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So, let us assume that one of you, any one of you in here, is fired tomorrow. And the reason you're fired from your job is solely because you used foul language for no justifiable reason to a police officer in the street. And even though your boss didn’t object, and even though what you did was of no great consequence, you were fired because a group of people who were neither working with you or the officer concerned got on their soapboxes.
I assume that the sanctimonious amongst you would happily take your dismissal as a just and reasonable course of action?
The whole thing is AFR and typical of the UK today.
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I agree with you Mark on the whole, its typical multi factional backbiting that causes so much drag on the progress of the country.
On the other we are not Chief Whips of the ruling party, who should, lets face it, be aware of all his actions, and how they will be seen and used. That alone indicated he is a tit.
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>>That alone indicated he is a tit.
Oh without doubt. A total tit.
But the sanctimonious, hypocritical baying for his resignation is pathetic. Not that Labour is any worse than conservative. It’d be just the same the other way around.
Politician_A does something a bit daft, Politician_other_party_B is outraged and demands his dismissal.
I don't blame the politicians, because it works.
It is the mind boggling stupidity of the British electorate which annoys me.
p.s. didn't we decide that you wouldn't agree with anything I said in public unless you'd checked it was ok with me first?
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>> p.s. didn't we decide that you wouldn't agree with anything I said in public unless
>> you'd checked it was ok with me first?
Go stick your finger up your bum shorty.
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Even if he does resign, get the sack or whatever he will still be an MP with all the perks, expenses, and pension. So don't feel too sorry for him.
And his pals will give him another job when the dust settles.
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I don't give a toss for him one way or the other.
Its the behaviour of the masses that I think is so pitiful.
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>> I don't give a toss for him one way or the other.
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>> Its the behaviour of the masses that I think is so pitiful.
I think we agreed he is a tit, yes? The problem comes when you realise he is a part of the governing machine. Its a little unsettling to realise you are being governed by tits, the populace does not like that revealed to them over their wheatos and milk.
I know I know, we shouldn't be surprised.
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>>the populace does not like that revealed to them
Let’s look at the reasons the populace decides whether or not someone is fit to govern or participate in government.
They were rude to a policeman.
AHA! Clearly they have no understanding of economics, legislation, taxation, business process etc. etc.
They shagged the wrong person.
AHA! Clearly they have no idea about international relationships, no idea about infrastructure investment, and no idea of health care.
They put their children in private education.
AHA! Clearly they have no understanding of private sector dynamics, international treaties, economic interaction and so on and so forth.
The government, who are there to make the decisions we want concerning the wellbeing of the country are judged on whether or not they like being whipped, what school they went to, whether or not they were polite to a copper, who they sleep with etc. etc.
It really is pathetic and quite beyond the pale.
By and large this forum would seem to be populated by intelligent people, and look at the crap you can read in here. And then we have a nation of whinging, envious, irresponsible selfish whiners complaining that the politician they've got, after they hounded the previous incumbent out, is wrong and it must be true because they read it in the Sun, obviously close to scripture, unless they're talking about people from Liverpool, long known as saintly, in which case the Sun is ridiculous and is spending its time hacking (sic) the telephones of the innocent, driven by the personal hatred of Rupert Murdoch who is only on the planet to charge you more than you want to pay for watching soccer, i.e. nothing, and the mere fact that he charges anything instead of giving it to you free makes him a devil subject to revulsion and ridicule, secondly only to Simon Cowell in his single handed destruction of the moral fibre of western civilisation making it amazing that all these foreigners want to come here, work hours we won't, doing jobs we don’t want to do, and then daring to be paid for it when in fact that should be doing it for nothing whilst worshipping the local idle union driven "the world owes me a living" fat git who blames his fatness on McDonalds forcing him to swallow three times what he should actually eat rather than the 24 plates of chips he would normally swallow in his never ending quest for the final resting place of the terminal annoying.
I despair.
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Mark I think the only bit of this debacle that should land in a sacking offence is if the guy is shown to be lying through his teeth about what he said.
He's basically saying the copper is lying in his notebook.
Likewise if the copper is proved to be lying I doubt his time in the 'Force will last much longer.
If he (minister) had the gonads to say "Yes I called him XXX in a fit of bad temper and am truely sorry etc etc" then I think it would fizzle.
He's currently sticking to the "I never said what he says I said" line - this is riskier to his position than the act itself.
It akin to the people who lie to the courts to get off a minor traffic offence then weep as they are sent down for a year for perjury.
What I earlier said was 'modestly newsworthy' is becoming more so because someone is lying (or misheard the other...).
p.s. I think the only thing that a politician could call someone and not be able to climb back up from is if they dropped an 'N-bomb' or two.
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Lygonos, I agree with you. (and also with Zero) Clearly the guy is a tit.
However, even if he had stuck his hand up and apologised, the opposing politicians and the media would have clamoured for his resignation.
He is an idiot for doing it, an idiot for denying it, and an idiot for not whole heartedly apologising.
But, he doesn't annoy me half as much as the media readers of the UK who directly cause and support the behaviour of the media.
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>> However, even if he had stuck his hand up and apologised, the opposing politicians and
>> the media would have clamoured for his resignation.
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It takes a recording to pin a politician down. If you get it recorded, then you can get an apology like this one:
" Mr Brown speaks to reporters after meeting Mrs Duffy at her home.
PM: I've just been talking to Gillian. I'm mortified by what's happened. I've given her my sincere apologies.
Brown: "I made a mistake and am sorry"
I misunderstood what she said and she has accepted that there was a misunderstanding and she has accepted my apology.
If you like, I'm a penitent sinner. Sometimes you say things that you don't mean to say, sometimes you say things by mistake and sometimes when you say things you want to correct it very quickly.
So I wanted to come here and say to Gillian I was sorry, to say that I'd made a mistake, but to also say I understood the concerns that she was bringing to me and I had simply misunderstood some of the words that she used.
So I've made my apology. I've come here, it's been a chance to talk to Gillian about her family and about her relatives and about her own history and what she's done. But most of all, it's a chance for me to apologise and say sorry and say sometimes you do make mistakes and you use wrong words and once you've used that word and you've made a mistake you should withdraw it and say profound apologies and that's what I've done. "
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Is that why you left the country ?
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He is stateless, I think he is Rupert Murdoch.
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No. I've been leaving and returning for most of the last 25 years.
And I mostly like the UK, but the current fad for whinging about what everybody else is doing/got is depressing.
Why can't people just reasonably live & let live? Society is not just a matter of rights, its also a matter of responsibilities.
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Have you ever wondered though that most people moan on line in forums to vent their spleen, and then got on with their lives and that you're taking this just a little too seriously. My wife in in the Police and been in long enough to have seen and experienced the most improbable of idiots that you'd ever believe. There was a two minute discussion about Mitchell yesterday afternoon over a brew but that was it. No ranting or raving topic over. There has been substantially more discussion over the murder of the two Police Officers in Manchester so maybe Mark you need to get a sense of proportion on this and treat the forum (like any forum one assume - I only subscribe to one other) as a sort of dessication of opinion, people having a little rant over an innocuous subject and maybe (heaven forbid) having a bit of a laugh (That is still allowed in the UK you know)
Me ? I am substantially better off than I need to be, I work 'cos I actually want to and what I get from that pays for my petrol habit, and I genuinely feel that I am helping others in what I do. I really don't envy anyone, I can easily afford whatever I want or feel that I need - I care little or not about people from other countries coming here and doing work that I certainly wouldn't want to. I have a very good lifestyle - I can pick and choose where I holiday, I have expensive hobbies, I eat out when I want to (and not in a MacDs) so what is there to envy in Mr Mitchell ??
Kicking politicians in the nuts has been a national sport since time in memorial and is not a new thing, and when they make idiots of themselves I have every right to lambast them, just the same as any other citizen and indeed take a delight in doing so.
I actually hoped that this coalition would work - it hasn't and is an embarrassing failure - you don't need Murdoch's media to dress that up one way or another to know it. You clearly know Murdoch and that is obviously your privilege. I wouldn't invite him to dinner in my house and that is mine. I know nothing of Cowell and care little for him either, he's an astute business man and a PR whizz....do I have to love him though ??? Would I care or shed a tear if he croaked tomorrow ? - would there be a discussion at home about his untimely death ??
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R.P.,
"that most people moan on line in forums to vent their spleen"
"people having a little rant over an innocuous subject "
Umm, I thought I was participating with enthusiasm? Or does it not apply to my ranting and moaning?
May I suggest, R.P., that you get a sense of proportion, get your head out of your bum, and treat my ranting as you seem to believe I should treat those of others? Perhaps, dare I say, lighten up a little. You're allowed to have a laugh you know.
Not really sure about the relevance of your wealth, but nonetheless, my congratulations to you.
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I thought you were accusing me of wealth envy or somesuch ?
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>>I thought you were accusing me of wealth envy or somesuch ?
Well, I might have done, but I don't think so. However, if I did, it was in a rant, which I understand is what you expect and should accept on an internet forum.
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Fairy nuff. Don't ever accuse me of going to McDonalds though ! (Been tonight but only for a coffee)
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>>Been tonight but only for a coffee
Surely to God you don't see claiming to drink McDonalds coffee as raising you above someone who eats their burgers?
Their coffee is awful, whereas I rather enjoy a Big Mac.
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Only stopped there to meet a friend and use their free wi-fi - the coffee is pretty foul I have to agree. He bought one of their one pound burgers.....looked pretty nasty to me.
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>>.....looked pretty nasty to me.
Heathen.
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>> whereas I rather enjoy a Big Mac.
It's the secret ingredient that gives it flavour
tinyurl.com/c2rw33m - m.timesonline.com
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I suspect that if you took such things to heart you would never eat anything anywhere.
When I lived in Marrakech we would only ever eat from street markets. You still didn't know what you were eating, but at least you could see it cooked.
In a shop or restaurant, anything could be happening.
Mind you, that was 30 years ago, I'm sure its better now.
However, have you ever watched some drunken idiot in an Indian Restaurant who has just crawled out of a pub and is now abusing some long suffering member of staff, and wondered if the drunk fool will realise that he's abusing a waiter who will have access to the food for some time before its handed over.
I am always careful to be polite to ANYONE who has access to my food before I do.
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Whilst I have a great dislike of McDs I have to confess that last year, to my great shame, consumed one in an air conditioned premises in Marrakech. It was the kids you see - peer pressure.
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Oh well - let's 'fess up then. On the way to York last month to pick up a new guitar with Mrs RP (12 string Guild for those that know guitars) - we drove there and back only stopping to do the deal and stuff our faces in the Micky D on the A64 on the way into town. Awful. The last time I enjoyed one was on Times Square in '95 - the setting was just right.
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I like the coffee in Macdonalds, and the Big Breakfast with the knitted egg. They provide a very handy service for the travelling motorist to eat unhealthy stuff they don't get at home.
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I am on McDs cold turkey at the moment, doing the triple one day (McD breakkie, Mcd Lunch and McD Dinner) turned me into a full blown addict dying for my next "fix"
Its the sugar I think.
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I love McD & Burger King. I can live with KFC.
A decent lunch, when I was working in Slough, (C1975/6 ish) was two big Macs and two of their apple pies. Just enough for a snack.
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>> Have you ever wondered though that most people moan on line in forums to vent
>> their spleen, and then got on with their lives and that you're taking this just
>> a little too seriously.
>> I really don't envy anyone,
Question is, why when you saw a yob "I know a yob when I see one, regardless of class or wealth", you immediately thought "A prefect at Eton. Nuff said.".
To compound your prejudices, you added "Remember who owns the paper which published the allegation of a foul mouthed rant." What that has to with the story is completely beyond me.
A fair minded man, especially a man with a legally trained mind, should be able to think for a minute before letting his prejudices cloud his opinion.
Just think if instead of Eton, the reference was changed to religion Jewish/Muslim or colour Black/"Paki" etc.?
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Comparing my prejudice against educational privilege and all that entails with race and ethnicity - don't be silly !
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I'm genuinely puzzled as to why some people here respond to criticism of NI/Murdoch or Public Schools with an accusation of wealth envy. I may or may not covet the possessions of others but that's diddly squat to do with my views on Murdoch or the undue influence and social attitudes that seem to follow from an education at Eton/Harrow/Rugby etc.
Murdoch and his organs have had an undue influence on politics and policy in this country for all of my adult life. Not just the way in which NI/Sky etc have had the regulation of press and the ownership/monopolies regime tilted in their favour but a reach into other areas of social and economic policy. The current stuff over phone tapping and other criminal behaviour has perhaps begun a reversal. The Leveson report and the upcoming trials of Brooks et al may tell us some more back story including the influence NI was wielding in the met.
In thirty years as a Civil Servant I've met enough public school boys to conclude that a disdainful attitude to those not so privileged is widespread. Particularly prevalent amongst those called to the Bar, where at least until the last 20yrs behaviours in Chambers reinforced the outlooks of the house and dormitory. As the Bar is the 'finishing school' for the judiciary there is (or was) the same process there. I suspect RP's view may be forged in the same way.
Cameron seems to like to surround himself with these types too.
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>> criticism of NI/Murdoch or Public Schools >>
is completely irrational. It is a religion among socialists.
>> In thirty years as a Civil Servant I've met enough public school boys >>
So you see nothing wrong with tarring an entire population of public school educated people with your prejudices, based on your skewed sample of them.
As the cardiac surgeon says, in thirty years as a surgeon I've met enough people in the UK to know they are all riddled with heart disease. The undertaker responds, in thirty years as an undertaker I've met enough people in the UK to know they are all dead.
As I've said to you before Bromptonaut, go and visit some local public schools to either confirm or confound your prejudices. Lots of these schools have open days coming up next week.
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>> >> criticism of NI/Murdoch or Public Schools >>
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>> is completely irrational. It is a religion among socialists.
Are you seriously trying to tell me that Murdoch's empire is beyond rational criticism??
As to Public School chaps, by which I mean Etonians/Harrovians?Wykehamists etc I stand by my views based on people I've met and impressions of those like PM, the Chancellor and Boris Johnson. Osborne doesn't even bother to hide his 'flashman' side from his public persona.
There are plenty of fee paying schools round here including those run by the former Chief Inspector's outfit I could visit but not I think that many, Rugby aside, in the old 'public' mode..
My kids have however had an excellent education in the local Comp.
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>> The whole thing is AFR and typical of the UK today.
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What does AFR mean?
Is it, Accidental Fecal Release?
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I repeat: until there is a convincing objective account of what happened all comment is just urinating into the wind.
But there could be good high-level reasons for all the mystery. Not to do with national interest of course. More a matter of chess-moves-with-violence.
Wouldn't fancy being in Thrasher's shoes at the moment. But it may all die down.
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The vast majority of the population are working class people who work well in excess of 60 hours per week for incomes of less than £33000 pa. 20 days holiday per year, no sick pay and no privileges whatsoever.
That majority quite rightly expect people running the country to be paid far more than them and to have the perks that go with the job.
What they don't expect, is to have that type of person expect they can be 'off duty' at any time, show a serious lack of judgment, total lack of consideration or have that 'I'm entitled to' attitude that they so despise in others.
The salary and perks are justified but with that comes being on duty whenever in a public place as Harry and Kate have recently found.
Sit yourself in the seat of someone who had completed 45 hours at work in 3 days this week, did another 26 hours in the remaining two days, all driving an artic in Central London traffic making roadside deliveries. If he had been rude to a member of public, or a copper during that week and they had complained to his Boss, he would have been on a disciplinary pronto.
Are we to expect lower standards from a highly paid well educated politician?
For the record, I don't think he should be sacked, but I do continually question Cameron's judgments in the appointments he makes in the first place. He knows these people and should realise it isn't just the ability to do the job that can make or break a government.
......just the views of a Sun reader.
Pat
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>> The vast majority of the population are working class people who work well in excess of 60 hours per week no sick pay and no privileges whatsoever.
Umm no.
And I think we can consider the minister in question to going through the equivalent of a 'disciplinary' right now.
It's just that the investigating management team appears to include Joe Bloggs and the Media as well as his line manager.
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Try living in the real world Lygonos, it's always easier to deny what you don't want to believe.
Line managers don't exist in the Fens!
It's a curt 'there's the gate, don't come back'
Pat
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The vast majority of people are not Fenland lorry drivers Pat. It can take nearly a year to get rid of someone in most industries. (unless you clock your line manager with a right hander)
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The 'vast majority' I was talking about are the much maligned Sun readers frequently quoted in this thread.
There are many factories, packing plants and field workers in the Fens (and other areas) who work under these conditions.
Their so called employers are called gangmasters, or to use the posh word Employment Agencies.
Pat
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>> The 'vast majority' I was talking about are the much maligned Sun readers frequently quoted
>> in this thread.
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>> There are many factories, packing plants and field workers in the Fens (and other areas)
>> who work under these conditions.
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>> Their so called employers are called gangmasters, or to use the posh word Employment Agencies.
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>> Pat
They are mostly immigrants, a proportion of them illegal at that, and none of them read the sun.
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Imagine my guilt then. I had a Burger King in Milan last week. That was just so wrong. I'm thinking I might need councelling.
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SO!
Its "fess-up" time is it? You bad boy.
While you are in confession, you can tell us, Have you had a puff on a ciggy since you last "gave up"?
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>>Have you had a puff on a ciggy ...
No, I've managed not to but I do enjoy passive smoking when the opportunity arises. I place myself close to and downwind of friends who do spark up sometimes. Sort of nicotine based voyeurism I suppose.
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>I had a Burger King in Milan last week.
I once had a Big Mac while watching the pickpockets in Plazza del Duomo. Is there still a MickeyD there?
Haven't had a Big Mac in ages. I'm working at home tomorrow so I might just pop down to the drive through for some lunch.
Do they still 'SuperSize' a Big Mac Meal?
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>> Try living in the real world Lygonos
My job demands that I do, Pat.
My daily work involves contact with dozens of people from the 'Nobs' to the 'Great Unwashed.'
I'm fully versed with all the socio-economic, moral, educational and occupational issues across a broader spectrum of humanity than most.
My own background includes state and private education, 'working-class' jobs and 'white collar'.
When time allowed I was an active participant in a "working man's" pub darts team for several years.
I am small-'c' conservative in that rewards should reflect effort, ability, and hard-work. I also believe education should focus on an individual's ability to learn rather than how much money their parents have (although I have no problem with private education funnily enough having been a partial product of what it has to offer).
Healthcare provision in my opinion, should not depend upon an individual (or their family's) wealth - I'm not a fan of private health care mainly because I don't trust people to 'do the right thing' when the decision they make is clouded by the potential for a big pay day, but I am also pragmatic enough to know it has its place (especially for the provision of routine surgery), and also know that I probably underestimate other people's levels of integrity due to my skeptical science-based nature.
My interest is in communicating with people, not social classes and the divisions/barriers that brings.
Less than 50% of the UK population is employed, with the rest being children, OAPs, looking for work, in education, unemployable, etc.
The vast bulk of employed people work less than 50 hours per week. Almost all have access to sick pay (many only get SSP which I agree is a pittance). All have the 'privileges' known as employment law, although rights vary depending upon length of employment, etc.
I would agree that very many self-employed people work 60+ hours a week, and also have far less legal and financial protections.
I occasionally play golf but that doesn't make me a bad guy, does it? :-)
Running lorries in a macho environment that sounds more like the days of "The Sweeney" than 2012 does not constitute 'the real world'.
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I give up........!
Both you and Zero seem to think my world ends when I step out of a lorry after reading Dear Dierdre in the Sun.
>>When time allowed I was an active participant in a "working man's" pub darts team for several years.<<
I teach a modicum of First Aid in my DCPC course....does that make me more of an equal:)
Pat
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The other issue for this guy is that he's the disciplinarian who'll have to deal with backbenchers caught inflagrante. His credibility to deal with fibbers may be stretched if he's shown to have lied or played fast/loose with the actualite while defending this charge. There does seem to be some backsliding on whether he swore; now seems to admit he let rip in general but not at the copper.
The other thing is that in spite of everything over the last two years the back channels between Met officers and NI still seem to be open.
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>> The other issue for this guy is that he's the disciplinarian
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That is possibly why he reacted in the way he did.
Think of this scenario:
He possibly has gone through the gates on his bike numerous times before and has always been allowed through with no hesitation by the coppers at the gate.
Then one day he comes across an arrogant copper - the type of person we are bound to come across now and again - a jobsworth, a man with a cap and a badge, a man who knows he has power to order people about to do his bidding.
So he tells the public school twit (the Eton or Rugby or whatever much envied public school yob) to get off his bike, to stop riding on the "public road" reserved for the PM, and to use the pavement as all cyclists are supposed to do. The disciplinarian lets rip but has forgotten that the copper has more authority and will go running to his UNION and to the PUBLIC through he SUN. The copper has public support far greater than the disciplinarian could have imagined, especially after the shootings in Manchester.
Now had the incident happened a week before just after the publication of the Hills borough dossiers, when coppers were seen as liars, the disciplinarian would have got away with it.
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>> That is possibly why he reacted in the way he did.
If he is in charge of enforcing the rules maybe he should of followed them. Set the standard. Has the policeman gone to the federation ?
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>> Both you and Zero seem to think my world ends when I step out of a lorry after reading Dear Dierdre in the Sun.
I credit you with far more than that - just don't post as if the rest of us are cocooned idiots :-)
And I still hold by your statement that the 'vast' majority of the UK's population being 60+ hour/wk working class types who have no perks or privileges as being almost entirely wrong.
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no need to give up. Just because some people you know live in such a manner does't mean everyone or the majority do.
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>> My own background includes state and private education, 'working-class' jobs and 'white collar'.
Me too. A wide variety in background, experience and acquaintance is real 'privilege', far better than a straight social or career path. Of course I wouldn't claim to be as virtuous and useful as you Lygonos. But I am not easily fazed or mystified except by hostility.
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>> I assume that the sanctimonious amongst you would happily take your dismissal as a just
>> and reasonable course of action?
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But he's not going to lose his job. His real job is as an MP.
Being chief whip is just an extra, bestowed by the PM because he trusts his organising ability, tact, persuasiveness, or whatever it takes to be a chief whip. Getting involved in a fracas with police and making yourself a public debating point is perhaps not a quality most needed in a chief whip.
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I'd go lie down if I were you, that must have taken it out of you.
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Well, today, I've driven a car, ridden a bike and been for a walk. No one appeared to be in the least upset by any of these activities and at no point did I feel any of them raised or lowered the equilibrium of my own self-importance/insignificance balance.
I did though get stuck behind a couple of queues of traffic following farm vehicles while in the car. Could we perhaps have an unreasonable go at tractor drivers and the inconvenience they cause? Or should we perhaps live and let live if that's not too boring?
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>> I did though get stuck behind a couple of queues of traffic following farm vehicles
>> while in the car. Could we perhaps have an unreasonable go at tractor drivers and
>> the inconvenience they cause? Or should we perhaps live and let live if that's not
>> too boring?
Not sure that tractor drivers keep whining on about their rights and demanding tractor lanes.
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Oh FFS ! Put another record on please ! This is really boring now.
The Chief Whip is a tit. No question.
Some cyclists are tits. No question.
Quite a lot of people who are neither Chief Whips or cyclists are also tits. No question.
Next question?
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>> Or should we perhaps live and let live if that's not too boring?
Much too boring Humph. I mean no one minds being held up by an agricultural vehicle with very low gearing and a chassis not designed for rapid cornering. It's an agreeable part of the bucolic spectacle and an inevitable side-effect of food production needed in our country to keep people alive. I'd be happy to hang back in the general interest Humph.
But if a couple of young yokels on a tractor towing a big ugly metal trailer ran back from a steep intersection onto my motor when the missus was driving it making a big ugly gouge in its pristine silver snout and then drove off without so much as an apology, I'd say: 'OI! Tractor drivers! NO!!!' and follow up with some choice expletives. That's what I'd do Humph.
Or I would have done if I'd been there. Animals, they are. Animals.
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Obviously an ex-tractor fan then , Lud ?
Ted
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Deep breath....here goes....I agree with Lygonos.
Whatever anyone does or does not do, the end result should not be dictated by the feigned or real umbrage of The Press.
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If you think cyclists worthy of comment I was at the tip today getting rid of some spoil from my post and gate project. Now that is a war zone not helped by the ditherers who make a day out of it, abandon their cars at critical points then spend an eternity toing and froing, chatting and then valeting whist you sit there waiting patiently for a slot. Grrrrrrr. Tip Rage.
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>> If you think cyclists worthy of comment I was at the tip today getting rid
>> of some spoil from my post and gate project. Now that is a war zone
>> not helped by the ditherers who make a day out of it, abandon their cars
>> at critical points then spend an eternity toing and froing, chatting and then valeting whist
>> you sit there waiting patiently for a slot. Grrrrrrr. Tip Rage.
Tell me about it!! Nipped in en route the weekly shop to dump a dead HP printer. Stopped at entrance and interrogated as to what we needed to dump. Directed to point for electricals but totally obstructed by folks with garden etc waste. Even the basic idea that there were two through access/depart lanes and two for stopping/unloading was an intellectual step to far for 4*4man.
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>> intellectual step to far for 4*4man.
Keep them prejudices flowing guys :-)
Usually an old fart in a Hyundai or KIA doing the blocking at our local 'Civic Amenity Site'.
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>> Usually an old fart in a Hyundai or KIA doing the blocking at our local
>> 'Civic Amenity Site'.
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Oi, I haven't been there for weeks! :-)
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Ref: the whole slow idiot at dump stuff.
I am torn between two sides;
My natural inclination is to rage against anybody who doesn't do every single thing in the most obvious, most efficient and most effective manner - commonly referred to as "my way".
On the other hand, on those occasions where I lie back and let it wash over me and just see it as all part of a relaxed process I have such a pleasant time.
I am naturally an uptight and stroppy person. The guy on this planet that I have most time for is soo laid back he's horizontal. He never gets annoyed about anything.
He predictably spends a reasonable amount of time laughing at me - and ridiculing me. And telling unfair stories about me. Often to my wife. But that’s ok as she seem to prefer him anyway. In fact the one thing that my wife and his wife agree upon is that it’s me who leads him astray. But I digress.
I strive to adopt his approach, because he quite clearly has a more pleasant time of it than I do.
And I have to say that over the last couple of years it has started to work.
And the more I try to enjoy the process, and ignore the efficiency, then I have to say that the more fun it all is.
And I enjoy the trips down the dump. I enjoy leaning against the car waiting and laughing with my daughters about the antics of others. And I try desperately to ensure that none of my time driven behaviour is transferred to them.
I fundamentally believe that "live and let live" and "who cares how long it takes" are standards that we should live by.
It’s tough though.
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Or as I usually tell myself, if I let people wind me up then the only person who suffers is me...
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>> And I enjoy the trips down the dump. I enjoy leaning against the car waiting
>> and laughing with my daughters about the antics of others.
Watching the antics of people loading a huge amount of kit into a tiny car at IKEA can be entertaining too.
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Recently my eldest came up with the following...
Child: Papa, (they're spanish speaking) you know when other drivers blow their horns?
Deluded parent: Yes....
Child: Well, they only ever do that when they're behind, don't they?
Deluded parent: Usually, yes....
Child: So the person in front never blows their horns?
Deluded parent: Well, not usually, no.
Child: So only the loser blows their horn in traffic?
Deluded parent: Ummm....
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>I am naturally an uptight and stroppy person.
You disguise it very well.
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>>You disguise it very well.
You're not the first to say that.
Oh no, hold on a moment, yes you are.
It's just that people who think they know everything are very annoying for those of us that actually do.
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>> It's just that people who think they know everything are very annoying for those of
>> us that actually do.
Must be why you are not annoyed these days.
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I see this boring saga is still headline news. What a load of cobblers.
Important man with high opinion of himself gets the hump when told what to do...and.. gets lippy with police...so what? It happens every day of every week..it's par for the course when you have an independent police force. They ignored him, stood their ground, he looked a dick, what more is there to say?
Last edited by: Westpig on Mon 24 Sep 12 at 09:07
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>> Important man with high opinion of himself gets the hump when told what to do...and..
>> gets lippy with police...so what? It happens every day of every week..it's par for the
>> course when you have an independent police force. They ignored him, stood their ground, he
>> looked a dick, what more is there to say?
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The copper and his Union want their revenge - they want him to say he lied and/or resign.
The MP can always claim that his account is correct and that he must have been misheard - remember Mandelson:
"So Channel 4 News political correspondent Cathy Newman, in Brighton for the Labour party conference, put the allegation to him -
"Did you use a four-letter word in conversation with Rebekah Wade last night?"
"What was the four-letter word?" he replied.
"Well, I can't say it on television - but you said it in a phone call."
"I'm sorry. I don't know what you mean." "
Mandelson told the Leveson inquiry the the "c" word he used was not what was misheard:
""To turn the Sun into some Tory fanzine on the flick of a coin between Rebekah Brooks and James Murdoch – 'Shall we do it today? Shall we wait another day?' – it was insulting for Sun readers. My paramount concern was for government. That's why I called them chumps. I thought they were making fools of themselves."
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>> The copper and his Union want their revenge - they want him to say he
>> lied and/or resign.
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>> The MP can always claim that his account is correct and that he must have
>> been misheard - remember Mandelson:
While I can snigger at the chump / cn*t 'confusion' the word pleb isn't an everyday epithet.
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>> While I can snigger at the chump / cn*t 'confusion' the word pleb isn't an
>> everyday epithet.
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It is if you went to Eton/Rugby/woteva.
;-)
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He can always say he was misheard when what he said was "plod" or "lib" or "lab" or "plank" or "pig" or "flab" or .....
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>> I am always in step.
Yes, Goose Step. How are your plans for the final solution going Roger?
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Chief whip swears at police. - Zero
