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Britain leaving the EU is equivalent to 19 countries simultaneously leaving the single market.
The impact on the EU is considerably larger than that on Britain, says German MEP.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2oTLKVKd7E
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I think his figures are dodgy, but he makes valid points. Just 2 years too late.
I don't really think the impact will be worse for the EU, but the fact is that it's not going to be good for anybody. I can't get any comfort over thinking that one is suffering more than the other.
But let's say that the EU came back and said, ok we'll suspect freedom of movement for 10 years.
Would that cause the UK to say "Oh, alright, we'll stay in the EU then"? No, it would not. Because the fishermen would want deals on fish, the farms on farms, the bankers on finance etc, etc, etc. It wouldn't stop the arguments about the ECJ and sovereignty, it wouldn't stop the arguments about where laws are made.
Pandora's box has been opened.
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So it's okay to leave and cause untold damage on our economy if we also damage the EU. How does that help us?
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It’s always so much easier to destroy something than it is to create it. Brexit will almost certainly prove detrimental to the economies of both the U.K. and the remaining states.
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Apropos of not much other than banging on what a pain Dyson is, I came across this from 2000
www.theguardian.com/business/2000/nov/05/theobserver.observerbusiness4
Basically, "If we don't join the Euro then I will build my factories in Malaysia".
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Would anyone with any sense buy his crap cars ?
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No. But some might.
The mainstream companies making fully electric cars will have economies of scale. Even Tesla might have left it too late to get affordable Model 3's available. None of the cheaper models are available and the big subsidies in the USA are gone (or will be soon). Lots of cancelled orders.
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>> None of the cheaper models are available
A $46k 260 mile "mid-range" version is now available. Whether they ever get to a $35k base 220 mile model I've no idea but they have made a decent profit last quarter ($330m on sales of $7bn or so).
>>Lots of cancelled orders
Not really cancelled orders, more early depositers. Around 100k out of 460k have asked for their grand back.
If Tesla can remain profitable and get the Model Y crossover out in 18 months or so their future should be at least as solid as traditional makers, possibly more so.
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The most unreliable item we have ever bought, was one of their vacuum cleaners.
Cars? Perish the thought.
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Bee leave it or knot - I haves 6 (SIX!) vacuum cleaners in this owse, but no Dyson's.
2 x Miele, 2 x VAX, a Karcher, and a cheapo Beldray thing.
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We prefer to support our own factories, we have two Henrys which also happen to be excellent vacuums. One lives upstairs, the other down, as they are a bit bulky - perhaps its only real criticism.
Never had a Dyson because I've never bought into the bagless concept. Once the chamber is full, you've got to empty it into something, usually a bag...But people we've met who have them seem quite happy although I've heard the odd comment that the old Malmsbury-built ones were more robust.
He does employ a lot of skilled people in the UK though but it leaves the wider issue of what do we do with those who can't be engineers. A healthy economy needs a broad spectrum of jobs.
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Got a Gtech rechargeable job - works ok
Also have a Kirby I bought from ebay which is exceptional but having to plug it on is a pain as my house is pretty big.
Plugging in cars is another matter :-)
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It is only good business for Dyson to find the most profitable way to achieve his objectives. Singapore seems very business-friendly, ready to devote some of what remains of the free space on the island to investors, having few trade restrictions and based near its supply sources and potential markets, in China.
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It may well be good business for him, but it doesn't align with what he has previously said when berating the EU. An organisation that Dyson only hates because he lost a court case with them, a behaviour trait which is in keeping with his typical approach, I understand.
A deeply unpleasant man by all accounts.
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Didn't he win the one about the vacuum cleaner test/rules, or is this another one?
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He's not afraid of a court case...
news.sky.com/story/dyson-and-ex-boss-max-conze-square-up-for-legal-fight-11127876
I have been told by engineers that used to work there that they only ever see a small part of a project - everything is "Chinese Walled" so they don't get the whole picture of the product that they are working on.
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He lost in the original court after a long fight, then won on appeal, then it was sent back to the original court for judgement, and then I don't know what happened.
Essentially though keeping it in the courts for 5 years, or whatever it ended up being, was a 'loss' for him. Hence his anger.
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Yes, though that story doesn't give the final conclusion either.
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Reading that DT article it seems there is still an ongoing court case by dyson related to this on a similar issue.
Who knew vacuum cleaners labels would keep the legal profession in such good business?
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Even once we are out of the EU and outside the jurisdiction of the ECJ, when it comes to Dyson selling into the EU market he still has to follow their rules and standards.
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They're sucking it up Sooty...
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...taking somebody to the cleaners.....?
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I suppose, like anyone they'll hoover up what work comes their way.
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Sorry I haven't read the article but I guess this is why he has added to his adverts that Dyson are no longer developing corded vacuums and gone over to 100% battery.
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Vacuum power is largely willy-waving - the maximum suction you can create at sea level is ~14psi.
Most of the energy used is noise and heat.
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I'm sure BBD will be along shortly to comment on who managed maximum suction on his waving willy
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"Vacuum power is largely willy-waving..... Most of the energy used is noise and heat."
A bit like cars then - 1.5L is enough for anybody ;-)
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Well yes but it all about how much air you can constantly shift and moving air requires power so wattage is important and significant in judging the effectiveness of a cleaner. There is of course a limit to useful power in a domestic machine.
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A commemorative 50p coin to mark the UK's departure from the EU
Is there any chance of those 50p coins later turning up on Ebay for £5 as collectors' items?
EU will have to remove UK from all coins going forward. Depending on whether NI stays on CU/SM wonder whether EU can legally show NI in their coins.
:p
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>> EU will have to remove UK from all coins going forward. Depending on whether NI
>> stays on CU/SM wonder whether EU can legally show NI in their coins.
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.......which coins would they be, then?
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He/she has grasped our membership of the EU well I think.
I'll check my Euros for the Union Jack ;-)
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....seems the …….. have been planning for Brexit for years.....
;-)
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I'm still annoyed that the Welsh dragon isn't on the Union Flag.
Although as an in-joke for a project I once put a monkey on every page of a document for the customer. It was shrunk down to a tiny size in the header of every page. There was a reason for it being monkey.
That project in the end went really well. The problem people were got rid of at the customer. It took perseverance, patience and a Y2K deadline :-)
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I guess I'm missing something - but what's a monkey (or, for that matter, any of your anecdote) got to do with anything in this thread???
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Have you never heard of thread drift?
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Yeah but it usually makes some sense...
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>> Yeah but it usually makes some sense...
I know how monkey got into this thread
www.waitrosecellar.com/spirit-type/monkey-47-gin-50cl-452258
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> Although as an in-joke for a project I once put a monkey on every page...
I guess you had to be there.
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>> I'm still annoyed that the Welsh dragon isn't on the Union Flag.
It's already there. Bright red and slap bang in the middle.
Just very well camouflaged.
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Just burn a hole in the middle, then say "well it was there"
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"Although as an in-joke for a project I once put a monkey on every page of a document for the customer."
Good for you, I do things like that too, and I know other people who do it. It's fun. I illustrated a series of poster/banners for a restaurant which hang outside. I would slip in a comment about the client (her breasts, probably) and hide it in there in the pizza somewhere, disguised as stretchy cheese. They were minuscule on screen, but blown up to about 3m tall you could read them easily - if you knew where to look. I illustrated a series of books and would always try and hide the editor's name in there if they were quite busy images. She had to spot it, a bit like finding Wally. We have to while away the hours, don't we?
James May was fired from a magazine when they noticed the Initial caps on a spread would make a sentence when all laid out together. That must have taken years.
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>> Is there any chance of those 50p coins later turning up on Ebay for £5
>> as collectors' items
How many can I sell you?
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Is this the coin that's going to have Boris on two faces?
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Ho Ho Ho,
(Buffoon style laugh)
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>> A commemorative 50p coin to mark the UK's departure from the EU
Designs of the coin have been leaked.
pbs.twimg.com/media/Dqqu04hWkAErA_O.jpg
pbs.twimg.com/media/Dqqu04iWoAA_l5-.jpg
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I needed a laugh today, well done.
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Remember ages ago when some thought the idea of airline chaos was just Project Fear because it was nothing to do with the EU?
Remember when I tried to explain to them, as they ran away, that they were wrong?
This, from the Granuad.
www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/24/no-deal-brexit-would-halt-most-uk-spain-flights-industry-says?CMP=share_btn_fb&fbclid=IwAR3S53nko8ftH-o_Jc9_cnifQkQH-8_7NQxCHmYjaDOJfYW2VtXlUMGrwTM
"Brexit secretary David Davis committed the UK to leaving the European Common Aviation Area and all other EU-negotiated agreements."
Thank you, you twit. Clearly a Kent man who also ran away when he realised how bad it was getting..
We need a deal. It almost doesn't matter what deal, we just need a deal that comes with the longest transition period possible.
www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/10/24/it-s-official-we-ve-run-out-of-time-to-prepare-for-no-deal?fbclid=IwAR0XGirYGR_p_lmW3_kvOUdrCIVtm9NX__Ibo_bm75rq43_aQ-Ksw75SqfE
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I think I'll clear some space in the cellar for the emergency supplies.
The second article is a bit worrying isn't it. And criminals knowing there are little to no border checks to begin with can ship in all sorts I would imagine.
This sentence shows how stupid Theresa May was (or just arrogant):
"But what's truly shocking, whatever else you might think of the rights or wrongs of Brexit, is that Article 50 was triggered without having come up with a formal and deliverable plan for what would happen when it reached its default outcome, which is no-deal."
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Dear God, read your own link for crying out loud.
So this is the link you prefer, so let's ACTUALLY READ IT!
"In order to ensure permissions were granted and flights continued, the UK’s preference would be to agree a basic arrangement or understanding on a multilateral basis between the UK and the EU."
"The UK's preference would be..."?? Of course it would be. But that is not the case and is not in progress
"Alternatively, bilateral arrangements between the UK and an individual EU country could be put in place, specifying the conditions under which air services would be permitted. By definition any such agreement would be reciprocal in nature. The European Commission has previously acknowledged that a ‘bare bones’ agreement on air services would be desirable in the event of the UK leaving with ‘no deal’.
"bilateral arrangements ... could be put in place"?? Of course it could be. But that is not the case.
"desirable"? You understand "desirable"? That doesn't mean it exists.
"UK-licensed airlines would need two associated permissions in order to operate to the EU..... so airlines should start consulting the national aviation authorities within the relevant EU countries for details of how they grant foreign airlines permission to operate.""
I know, THAT IS THE POINT. They have not got them and they do not have time.
"Second, airlines from outside the EU require a safety authorisation from the EASA, known as “Part-TCOâ€. EASA has yet to provide the details for how and when it would process applications from UK airlines in advance of the UK leaving the EU."
Yet to provide details?? THAT IS THE POINT
"However, the UK would expect the recognition of equivalent safety standards to be on a reciprocal basis.
Ohhh, I see, we would expect, to that's pk then.
IT HAS NOT BEEN DONE. WITHOUT A DEAL THERE IS NOT TIME.
INSTEAD OF TRYING TO BE SMUG, READ AND LEARN.
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>>INSTEAD OF TRYING TO BE SMUG, READ AND LEARN.<<
Patronising?
Practice what you preach.
20+ minutes? Must do better.
Pat
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I read everything people write on this thread. Sometimes I learn from it, sometimes I have to explain it.
Why do you insist on posting stuff that you have either not read or do not understand? Surely you don't think it is achieving anything?
Or is this still your stated goal of posting to make me angry?
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Why does it anger you so much when someone posts a far more straightforward and BALANCED view?
Is it beyond your capability to look at the FULL picture before making sweeping biased statements?
Your anger is your problem, deal with it, I really couldn't care less whether you're angry or not:)
Pat
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In what way was it more balanced? And straightforward? how do you work that out?
And in any case you said "A broader and much more factual view."
How was it broader? and *much much* more factual?
Did you even read it? Did you understand it 100% backed up what I had said and the Guardian article?
As for why it angers me, because you post things which you do not understand and misrepresent them as being something else.
You constantly make up statements which are entirely inaccurate and wrong. I don't know if you do it on purpose as some kind of propaganda war, or you believe what you write.
You are not capable of defending or explaining what you post, or explaining why anything else is wrong or inaccurate. In fact, whenever you are asked a difficult question you just run away or resort to childish stuff.
Therefore you leave these dangerous disinformations all over the place which an unwary person might take as valid if they were left unchallenged.
That is irresponsible and wrong.
As for not caring whether or not you care about my anger, does that mean you are posting this stuff because you are trying to make a point then?
What point would that be?.
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This is the point
>>Therefore you leave these dangerous disinformations all over the place which an unwary person might take as valid if they were left unchallenged.
That is irresponsible and wrong.<<
I am countering exactly what you do, unchallenged day after day.
Proof is your reaction when it's challenged.
What is irresponsible is assuming someone is incapable when they have a choice, but that choice isn't the one you want.
Pat
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>>I am countering exactly what you do, unchallenged day after day.
No, you are not. Do you understand what "countering" means?
I read every link I post, I consider every statement I make, I can back them both up with logic and facts.
Every. Single. Time.
You post statements which are wrong, which you cannot support, and which you do not understand. You post links you have not read and make comments about them which are not true.
You are incapable of explaining or justifying anything you ever write.
Can you see the subtle difference?
>>What is irresponsible is assuming someone is incapable when they have a choice, but that choice isn't the one you want.
Oh really. Back to the Referendum? Or are you saying that not allowing airplanes to fly is a choice? Or are you saying that posting stuff you don't understand is a choice?
What are you, in fact, saying?
And I have nothing to say about your choice, but I can most certainly back up the statements I make about your knowledge and behaviour.
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>> Why does it anger you so much when someone posts a far more straightforward and
>> BALANCED view?
Pat,
The item you linked to is effectively a government 'wish list' of how it hopes matters will pan out in event of a no agreement departure from EU. Very little of it is guaranteed, Mr Micawber had a hand in the drafting.
Ryanair is a major operator of air services within UK and from UK to rest of EU. It's not a UK company and not one of its 450 planes is registered in the UK.
Easy Jet has spent significant money transferring a big chunk of its fleet off the UK register and is talking of obtaining licences for crew from same EU country.
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>>Mr Micawber
Bromp,
I've noticed you post a Micawber reference a couple of times and it is not one I am familiar with. What does it mean/imply?
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That gave me enough to Google it. Turns out it's an actual principle. Who knew? I didn't. Every day a school day.
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>> That gave me enough to Google it. Turns out it's an actual principle.
Its often a default outcome, especially if you consciously and deliberately chose the "do nothing" course of action.
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From Dickens' David Copperfield
Wikipedia says "Micawber is known for asserting his faith that "something will turn up"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilkins_Micawber
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A character from David Copperfield who based his life on the optimistic view that something will turn up.
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So, pretty much seems that I am the only one who didn't know.
I feel shamed.
Thank you everybody, I shall seek an opportunity to use it.
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Not quite as well known as another oft-used Mr Micawber quote:
“Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen pounds nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery.â€
...surely you must have come up against that?
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Well, I have absolutely heard that principle in similar words, but honestly I don't remember it being attributed.
A clear failing, dunno how it escaped me.
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In defense of Mr Micawbers view of life it should be noted that in the novel Micawber and his family emigrate to Australia where Micawber becomes manager of the Port Middlebay Bank and a successful government magistrate.
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...yeah.....though that's as much fiction as some of the stuff up-thread.....
;-)
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>> ...yeah.....though that's as much fiction as some of the stuff up-thread.....
openclipart.org/detail/263346/raspberry
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I was supposed to read various Dickens at school. I found them interminably boring. Since David Copperfield was one I was definitely supposed to read I guess I really was a rubbish student.
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"I was supposed to read various Dickens at school."
I never read any of the classics at school. Then one day, I happened to have one and I read it on the tube. 50 minutes in the morning, 50 minutes in the evening. When I finished that one, I was itching for another. I slowly starting to tick them off. Then suddenly, The Metro was launched and my IQ dropped 25%.
I never read another book again. Except for Clive Cussler of course, you don't sit by the pool without a bit of Pitt.
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Being forced to read David Copperfield for O level English Literature really put me off Dickens for years. I re-read it some years back now and saw it in a new light. Worth trying again.
Micaber has another great line from when he fell on hard times which those who promoted “Leaveâ€might yet find apposite
“Welcome poverty! Welcome misery, welcome houselessness, welcome hunger, rags, tempest, and beggary! Mutual confidence will sustain us to the end!â€
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>> So, pretty much seems that I am the only one who didn't know.
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You aren't, I'd never heard of it either.
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Well, that makes me feel a bit better. What about Old Navy's mention of MFV, do you know that one?
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Roger's mention you mean, I saw the answer in the side bar first tbh. I think I could have worked it out though. Probably.
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Sorry, Roger, yes.
Mmm, well I didn't. I kept coming up with something somewhat more "Samuel L Jackson" for the MF. and then couldn't get passed it.
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I know what you mean, I get them sometimes when I'm watching Pointless.
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>> Bromp,
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>> I've noticed you post a Micawber reference a couple of times and it is not
>> one I am familiar with. What does it mean/imply?
Others have nailed it in my absence. First came across it about 30years ago when my then manager suggested I had a Micawberish approach to planning for staff absences.
He wasn't wrong.....
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Pat,
Without getting involved in crossfire between you and NoFM please could you explain why you believe the government can actually deliver the agreements the document you linked to says are necessary?
(I have a sense of deja vu around some previous discussion on Brexit where you suggested one government's position papers of what they intended meant it would all be fine).
Meanwhile in another part of the forest the Home Affairs Committee were interviewing a Home Office Minister (Caroline Nokes) on practical stuff about the right to work. In particular explain how, a year from now, and employer could tell a newly arrived Frenchwoman from one resident here for years who'd popped home to see her Granny. The latter has a right to work the former may not.
Here's a newspaper account:
www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/30/employers-required-brexit-check-eu-nationals-right-to-work-uk
Or you can watch the real thing:
www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/2f8d494a-f7fa-469c-bde2-032b456e7c15
The meat is in the ten or so minutes from 13:40, the highlight is from 13:50 onwards.
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>> explain how, a year from now, and employer could tell a newly arrived Frenchwoman from one resident here for years who'd popped home to see her Granny. The latter has a right to work the former may not.
Easy
[1] Any EU national who spent over 5 years in UK should get British passport of permanent residency. That is proof of right to work/live in UK.
[2] Any new EU arrivals after Brexit will get passport stamp showing either tourist visa or work permit. This is proof (or lack of) of right of work in UK.
[3] Anyone who came before cut off date and not yet spend 5 years should get a time limited residence permit until 5th year after which they can apply for residency/citizenship.
This is how it works for non-EU nationals anyway.
Yes, it does mean EU nationals have to apply for some permits. If they don't like that process they can leave UK. Non-EU nationals have gone thru same process for years.
So the problem is not at all difficult to solve.
If I am an employer, I'd ask candidates to show proof of right to work in UK. If they can't convince me, I have the option to [1] hire another candidate who can prove e.g. British citizen [2] apply for permit if I really want to employ that guy.
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>>Stamp in a passport
Stamp in a passport? Really? Whose going to do the stamping; the last time I went through Heathrow my passport was inspected by a machine.
OTOH, I am wondering what NoFM2R and Brompton were doing towards the end of 1999 in terms of Y2K preparations.
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Making a fortune program working with a variety of worried customers in various parts of the world. Some of whom, though not all, had good reason to worry.
Much as I'd be doing with Brexit if I still worked.
Why?
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>>Making a fortune program working with a variety of worried customers in various parts
>>of the world. Some of whom, though not all, had good reason to worry.
Tell everybody they have cause to worry, make a fortune out of even the ones who have no need to.
There is no way that 95% of the 5,000 flights per day between the UK and Spain will stop on 31 March. Spain would struggle financially within moments and this would be on account of the intransigence of the EU, and that would not be pretty for the EU.
Now of course people in authority need to make sure that something happens, but it really is a remote possibility that it is something to be worrying the man in the street. Just like Y2k.
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I hope, really genuinely hope, that you are correct. and there is no call to worry.
>>Tell everybody they have cause to worry, make a fortune out of even the ones who have no need to.
But you really shouldn't judge others by your own standards. Especially when you're driven by bitterness and envy.
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>> this would be on account of the intransigence of the EU
Meh, not really. And certainly not wholly. It is us that is being intransigent about the ECJ, which even non-EU members accept in this area.
I don't think flights will stop either. But I guarantee they ardent Leavers aren't going to like what it will take to keep them flying.
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>> Stamp in a passport? Really? Whose going to do the stamping; the last time I went through Heathrow my passport was inspected by a machine.
Because you have EU e-passport. All non EU passports are inspected and stamped by UKBA on arrival to UK.
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Easy?
You didn't answer the question which was *how* could they tell the difference.
I wonder if your attitude would be the same if you had come from an EU country.
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Assuming "they" = employers, then I have already answered the question.
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>> Assuming "they" = employers, then I have already answered the question.
"Any EU national who spent over 5 years in UK should get British passport of permanent residency. That is proof of right to work/live in UK."
How do you know how long they have been here? How do they prove it?
Why would they want a British Passport? Why would we necessarily want to give them one?
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>> How do you know how long they have been here? How do they prove it?
Again easy task - same way a non-EU national proves it.
* Payslips/Bank statement/Utility bills
* HMRC/NI records
* Rental agreement/property ownership
* Registration with NHS
* History of address in UK
>> Why would they want a British Passport? Why would we necessarily want to give them one?
Once someone has spent 5 years in UK (under tier 1/tier 2) anyone can apply for permanent residency and then after 1 year get British citizenship. Unless somone is guilty of criminal offence of similar, Home Office can't reject such applications.
As UK allows dual citizenship, it would in the interest of non-EU nationals to get UK passport if they want to continue living in UK.
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>> [1] Any EU national who spent over 5 years in UK should get British passport
>> of permanent residency. That is proof of right to work/live in UK.
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They might not want a British passport. People still have a national identity. I went out with a Canadian Girl who had permanent leave to remain in the UK (and her Grandad was British) but she was fiercely Canadian. I suspect many others are the same.
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>> So the problem is not at all difficult to solve.
Did you actually read the press report or watch the link where the Immigration Minister was being grilled by a Commons Committee.
There is no reason why EU nationals should apply for UK citizenship. Even if they do some countries may not allow dual nationality; they'd have to give up their own citizenship.
Even if you do apply it's not straightforward as the experiences of the Windrush generation testify. The 'hostile environment' may not be mentioned any more but it's
There should be some sort of proof for EU citizens who already have a right to work. Five years is not relevant there, they can arrive today and right up to 28-3-19 and possibly beyond (subject to transition agreement) and still have right to work. My colleague is Polish and has been here for approx 18 months. She has every right to work but not residence rights which kick in after 5 years.
It's quite clear from MS Nokes's prevarication before committee that government are not even in starting blocks for setting up a system of registration in relation to right to work.
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>> A broader and much more factual view.
Call it what you like but your linked article says at present flights cannot operate if there is no deal.
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I’m due to fly home from Spain early April after a few months away. The possibility of no flights you say. Oh dear, how sad, never mind. I was returning early May anyway.
I don’t see the problem with having to obtain a visa should that become necessary. I hope it doesn’t, but getting an ESTA for travel to the USA ( which doesn’t guarantee admission) and a visa for Turkey where I visit regularly, isn’t a major difficulty. Just as easy, if not easier, than booking my flights online.
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and a visa for Turkey where I visit regularly, isn’t a major
>> difficulty. Just as easy, if not easier, than booking my flights online.
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Is that a new thing? I'm pretty sure when I was there for a month about 3 years ago I didn't get one.
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I went on a cruise which started in Turkey about 3 years ago, so we flew in and sailed out eh same day and we needed a visa.
btw Egypt visas can now be done online (as of earlier this year I believe) and that saves having to cough up the cash (only, no cards accepted) at the door, which I always felt was probably a nice little earner for the staff on the gate, but I'm probably being unfair.
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I paid for Egypt visa via credit card after landing in Cairo airport.
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Well maybe that just confirms my theory that it's an earner for the official, as when I've tried in Hurghada they insist on cash. I can't remember the cost but it was something like $25 or £20 and a few trips back I offered dollars (just cos I had some to get rid of) but he insisted on sterling.
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I used to regularly fly out to Bodrum from LBA with Monarch commencing Spring 2016. I got the visa online, $20 I think, valid for 6 months.
Unfortunately the reason for flying out went the same way as Monarch.....it was a chicken and egg situation.
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The 'magic' number of 100,000 sigs has been reached:
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/226071
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Oh good. So Parliament can spend valuable time discussing something which isn't even being considered to further appease the Leave voters when they already have plenty of much more important stuff on their plate, also thanks to the Leave vote.
On a more serious note, I'm quite surprised that with more than 17m previously-committed voters that it took quite so long to mobilise 100,000 people. Maybe there is a lower level of commitment?
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On a more serious note, I'm quite surprised that with more than 17m previously-committed voters
>> that it took quite so long to mobilise 100,000 people. Maybe there is a lower
>> level of commitment?
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More likely it's because it's got such a low probability of happening.
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>>I'm quite surprised that with more than 17m previously-committed voters that it took quite so long to mobilise 100,000 people. Maybe there is a lower level of commitment?
Yeah, me and the ole woman have discussed that too but, where else have you seen or heard about sed petition?
I originally stumbled upon it in the Daily Express, a newspaper? I only glance at once in a while for a larf.
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Brexit Discussion - Volume 62 - Dog
