS pension)
Another £13.50 for employee superann
Then tax the remainder at 41%
£38.70 in my pocket.
Hardly worth it ;-)
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>> £38.70 in my pocket.
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>> Hardly worth it ;-)
How the other half lives......
My rate per hour as a benefit adviser is around £11
Tax/NI c30%
Workplace pension 5%
£7.15 in my pocket
Is overtime worth it?
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Tax is 43% inc NI, you're only getting £37.38... I'd resign!!
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You will hopefully get back the £44-odd pension eventually as well!!.
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>> £38.70 in my pocket.
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>> Hardly worth it ;-)
Surely most doctors invoice through the limited company they use to bill private work and avoid all those annoying deductions. Then lease a BIK friendly Porsche Taycan to extract the cash in a tax efficient way. All before complaining about the impact of the annual allowance taper on their pension while simultaneously highlighting the underfunding in the NHS ;)
(edited - please only include any relevant text from the post you're quoting from, not the whole chapter and verse, as per the pop up request. Thanks)
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Most GPs don't do significant private work and I have never aimed at being a very high earner so am effectively part-time at not-quite-50.
46% moron tax, and that 71% bit where you lose the personal allowance never appealed to me much!
They didn't need me after all so have got a day off.
With the kids :-(
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>>Most GPs don't do significant private work and I have never aimed at being a very high earner so am effectively part-time at not-quite-50
I just discovered that several if not most of the GPs at the practice we're signed up with are part-time. Isn't there a shortage of GPs? Sounds as if there might be something not quite right with the 'system'? Not something I know much about, is this common?
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Speaking to the Dr's I know /work with, there's a big tax disincentive to work lots of hours. Higher income tax and a tax on pension pots to put it simply, so lots prefer to work part time as its not worth working full time.
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>> Speaking to the Dr's I know /work with, there's a big tax disincentive to work
>> lots of hours. Higher income tax and a tax on pension pots to put it
>> simply, so lots prefer to work part time as its not worth working full time.
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The tax issue is one all high earners face unfortunately; however not many still have DB pensions schemes so feel less strongly about the taper relief issue, or at least can work round it. They’ve accepted they’ll have so save anything over £1m out of taxed rather than untaxed income, which is either not an option or not attractive to higher eating DB pension members. It’s possibly u there in the very definition of a first world problem at the moment...
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One of the differences with doctors is that they do have the choice to work part time and I believe at my local health centre very few do a 5 day week. That's not a choice for many others at that salary level.
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It’s possibly u there in the very definition of a
>> first world problem at the moment...
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Most of them, after the initial wtf, are grown up enough to keep their concerns /winges/tax bill chat to themselves and out of earshot of the minions like myself.
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Doc, I am sure your post was tongue in cheek, as many of those on here are, or were, on higher rate tax. In any case I can only say what I told each of my sons when they first started paying higher rate tax, " if you don't want to pay higher rate tax, find something that doesn't pay as much."
Even though I am now retired, like many on here I am still paying tax, just count myself lucky to have enough pension to still be paying tax.
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Lygonos don’t forget that pretty much anything you go onto spend the net amount on will then be subject to further tax/duty.
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>> Doc, I am sure your post was tongue in cheek
Pretty much, though I think it is right and proper that people know how their tax money is being spent.
Also a fair chunk of the population think we are given free pensions as they are "unfunded".
The reality is that they are paid for with a sizeable slab of pre-tax income.
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>> The reality is that they are paid for with a sizeable slab of pre-tax income.
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As are most occupational pensions whether DB or not. The key thing about workplace pensions is the additional contribution from the employer.
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>>The key thing about workplace pensions is the additional contribution from the employer.
Indeed. I am effectively my own employer as well as my staff. The pension contributions effectively go back into general taxation, from whence the pension benefits are paid out.
At the moment this is quite handsomely in favour of government (at least for doctors pensions), but when benefits start to outstrip contributions it's gonna be a hoot.
Will take my pension at 50 (at reduced payout level of course), work even more part-time, and put whatever is left after ISA allowances into a SIPP depending upon how much LTA is left.
Or buy Bitcoin.... ;-)
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>>Will take my pension at 50
Do you have a protected retirement age written in to your pension? The general rule is 55 minimum unless you want to get hammered for tax (to the extent that you wouldn't do it) but I think you probably know that.
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>> Do you have a protected retirement age written in to your pension?
Yes, I joined the "1995" section of the pension scheme in the 1990s and can stay in that section until March 2022* with it's normal retirement age of 60, with actuarily reduced pension available as early as 50.
People who joined that section later do have a minimum age of 55.
* from March 2022 everyone shifts to the "2015" section with a retirement age set to mirror state pension age (67 but liable to change on the whim of govt)
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" Also a fair chunk of the population think we are given free pensions as they are "unfunded".
The reality is that they are paid for with a sizeable slab of pre-tax income."
Welcome to my world.
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"Hardly worth it ;-)"
My community-spirited mate (retired GP) didn't have this issue - he simply eschewed the £98k p/r on offer to him and is vaccinating for free; he is a good man.
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AZ for us Thur.
I expect it is jab n go.
IIRC with the other main jab it is wait 15mins before they kick you out or ask for the tea cup back :-)
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Chile finally got started on vaccinations middle last week. As expected they're now running like a train.
6.25% done so far and accelerating.
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Presumably you qualify do you?
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I do indeed. Monday I think.
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Given my age I am probably due it in the next two weeks. I was hoping to be given an appointment at some distant hub. It could be a nice drive in my first outing since last year. However they have just begun doing them at the Leisure Centre a couple of minutes walk from my home.
Spoilsports ;-).
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>> Chile finally got started on vaccinations middle last week. As expected they're now running like
>> a train.
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>> 6.25% done so far and accelerating.
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ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
Impressive start, as good as Israel I'd say.
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Tea and biscuits were not on offer when I had mine last week, 10 mins from car to jab in a batch of 50,15 minutes were spent in the car whilst they cracked on with the next batch of 50 on the other side of the sports hall.
Their website did have photos of the doctors and volunteers tucking into free pizza supplied by Dominos and more healthily, fresh fruit and other goodies supplied free by Tesco.
Lots of people apparently dropping of biscuits snd chocolates as well.
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No tea 'n bics for me either, local plod seem to be using it as their "refs" stop tho.
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From what I've been told you only get tea and biscuits after the Pfizer jab because the makers advise sitting down for fifteen minutes afterwards to see if there is a reacaction. No requirement for this after the AZ one.
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I wonder if I'll get a portion of spring rolls after my Sinovac jab.
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>> Not boiled bat?
I think I prefer something vegetarian, I've never fancied the role of cross-over species.
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>> >> Not boiled bat?
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>> I think I prefer something vegetarian, I've never fancied the role of cross-over species.
Like Pangolin Pie?
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Boiled bat? Yuck!
It'll be as chewy as my hiking boots and probably taste the same. Bat has to be stir fried very quickly in a hot wok! Add some crunchy veggies and keep flipping the wok for another 30 seconds or so. Take from the heat and add the chillies, pak choi and a dash of light soy sauce. Voila!
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>> From what I've been told you only get tea and biscuits after the Pfizer jab
>> because the makers advise sitting down for fifteen minutes afterwards to see if there is
>> a reacaction. No requirement for this after the AZ one.
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That's what they tell you to avoid handing out the choccy biccies.
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No tea or biccies for me after the Pfizer jab, just a sit for 15 minutes in a marquee
We were brought up to be tough in Middlesex.
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Ooh the censor strikes again! We can't write ma key. Perhaps I should have said tent?
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Mar quis would give you some funny effects, I'm sure Dave would be pleased to show you
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>> Mar quis would give you some funny effects, I'm sure Dave would be pleased to show you
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Huh! For anyone that saw my initial reply to this, it was supposed to be witty but it turned out that I can't do it either.
Obviously an untrusted junior mod, me!! :-)
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>> Ooh the censor strikes again! We can't write ma key. Perhaps I should have said
>> tent?
Hah! I remember why. "marquee" is an HTML command causing text to scroll across the screen. Dave doesn't like scrolling text so it got put in the swear filter.
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>> Dave doesn't like scrolling text so it got put in the swear filter.
I think it was actually someone who was living in Leamington Spa at the time.
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>> >> Dave doesn't like scrolling text so it got put in the swear filter.
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>> I think it was actually someone who was living in Leamington Spa at the time.
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Was it? You may well be correct, I don't remember.
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>> Was it? You may well be correct, I don't remember.
I hadn't been a mod for very long, IIRC. We had someone new who did it, closely followed by everyone else and their uncle once it was revealed how to do it. It got completely out of hand in the end so we (you) took some of the toys away from them.
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>>I hadn't been a mod for very long, IIRC
You have learned well, Grasshopper.
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>> I think it was actually someone who was living in Leamington Spa at the time.
Memory test! Didn't he prefer the full description 'Royal Leamington Spa' or 'RLS'? And didn't he recommended a certain business in that town - a jewlers, perhaps?
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RLBS, as I recall. Strange bloke though.
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>> No tea or biccies for me after the Pfizer jab, just a sit for 15 minutes in a marquee.
We had the helpers get us some chairs and we sat by a radiator inside by the exit.
I did note the army tents outside.
>> We were brought up to be tough in Middlesex.
We too but we also learned how to dodge as well.
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They've just announced here that irregular (illegal) immigrants will be vaccinated along with everybody else and without repercussions.
The sensible approach, I think.
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>> They've just announced here that irregular (illegal) immigrants will be vaccinated along with everybody else
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>> The sensible approach, I think.
Same in UK.
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Here the news was most greeted with a shrug. There'd have been a stronger reaction if they hadn't decided that way, I think.
How did the xenophobic tabloid readers of the UK cope with the idea?
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Not well. They dont realise that illegal immigrants wont catch it, or incubate it, and then spread it to the "normal" people like them.
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The Sun threw a hissy fit this week because Gary Glitter got the vaccination.
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>> The Sun threw a hissy fit this week because Gary Glitter got the vaccination.
Oh dear Lord, the knuckle draggers must be apoplectic .
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>> The Sun threw a hissy fit this week because Gary Glitter got the vaccination.
My apologies if some find this too lightweight for this thread. But, anyway, you know how they do those tenuous claims to fame things on the radio sometimes?
Well, I once went to view a cottage in Somerset that I might have wanted to buy, that had previously belonged to Gary Glitter. Had a fire pit in the sitting room. Didn't buy it, nice cottage, wrong village.
And...I once went to a Gary Glitter concert with some other drunk people at Shepton Mallet showground.
We didn't "know" about Gary Glitter then, and the concert, while musically challenged, was fun.
Life, is so full of coincidences.
Anyway, there you are, back to injections.
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>>Life, is so full of coincidences.
You're not wrong.
In a friend's bar, in Santiago, Chile about 2 months ago, chatting with the manager who I know fairly well. Turns out about 45 years ago and 8,000 miles away we were playing for rival rugby teams and *must* have played against each other.
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>> >>Life, is so full of coincidences.
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>> In a friend's bar, in Santiago, Chile about 2 months ago, chatting with the manager
>> who I know fairly well. Turns out about 45 years ago and 8,000 miles away
>> we were playing for rival rugby teams and *must* have played against each other.
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Called at a house in a remote village at the foothills of the Preselis to make a delivery about ten years back and got talking to the woman who had an obvious London accent. On comparing notes it turned out her parents had been my next door neighbours for years when I was growing up in east London. She herself had moved out to get married the year we moved in and I vaguely remembered her.
Her father (A lovely bloke) had been waiting outside to tell me that my father was dead after I got a call to come home from work one evening because he'd had an accident.
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Coincidences.
Late ‘97 i was flying economy long haul ( I always fly economy) and one of the cabin crew commented on my Yorkshire accent. Same accent as the Captain. Long story short I spent about 5 hours, probably more, in the cockpit chatting about mutual friends...he partnered my best pal in tennis doubles. Unfortunately I had to return to my seat for landing, but as someone with an interest in aviation it was a great few hours.
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Coincidences:
In the early eighties winter snow in the north Pennines was sufficiently predicable for the Youth Hostel at Dufton to offer Cross Country ski weekends. A number of us from the Harrow/Wembley YHA local group attended such a weekend in early 1982. Chatting to a couple it emerged that not only was he a pal of one of my flatmates but he and his girl were to visit us a week or two later.
The same flatmate, Steve, who came from Chichester, had other friends who had been trainee airmen at RAF Henlow. On a social occasion with them he'd met a plane spotting mate of mine from Leeds who was training as an RAF technician and had been at Henlow
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I too went on one of those weekends...totally forgotten about it. Last time I was in the Stag Inn was 2018 when we left our cars in Dufton for a long weekend as my walking group (Lakeland LDWA) were walking the Pennine Way that year in stages.
We now only have the final section of the SUWay to complete, which was 2019s goal.
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"They've just announced here that irregular (illegal) immigrants will be vaccinated along with everybody else and without repercussions."
Was that a U-turn after this was published?
chiletoday.cl/chile-shows-illegal-immigrants-the-door/
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