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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-30370570
The sort of comment you'd have heard from Hitler in the 30s.
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b***** hell, its not often a thread *starts* with a mention of Hitler.
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Inverse Godwins - by page 100 we'll have the complete works of Buddha.
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>> b***** hell, its not often a thread *starts* with a mention of Hitler.
Its the UKIP thread, anything can and does happen in the UKIP thread.
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>> The sort of comment you'd have heard from Hitler in the 30s.
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Hitler was held up on the M4?
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Once the hitler hit the fan, the carphoud wasn't held up anywhere. Outriders cleared the way just as they do for our monarch, although probably less discreetly and with a lot more general fanfare and jostling.
They did have very nice motors, the nazis. Big and overbearing, but quality horseflesh.
I think I've shaken hands with someone who once shook hands with Hitler, but i can't remember who so it may be an illusion. I certainly have met someone with an Auschwitz code number tattooed on her forearm. That made me go quite quiet for a good day or two actually, the real thing, hell's bells! A friend of my late mother in law.
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I wonder what Adolf's views were on breastfeeding.
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Adolf was breastfed until he was somewhere between 3 and 5 years old, so I'm guessing he had a view...
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I didn't know Adolph wore glasses.
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>> Adolf was breastfed until he was somewhere between 3 and 5 years old,
Didn't do him much good. He ended up a wimp, puritan and world-class sadist.
There's such a thing as a 'bad breast'. Listen to the great Dr Melanie Klein and her guru Freud, if you dare.
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According to QI the other night babies were regularly suckled by goats in the 18th century if a wet nurse was not available. Perhaps Claridges should have a few out the back for emergencies
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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30366982
I thought that according to UKIP the BBC was full of lefties
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Nigel Farage on Facebook a few minutes ago.
"Britain's national infrastructure *is* affected by the hundreds of thousands of migrants coming to the UK every year.
This fact was observed just last month by Govt. Minister James Brokenshire, as well in August's Telegraph, by the Emeritus Prof of Economics at Cambridge University, who said this year that "Unrestrained population growth would eventually have a negative impact on the standard of living through its environmental effects such as overcrowding, congestion and loss of amenity.â€
The police, Home Office and NHS staff across the country have already reflected on this fact.
But when *I* say it, the Mail, Telegraph, Independent, and other newspapers seem to have to report it as some sort of scandal.
Do you see what they're doing here?"
Road rage, methinks, but keeps us in the news :-)
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Just because he says stuff don't make it true.
See also Farage's views on breastfeeding and the Law.
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"Britain's national infrastructure *is* affected by the hundreds of thousands of migrants coming to the UK every year.
It surely is. Without them there would be nobody to serve me with a cup of coffee at Motorway Services at 2.00 a.m.
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>> "Britain's national infrastructure *is* affected by the hundreds of thousands of migrants coming to the
>> UK every year.
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>> It surely is. Without them there would be no.....
Motorways. Built mostly by Irish immigrants.
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I read a couple of days ago, that Frank Field MP also recognises that the country has become overpopulated. I think he's a Labour chappie, isn't he?
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>> I read a couple of days ago, that Frank Field MP also recognises that the
>> country has become overpopulated. I think he's a Labour chappie, isn't he?
Semi detached.
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"Semi detached."
Last time I heard him, he was sufficiently attached to be annoyed about his boss's axing of the 10p tax rate.
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More than half a decade ago then.
I don't think Immigrantphobia is entirely owned by the right-of-centrists.
Plenty of small-C conservatism on the left too.
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>> small-C conservatism on the left
I think what you mean is rabid working-class reaction running wild in the Labour party Lygonos, with all due whassername...
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>> Last time I heard him, he was sufficiently attached to be annoyed about his boss's
>> axing of the 10p tax rate.
And on that point he was quite right too but if his annoyance was allowed to be visible then it's part of his becoming detached.
Been regarded as a loose cannon for some time. My friend and ex colleague who was in Social Security policy at time FF and Harriet Harman were Ministers tells some stories........
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"And on that point he was quite right too"
Absolutely - my daughter earns just north of the minimum wage.
"Been regarded as a loose cannon"
Realism is not unknown amongst some lefties, though it wouldn't be recognised by the Grauniadisti.
Harriet Harpie - not just a champagne socialist, but a menace on our roads as well! A dreadful woman. Mind you, as she drives like a loon, AC no doubt appreciates her.
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>>also recognises that the country has become overpopulated
"also recognises"? You mean "also believes"?
By what metric have you decided it is over populated?
One point that UKIP and their fellow bandwagon riders seem to fail to understand is that legal immigrants represent little or no issue. Illegal immigrants perhaps represent a larger issue and most certainly a larger "drain" on the country.
I assume that since they believe attacking legal immigration will impact illegal immigration they also believe that reducing the DD limit for the law abiding will restrict the reckless drunken?
Its just driven by a ridiculous need to seek a whipping boy because that's easier than understanding what's really going on.
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"By what metric have you decided it is over populated?"
There are all sorts of 'deniers' - and, in a way, I admire their unrealistic optimism. There are credit-card-bill deniers, climate-change deniers, flood-risk deniers etc. There aren't many over-population deniers, though, and I can only wonder at that sort of doggedness.
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>> There aren't many over-population deniers,
>> though, and I can only wonder at that sort of doggedness.
Common sense again?
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"Common sense again?"
Possibly what is common-sense to me isn't common-sense to anyone who hasn't benefitted from a tertiary education in biology?
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>> Possibly what is common-sense to me isn't common-sense to anyone who hasn't benefitted from a
>> tertiary education in biology?
There's a biological angle to whether the world is, or is becoming, overpopulated. That's to do with provision of food etc. There are probably equally respected scientists on both sides of the debate.
No relevance whatever though to whether jams on the M4 are the fault of the Poles - which seemed to be Farage's subtext.
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why were the poles going to wales anyway?
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>> why were the poles going to wales anyway?
It's like the filling station queue........
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"why were the poles going to wales anyway?"
Like the carp and the swans, sheep are edible, aren't they?
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"Possibly what is common-sense to me isn't common-sense to anyone who hasn't benefitted from a tertiary education in biology?"
Would be more impressed if you were an actuary.
"The actual annual growth in the number of humans fell from its peak of 88.0 million in 1989, to a low of 73.9 million in 2003, after which it rose again to 75.2 million in 2006. Since then, annual growth has declined. In 2009, the human population increased by 74.6 million, which is projected to fall steadily to about 41 million per annum in 2050, at which time the population will have increased to about 9.2 billion. Each region of the globe has seen great reductions in growth rate in recent decades, though growth rates remain above 2% in some countries of the Middle East and Sub-Saharan Africa, and also in South Asia, Southeast Asia, and Latin America."
Most experts expect the world population to peak around the end of the century and then begin a slow decline.
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A fall in the growth rate is still growth. Then end of century is a long way off, the problems of overpopulation are evident already.
Look at the rates of consumption of finite resources.
Objectively, or as objective as I can be) humans are a plague upon the earth. It will all sort itself out of course, but that is unlikely to be to the benefit of the people who will be round at the time. It will also be too late by then for most other large species.
There are about three times as many people living in Tring as there are tigers in the world.
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>> There are about three times as many people living in Tring as there are tigers
>> in the world.
People are not hunting Tringiers.
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"There are about three times as many people living in Tring as there are tigers in the world."
No FM, of course, has the answer to everything and I believe he's on to a winner in moving from UK (population 262/km2) to Chile (population 22/km2).
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>>"By what metric have you decided it is over populated?"
>There are all sorts of 'deniers' -.......................
I take it from your waffle that you are unable to answer.
How unusual, a UKIP supporter relying on emotive garbage rather than facts.
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>> I read a couple of days ago, that Frank Field MP also recognises that the
>> country has become overpopulated. I think he's a Labour chappie, isn't he?
Frank Field was subject of today's profile ahead of six o'clock news on BBC R4:
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04v2b35
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>> The sort of comment you'd have heard from Hitler in the 30s.
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I now question both his sanity and his grip on reality, as well as his motives.
What a complete and utter berk.
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If you are someone who believes believe the country/world to be overpopulated exactly what sort of measure. Are you contemplating to correct it? Rounding up the surplus and killing them? The only effective and proved method of reducing the population, other than mass killing, is economic growth and increase in standard of living. It is this that we should a be concentrating on, helping the developing world to achieve western standards of prosperity.
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Given that the country is already overpopulated enough to delay Adolph Farage on is way to the Reichsparteitag, then he will have to remove them to recover the situation.
However, UKIP just had to backtrack and said they wouldn't do that when one of its new members said they would.
So I therefore assume there has been another policy change and Der Führer will be forcibly removing those who have previously immigrated to the UK.
A policy I think the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei called Lebensraum
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>> If you are someone who believes believe the country/world to be overpopulated exactly what sort
>> of measure. Are you contemplating to correct it? Rounding up the surplus and killing them?
>> The only effective and proved method of reducing the population, other than mass killing, is
>> economic growth and increase in standard of living. It is this that we should a
>> be concentrating on, helping the developing world to achieve western standards of prosperity.
Is that a reply to me, CG? It doesn't seem relevant to DP's post.
Proposals? It's as much as most countries can do to try and regulate their own population. As I said I think it will sort itself out, possibly in a very messy way that will be much more unpleasant than "rounding up the surplus and killing them".
To rollout "western standards of prosperity" to over 4 billion people in China, India, Indonesia, Nigeria, Pakistan, Brazil, Ethiopia, Philippines, Bangladesh etc. within the resources that are available doesn't sound too feasible to me.
What do you think will happen?
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>> The sort of comment you'd have heard from Hitler in the 30s.
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I thought he welcomed immigrant slave labour in order to build more autobahns?
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It seems logical to me that if a countries population grows for whatever reason (and our population has grown, partly as a result of immigration), but the infrastructure doesn't keep pace (in this case capacity on the M4), then you can expect said infrastructure to become busier. I can't see what the fuss is about?
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"Allegations of sexual harassment"
Shock horror ………. UKIP are as bad as the LibDems! Well, perhaps not quite?
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"Miss Bolter said she left feeling ‘very upset’ and complained to party officials, who began an investigation that led to Mr Bird’s suspension last night.
She also alleged there was a catalogue of racism and sexism in the party and said she was told by another candidate that her only job was ‘to look pretty and to get us votes’.
On another occasion a local party chairman allegedly told her that a woman with a young baby was a ‘f***ing Pole’ who ‘hasn’t worked out the benefits system and how to get a free pushchair’"
Well, she's clearly on a mission; sexual harassment, racisim and sexism all in one complaint. And this after her much heralded and celebrated move from Labour to UKIP a couple of months ago - probably doesn't seem such a good thing now.
It will be interesting to see both where this goes, and how it is handled until it gets there.
Still, apparently she's been replaced in the election by Neil Hamilton, so that's alright then.
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That Roger Bird is not the same 'Roger' who comes on here is it?
Roger Bird, eh? Well, it sounds like he was only trying to fulfill his name ...
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I believe he's Roger V. As he told us the authority/ward where he was standing in the local elections it was pretty straightforward to look up the list of candidates.
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>> I believe he's Roger V. As he told us the authority/ward where he was standing
>> in the local elections it was pretty straightforward to look up the list of candidates.
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Yes: Roger_V is me, not rogering anything these days :-(
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>> I believe he's Roger V. As he told us the authority/ward where he was standing
>> in the local elections it was pretty straightforward to look up the list of candidates.
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..............and will be standing again in May 2015!
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I should be so lucky!
It shows that UKIP have now become a mainstream party as we have our own, home grown, alleged, sex scandal. :-)
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>> "Miss Bolter said she left feeling ‘very upset’ and complained to party officials, who began
>> an investigation that led to Mr Bird’s suspension last night.
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>> She also alleged there was a catalogue of racism and sexism in the party and
>> said she was told by another candidate that her only job was ‘to look pretty
Please tell me that didn't come as a surprise to her......
I do slightly wonder if she was a plant; stoolpigeon as they say in the WW2 PoW accounts.
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"I do slightly wonder if she was a plant"
Or fantasist? Mr Bird should, however, have not allowed himself to be taken in.
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>> "I do slightly wonder if she was a plant"
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>> Or fantasist? Mr Bird should, however, have not allowed himself to be taken in.
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Is that a euphemism?
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"Is that a euphemism?"
It's a sort of George Formbyism ;-)
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>> It's a sort of George Formbyism ;-)
The bridegroom he is doing fine.......
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I think that Neil H. being parachuted in to replace the lady is a tactical error, personally speaking.
I DO believe he was expertly stitched up by Al Fayeed and the Times, (there is an investigative journalist's book on the subject) but for better or worse, in the public's eyes he is tainted.
I have met both Neil & Christine Hamilton, they are, even to lowly Party workers like me, absolutely friendly and charming with no "side" whatsoever. Both work hard for the party.
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It is the statistic that dare not speak its name, though eventually it must. It has huge ramifications for the civil and political life of this country, the health of the equity markets and, most immediately, the residential property market. So don't forget you read it here first: the population of the UK is presently somewhere between 77 and 80 million.
The 2001 census, already hopelessly out of date and easy to avoid for those who find filling in forms a trifle inelegant, numbered us at a little under 59 million. But as statistics go, that one's most definitely a damned lie.
tinyurl.com/bw5fprd
IF it is true.. then UKIP are correct.
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>> tinyurl.com/bw5fprd
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>> IF it is true.. then UKIP are correct.
That article is from 2007.
2014 estimate here cited as UN, about 64 million.
www.worldometers.info/world-population/population-by-country/
As it is probably census based it is likely to be understated, but a 13 to 16 million difference (plus 7 years growth) seems rather too much. There would have to be a lot of people 'off the books'.
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>> I have met both Neil & Christine Hamilton, they are, even to lowly Party workers
>> like me, absolutely friendly and charming with no "side" whatsoever. Both work hard for the
>> party.
Politically he is a pillock. UKIP makes habit of poaching all the pillocks and swivelled eyed loons of the tory party.
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>> I DO believe he was expertly stitched up by Al Fayeed and the Times,
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I DO believe that he quite naively stitched himself up.
Nobody made him take that case to court.
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>> Nobody made him take that case to court.
Just like the Jonathan Aitken.
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Perhaps he truly believed he had been libelled.
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Yes and money in brown paper envelopes is honesty earned and declared to HMRC. And pigs fly.
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>> Still, apparently she's been replaced in the election by Neil Hamilton, so that's alright then.
Not anymore. He's seen sense.
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Latest reports appear to suggest that Ms Bolter - or whatever she calls herself now, was an ambitious fantasist. Unfortunately, political parties are prone to pick up such people to satisfy their need for political correctness and to be seen to be 'inclusive'. Maybe she panicked when she realised that she had bitten off more than she could chew (no Formbyism there) - another Baroness Warsi?
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Is there a source for those 'latest reports'?
Or is this and the comparison with Sayeeda Warsi just another dog whistle message?
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"Is there a source for those latest reports? "
Torygraph for what it's worth.
www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4907/baroness-warsi-obsession
Never took to the gal, anyway.
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>> "Is there a source for those latest reports? "
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>> Torygraph for what it's worth.
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>> www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4907/baroness-warsi-obsession
That's a load of whataboutery from an American pro-Israel (and reportedly anti islam) think tank.
The stuff on Ms Bolter is here:
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/11285916/Natasha-Bolter-Oxford-University-deny-sex-scandal-Ukip-candidate-ever-attended.html
On that telling it looks like a mess where perhaps the story is about UKIP's amateurism in letting her get to where she was at conference so quickly. There are probably further chapters to emerge though.
EDIT: Including this from Guardian:
www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/dec/10/ukip-natasha-bolter-ruined-life-speaking-out-roger-bird
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"That's a load of whataboutery"
Maybe I should stick to the Graudiad, eh?
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I wonder if she used her Oxford degree in order to get her present job as a teacher?
Mind you, I'm not sure I could prove my claims to past academic achievements if challenged.
What would a piece of paper prove, even if I could find it?
Is thre a consultable list somewhere of my O-level results from 50 years ago?
In any case, certificates don't (or didn't) show grades. I only knew mine by word of mouth at school. Gentleman's honour not to exaggerate, I suppose.
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>> Mind you, I'm not sure I could prove my claims to past academic achievements if
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>> What would a piece of paper prove, even if I could find it?
My GCE/CSE certificates were long assumed lost. Found them in my Mother's document hoard a couple of months ago. Dropped out of a folder with loads of family history stuff* while we were looking for a missing share certificate. Dad, long before the memory problems that preceded his death, swore blind they'd been handed to me around 1980 when I first lived in a shared house with a room of my own and could look after valuables to insurance co type standards.
The Civil Service Commission saw those for O'levels in 1977 and accepted a letter signed by the Deputy Head as proof of my A levels the following year. Never need to mention them again until after leaving the Civil Service a year ago and applying for a few local clerical positions.
Turned out I'd forgotten one pass (physics) in main summer exam AND fact that I'd got a B for Geography in summer 77 after doing a one year course in lower 6th.
* The history stuff included a certificate given to my paternal Grandfather for acting as a Special Constable during the General Strike. It bears the facsimile signatures of the Home Secretary (W S Churchill) and the PM (Stanley Baldwin).
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Ho ho... front page story on today's comic - quite pro-UKIP as a rule - on the then young, up-and-coming Nigel Farage and his repeated efforts to get support from Enoch Powell for his brainchild UKIP, and even to get Powell to stand as a candidate in a couple of by-elections.
Herself thinks Powell was a racist. I'm not sure, although I think he probably was. But he certainly tried very hard to get votes from racist and xenophobic electors. Nigel Farage is playing the same game.
In a photographed letter from Farage to Powell, there's an "it's" solecism (ought to be "its"). Seen fairly often in this site actually... but it's easy to do it as a typo or in a moment of inattention. Done it myself once or twice.
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>> Herself thinks Powell was a racist. I'm not sure
A couple of letters in the comic today saying he wasn't. One said he was the only person who had spoken to an 'Afro-Caribbean waitress' serving champagne at some poncy do. They didn't hear what he said though... Another letter claimed he was taking the long view and feared mass immigration of Muslims from Pakistan and elsewhere.
I doubt actually that he was racist as the term is normally understood, being extremely bright. Whatever his reasons for seeing 'the Tiber foaming with much blood', that speech whipped up a huge wave of anti-black racism all over the country. A bit worrying at the time, especially for the black people living here, who were British and saw themselves as such.
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>> I doubt actually that he was racist as the term is normally understood, being extremely
>> bright.
Today anybody reasonably bright in public life will, unless in BNP or similar and whistling to their fellows, conceal any racist thoughts they might have. Intelligence as such though is no bar to ideas of racial superiority. Numerous professors advocated such views and their handmaiden of eugenics until well after 1968. In fact James Watson of elucidation of DNA fame has been in firing line in current century over his apparent expressing of such views and concomitant sexism.
On the sexist point it's reasonable to assert the key work of Rosalind Franklin in DNA's discovery was not acknowledged by either him or Crick.
If I'm charitable Powell might be judged a product of his time but I'm not sure I am charitable towards him.
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>> Numerous professors advocated such views and their handmaiden of eugenics until well after 1968. In fact James Watson of elucidation of DNA fame has been in firing line in current century over his apparent expressing of such views and concomitant sexism.
Numerous professors, I would gently remind you, are as thick as pig droppings even on their own subjects. Another characteristic of academic strivers is the tendency to hog credit and shove colleagues out of the limelight when possible.
Like Manatee, I was young and with wet-behind-the-ears idealistic leanings in those days. I certainly thought Powell execrable at the time. But I have mellowed with the years and become more charitable in general.
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>> >> Herself thinks Powell was a racist. I'm not sure
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>> I doubt actually that he was racist as the term is normally understood, being extremely
>> bright. Whatever his reasons for seeing 'the Tiber foaming with much blood', that speech whipped
>> up a huge wave of anti-black racism all over the country. A bit worrying at
>> the time, especially for the black people living here, who were British and saw themselves
>> as such.
Ill judged I think, more than anything. Sometimes a phrase, that is not quite appropriate, so appeals to people that they just have to get it in.
In a way he was right but inevitable as it was that there would be friction along racial lines with mass immigration, that sort of prophesy, and especially language, is going to make it worse not better.
I do not think he was not racist in the sense that he would treat an individual unfavourably because of his race. But he did, in so many words, defend the right of other people to be what is now deemable as racist and he opposed the Race Relations bill.
He said that while all should be equal before the law "this does not mean ...that the citizen should be denied his right to discriminate in the management of his own affairs between one fellow-citizen and another or that he should be subjected to an inquisition as to his reasons and motives for behaving in one lawful manner rather than another"
Seen through the lens of 2014 that is a disgusting argument, although reportedly 74% of the electorate agreed with him at the time.
It was undoubtedly an unwise one, and essentially unpragmatic; whilst it could of course be argued that it would confer on persons of any race the right to be "racist" and therefore to be fair and reflective of reality, it's pretty clear to me that the foaming Tiber would be virtually guaranteed.
I think his point of view was based in the belief that discord was inevitable, that any attempt to create a multi-racial society in Britain where whites were not an overwhelming majority was doomed to failure, and therefore the answer was to keep Britain white.
That has never looked like an option to me, but I was a teenage idealist at the time and a lot of new water has gone under the bridge since. Perhaps if I had been born in 1912 I would have thought differently.
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Its very difficult to judge words from such a different environment, especially from a politician where naturally his words would be designed to appeal to the target audience.
However, I do remember listening to him at the time and regarding him as racist and bigoted and disliking him quite intensely for those views.
Although I cannot remember what he said, or how he said it, after this much time, I must have thought so at the time by taking both his words and the environment at the time into account.
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>> Latest reports appear to suggest that Ms Bolter - or whatever she calls herself now,
>> was an ambitious fantasist.
Similar in the times today, bit of a lying fruitcake it seems.
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>> Ms Bolter - or whatever she calls herself
Photos can mislead, but the cast or expression of that lady's eye in the picture I've seen identifies her as a probable complete nightmare of a person from whom anyone sensible would immediately run a mile.
But beggars can't be choosers can they? Poor Farage, one can almost sympathise...
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"Are Ms Molter (sic) and Kirsty Allsopp one and the same - the resemblance is remarkable."
Have you informed The Eye?
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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30467897
Poofters and peasants, what?
Oh, and should we be surprised that he looks like a slightly less deformed Nick Griffin.
"UKIP said the phone call was made some time ago, when Mr Smith had been prescribed sedatives after an injury."
Truth serum does that, you know.
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>> Poofters and peasants, what?
Heh heh... what with that guy on truth serum and Ms Whassername, er, not on truth serum, poor Nigel Farage begins to look quite sensible and restrained.
Perhaps that's what these wild Kippers are for. It'll be interesting to see what they do to the UKIP vote come the election. 20 or 30 of those ruffians in the commons would actually usher in a dodgy new period in British politics. Hilarious maybe, but dodgy.
Labour needs to shape up. It's worryingly faffing and directionless at the moment, with fairly unattractive spokesfolk.
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All political parties have people as their raw material.
That raw material is further selected to just those wishing to be involved.
That doesn't change depending on your political allegiance. To have any thought that the people involved will be morally different depending on their political position is naive.
People are just people, and politicians simply an unattractive subset.
So, it is necessary to ignore politician's morality, or at least pin no hopes upon it, and judge them as a single group, not a number of individuals.
For me, UKIP are naive, incomplete, simplistic and worst of all they attract a very dodgy group of supporters which is biased in ways I don't like.
But the actually politicians involved in UKIP are no better nor worse, no more or less moral and decent, than Conservative, Labour or that other lot.
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>> But the actually politicians involved in UKIP are no better nor worse, no more or less moral and decent, than Conservative, Labour or that other lot.
Not sure that's really true FMR. Politicians are a strange species but they aren't all long-toothed cynical sharks. There's quite a lot of well-meaning bumbling in parliament, not always carefully calculated.
It isn't the moral depravity of politicians that worries me - it's just one of the qualifications after all - but the moral and intellectual depravity of the electorate. Capable of anything those carphounds.
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>>.................. that worries me ............. but the moral and intellectual depravity of the electorate
I am entirely in agreement.
But then, a group almost always gets the government, society and establishment that it deserves.
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>> a group almost always gets the government, society and establishment that it deserves.
As minority tribes in badly-governed African countries and dissidents in this one are always saying.
A lot of people seem to think the population and the establishment are necessarily at odds in this country. Actually they're the same thing near as dammit.
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He's now stood down:
www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/dec/14/ukip-kerry-smith-quits-election-candidate
In other news I read that on of the kippers big funders was threatening to cur off the cash because of Neil Hamilton's removal from the contest.
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So it seems after fiddling expenses, Nail Hamilton stepped down as potential candidate saying had he known this Smith guy was standing he wouldn't have. Nothing to do with the expenses. Then this UKIP candidate turns out to be homophobic, racist, etc. You've just got to love the candidate UKIP backs.
You couldn't make this up.
In his defence he was stressed and on strong pain killers :-) So the tendency to think homophobic things and be racist wasn't him then?
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>> In his defence he was stressed and on strong pain killers :-) So the tendency
>> to think homophobic things and be racist wasn't him then?
Strong pain killers - the new 'tired and emotional'?
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>> Strong pain killers - the new 'tired and emotional'?
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There ought to be warnings on the packet:
"Do not drive or operate machinery
May cause racist or homophobic outbursts"
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Wise after the event - but I admit I did not like the look of the Kerry chap - hows that for phobic of some sort.
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>> In other news I read that on of the kippers big funders was threatening to
>> cur off the cash because of Neil Hamilton's removal from the contest.
I also read that the other major UKIP funder was threatening to cut off cash unless he was removed from the contest.
Looks like this one had more cash.
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Sounds like I need to order more popcorn...
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Kerry wotsisname has been described as being on morphine painkilling medication at the time of his inappropriate remarks.
It has also been said that this can alter personality traits.
Does "In vino vertras" apply in that case?
Perhaps our resident medico could clarify - I know he has no love for UKIP, but his opinion would be welcomed, by me at least!
As an aside - who on earth keeps records of phone exchanges from two years ago?
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>> It has also been said that this can alter personality traits.
>> Does "In vino vertras" apply in that case?
'Morphine-based painkillers' don't make you stoned. They just make you constipated and if taken to excess, muzzy and confused.
So 'in vino veritas' doesn't really apply. The geezer made remarks like that because that's how he thinks and what he's like. Not subtle enough for UKIP, clumsy with the weasel words. Tsk.
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Codeine blocks me solid! So two or three days maximum, then at least two days on the loo!
Tramadol is OK for that element, it works well, + makes me happy - but again a couple of days maximum to avoid addiction possibilities, then two or three days with nowt:- painful & grumpy times!
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I hope you didn't see the biopic on Elvis Presley shown on one of the channels the other night Roger. Allegedly the King hadn't had a pony for months when he died although he carried on guzzling hamburgers and fried chicken. There were a lot of colour 3d graphics of his viscera to spell it all out. Would have really given you the horrors. Gave them to me anyway.
There were a lot of lying old swamp dogs as talking heads. Apparently Elvis never touched a drop of drink and never tried that mariyouwanna or none of that cocaine. He was a clean-living boy who died of natural causes from excess.
In Nashville and Memphis he never drank or tried any dope? Never got offered a toke or a toot by someone in the (usually damn good) band? Do me a bleeding favour...
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UKIP has worked for, and will accept party funding from the EU
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30486154
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>> UKIP has worked for, and will accept party funding from the EU
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So the bunch who tell us Lib/Lab/Con are all the same are a bunch of hypocrites.
Well, I would never have believed that....
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>> UKIP has worked for, and will accept party funding from the EU
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>> www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30486154
....but unlike the others we will use it to fund the fight for the UK's exit from the E.U.
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UKIP Debate - Volume 19 - R.P.